Charter Times

nkoenig · September 15th, 2004, 20:27

Just wondering if anybody knew off hand what the min. for charter jobs is? Also compared to airlines besides money what is the downfall to doing charter work?

darrenf · September 15th, 2004, 20:58

This sums it up pretty well.

Good the bad and the Ugly

nkoenig · September 15th, 2004, 21:24

Thnaks....

Answered alot of questions.

Indigo · September 15th, 2004, 21:58

LOL, basically pretty good info, but a little dated. They mentioned 1998.

darrenf · September 15th, 2004, 22:32

Dated? Seems accurate to me, even though it is 6 years old, it still fits. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

nkoenig · September 16th, 2004, 07:42

Have any of you guys had any regrets about entering this industry?? (aviation) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img]

Indigo · September 16th, 2004, 10:53

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Dated?

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I was referring to parts of the article like this:

"With the numbers of pilots joining the major airlines on the increase - nearly 13,000 expected in 1998 alone " [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

It's not 1998 any more. The actual job is still pretty much the same with the addition of some "security" measures. I don't think this segment of aviation was hit nearly as hard as the airlines. The company I work for is growing.

mtsu_av8er · September 16th, 2004, 16:55

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Have any of you guys had any regrets about entering this industry?? (aviation) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img]

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Not I!!

darrenf · September 16th, 2004, 19:15

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Dated?

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I was referring to parts of the article like this:

"With the numbers of pilots joining the major airlines on the increase - nearly 13,000 expected in 1998 alone " [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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Ahh, Yeah, I wish that still "fit". [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

tonyw · September 16th, 2004, 20:34

Hey, if you listen to Kit Darby......

blee256 · September 16th, 2004, 23:53

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Have any of you guys had any regrets about entering this industry?? (aviation) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img]

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I If I knew a couple years ago what I know now, I just dont know if I would do it all over again. With the industry in the shape that its in, you just dont know whats going to happen. I am not just talking about US airways and the possibility of United following the same footsteps ( which I doubt, I think United will pull thru) Pilot morale seems to be pretty low. Regionals are doing a lot of hiring, but it seems like the way regionals are getting contracts are just undercutting each other. which in turn would be lower pay for all, not just pilots.

the general public doesnt understand the ##### we have to go thru to make it to the left seat of a legacy airline. Or even just the right seat of a beech 1900. the cost of training, the poor pay of flight instructing/banner towing/jump pilots/crop dusting. Not to mention how dangerous crop dusting and banner towing is. and then making 18K first year at a regional. living in a crash pad that is never clean, and sometimes coming in to sleep to see some stranger in your bed. sitting reserves for half a year to a year.ouh-leese
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paying 25K to 100K in flight training and not break the 25,000 dollar mark until your third or fourth year (after training) at the earliest is a joke.

most of the times on this message board people somewhat sugarcoat things. most new pilots have this idea that its easy. They think once they solo, it will be easier, or once they pass the Instrument rating or the oral portion of your CFI, then getting that job, then instructing for a year and half, almost getting killed by your students every other week (ok, its not really that bad [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]) and then its trying to get an interview only to be told you need more multi time. then once you get the interview you gotta study your arse off. and once you get the job offer and you wipe your brow. and say "i made it" then you spend a week in systems class and say, you gotta be kidding me! I dont know crap, I dont think I will pass"

right? didnt we all think it was gonna get easier? I did, but it never does. but then again thats what makes this pursuit of a dream just a lil bit sweeter. And as i write this and I read over what I wrote I whole heartedly agree, but would i give this up do be some desk jockey. not in a million years. so do i regret this? nah..... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/insane.gif[/img] I just needed to blow of some steam

-brian

mtsu_av8er · September 17th, 2004, 00:01

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Have any of you guys had any regrets about entering this industry?? (aviation) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img]

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I If I knew a couple years ago what I know now, I just dont know if I would do it all over again.

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I would have. No changes. I'm enjoying every bit of it.

I've seen much worse....

Mr_Creepy · September 17th, 2004, 08:01

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Have any of you guys had any regrets about entering this industry?? (aviation) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img]

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I would have. No changes. I'm enjoying every bit of it.

I've seen much worse....

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And what airline are you flying for Lloyd? I thought you were a CFI right now.

I agree with his post. I don't regret doing it but I would not do it again. I empathize with the back-biting, cost cutting description of regionals (and their pilots also.)

The days of 6 figure pilots retiring as millionaires are dwindling. It is my fervent hope and prayer that sense comes to the industry and my heart yearns for the "good ole days" return, but my brain tells me that it's over. It's not going to get better.

I miss the way it was, but do not want to go back to the way it is.

Another reflection, it was fun, but if I had spent the same enthusiam and energy on another field, insurance for example, I would own a corporate jet by now.

I've been in many fields, and I've never seen anything like the competition for jobs in the pilot industry.

fsuflyer · September 17th, 2004, 08:48

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Another reflection, it was fun, but if I had spent the same enthusiam and energy on another field, insurance for example, I would own a corporate jet by now.

[/ QUOTE ]

I believe that putting down the compensation of pilot relative to another field is BS. Becoming an airline pilot has always been a dream of children. And when those children someday make it as a pilot, it will be the sweetest thing ever. On the other hand, have you ever heard a child mention he would love to handle insurance claims one day? Please. If you share the same passion as much as most on this board, GO FOR IT. If not, maybe you may like to look somewhere else, as training/becoming a pilot could be just as time consuming as becoming a physician, NO JOKE.

P.S. John--the insurance thing was not directed towards you, i could fill in almost any career there and it would hold just as true (ie accountant, software engineer,etc)

flyover · September 17th, 2004, 08:54

Great post from a very current, in the trenches perspective. Some thoughts:

[ QUOTE ]
With the industry in the shape that its in, you just dont know whats going to happen.

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually I think we've got a pretty good idea. The industry is going to shed it's prederegulation baggage. This is a shakeout that had to happen. When we emerge on the other side in just a few years, things will be leaner and meaner, but profitable companies make for better careers.

[ QUOTE ]
the general public doesnt understand the ##### we have to go thru to make it to the left seat of a legacy airline. Or even just the right seat of a beech 1900.

[/ QUOTE ]

True, but if you want to do something in life, what other people think doesn't matter. The guys I've known who really enjoy(ed) their careers couldn't care less what other people think of their profession.

[ QUOTE ]
but would i give this up do be some desk jockey. not in a million years. so do i regret this? nah..... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/insane.gif[/img] I just needed to blow of some steam

-brian

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That's what it boils down to. Anyone pursuing this career because they had an uncle who flew for a legacy who always had a lot of time off and lived in a big house had better look somewhere else. If you want to fly airplanes for a living, though, you've got to go where the airplanes are.

This whole meltdown/shakeout is something I've been expecting for quite awhile. It is necessary and will finally put the industry on solid footing for the future. That doesn't mean it's a cakewalk ahead, but it isn't the end of the world for commercial aviation or pilot careers either.

tonyw · September 17th, 2004, 09:45

It's not all gloom and doom, though.

Look at Southwest. They pay their pilots pretty well. Last time I looked at their salary scales, their senior captains made MORE than the senior captains on 737s at the legacy carriers. Throw in a little profit sharing and stock, and it looks even better.

And cargo ain't too shabby, either. FedEx and UPS pay their pilots well and they're making money.

While it looks bad if you only look at the legacy carriers, with them putting thousands of people on the streets and cutting pay and pensions, there are bright spots in the industry.

flyover · September 17th, 2004, 09:46

I agree. It emphasizes the need for entrants into the industry to be very educated as to what is going on. There are some career opportunities out there right now, but it's a tough poker game right now. Your reads need to be right on.

Indigo · September 17th, 2004, 11:46

[ QUOTE ]
Have any of you guys had any regrets about entering this industry?? (aviation) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]
No, but I took a non-traditional route and was never interested in the airlines.

Look at it this way. No matter what field you choose, you can never predict what will happen to that industry or to your life in general during the span of your career. Therefore, you might as well pick something that interests you but be prepared to be flexible.

kellwolf · September 17th, 2004, 12:09

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And what airline are you flying for Lloyd? I thought you were a CFI right now.

[/ QUOTE ]

I thought CFI was an essential part of the AVIATION industry. Can't have airline pilots without them, can we?

E_Dawg · September 17th, 2004, 13:30

Actually flight instructing is in no way part of the aviation industry. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/spin2.gif[/img]

Doug Taylor · September 17th, 2004, 13:46

[ QUOTE ]
Just wondering if anybody knew off hand what the min. for charter jobs is? Also compared to airlines besides money what is the downfall to doing charter work?

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, since most folks chose the post to make their soapbox venue for their 'issue du jour', I'll answer it.

The minimums for a charter job are going to reflect what the part-135 unscheduled IFR PIC requirements under the FARS. Something in the ball park of 1200 hours, so much cross country, etc.

Even if the weather is VMC, please correct me if I'm wrong, you've got certain distance limits from the base airport unless you meet the IFR PIC part-135 requirements.

Charter flying, from what I've seen is more of an 'addendum' to CFI work. Some FBO's train pilots in one department and conduct 'on demand' charters in another. The CFI at the FBO where I took my private instruction at both instructed and did very occasional charter flights from Tulare up to UC Davis.

Most of the charter work nowadays is probably on-demand freight forwarding or shuttling people from oddball airport to oddball airports (like my CFI). But the creme de la creme of that side of the charter world is probably on demand shuttling biz execs, celebs and VIPs from point a to point b.

Downfalls? Perhaps a lower availability of jobs? Harder to find those jobs unless you're well networked and potentially long periods of time getting little flight time and/or compensation depending on your working conditions.

I've never done any charter work, so that's my best approximation of what the answer might be.

E_Dawg · September 17th, 2004, 13:59

Another downfall is the fact that when you do meet pt 135 ifr mins you probably have enough to get on at a regional or at least send apps out. (AE is 1000/100 now?)

Also it's on demand which means weird schedules and potential dry spells.

jonnyb · September 17th, 2004, 14:29

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Also it's on demand which means weird schedules and potential dry spells.

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Depending on what the job is, most likely it's still a hell of a lot better than working for slave wages flying for a crumby regional like AE. It really depends on where you fly charter. In Southern Ca., there are many many options. New York, Dallas, Atlanta, Chicago etc. I thank God everyday, I turned down the interview at SkyWest. But, that's just me. I certainly don't criticize those who go to the regionals, it just wasn't what I wanted to do.

Doug Taylor · September 17th, 2004, 14:41

It's all about choices.

A guy I know who lives in the San Joaquin absolutely loves crop dusting. Works a partial season, flies around a PT-6 Turbine Air Tractor and has the time of his life.

Discover what you love to do, marry your best friend and enjoy life. And when you don't love doing what you do, do something else.

jonnyb · September 17th, 2004, 15:37

Pretty much says it all. Nicely put Doug and very good advice. Flyover said it good as well. Something to the effect of, who cares what others think, do what you want to do. You only live once! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

September 15th, 2004, 20:27	#1
nkoenig Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 428	Charter Times Just wondering if anybody knew off hand what the min. for charter jobs is? Also compared to airlines besides money what is the downfall to doing charter work?

September 15th, 2004, 20:58	#2
darrenf Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Atlantic City, NJ Posts: 3,639	Re: Charter Times This sums it up pretty well. Good the bad and the Ugly

September 15th, 2004, 21:24	#3
nkoenig Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 428	Re: Charter Times Thnaks.... Answered alot of questions.

September 15th, 2004, 21:58	#4
Indigo Newbie Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 28	Re: Charter Times LOL, basically pretty good info, but a little dated. They mentioned 1998.

September 15th, 2004, 22:32	#5
darrenf Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Atlantic City, NJ Posts: 3,639	Re: Charter Times Dated? Seems accurate to me, even though it is 6 years old, it still fits. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

September 16th, 2004, 07:42	#6
nkoenig Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 428	Re: Charter Times Have any of you guys had any regrets about entering this industry?? (aviation) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img]

September 16th, 2004, 10:53	#7
Indigo Newbie Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 28	Re: Charter Times [ QUOTE ] Dated? [/ QUOTE ] I was referring to parts of the article like this: "With the numbers of pilots joining the major airlines on the increase - nearly 13,000 expected in 1998 alone " [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] It's not 1998 any more. The actual job is still pretty much the same with the addition of some "security" measures. I don't think this segment of aviation was hit nearly as hard as the airlines. The company I work for is growing.

September 16th, 2004, 16:55	#8
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,505	Re: Charter Times [ QUOTE ] Have any of you guys had any regrets about entering this industry?? (aviation) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Not I!!

September 16th, 2004, 19:15	#9
darrenf Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Atlantic City, NJ Posts: 3,639	Re: Charter Times [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Dated? [/ QUOTE ] I was referring to parts of the article like this: "With the numbers of pilots joining the major airlines on the increase - nearly 13,000 expected in 1998 alone " [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Ahh, Yeah, I wish that still "fit". [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

September 16th, 2004, 20:34	#10
tonyw Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 15,466	Re: Charter Times Hey, if you listen to Kit Darby......

September 16th, 2004, 23:53	#11
blee256 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: lower canada Posts: 1,614	Re: Charter Times [ QUOTE ] Have any of you guys had any regrets about entering this industry?? (aviation) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I If I knew a couple years ago what I know now, I just dont know if I would do it all over again. With the industry in the shape that its in, you just dont know whats going to happen. I am not just talking about US airways and the possibility of United following the same footsteps ( which I doubt, I think United will pull thru) Pilot morale seems to be pretty low. Regionals are doing a lot of hiring, but it seems like the way regionals are getting contracts are just undercutting each other. which in turn would be lower pay for all, not just pilots. the general public doesnt understand the ##### we have to go thru to make it to the left seat of a legacy airline. Or even just the right seat of a beech 1900. the cost of training, the poor pay of flight instructing/banner towing/jump pilots/crop dusting. Not to mention how dangerous crop dusting and banner towing is. and then making 18K first year at a regional. living in a crash pad that is never clean, and sometimes coming in to sleep to see some stranger in your bed. sitting reserves for half a year to a year.ouh-leese ] paying 25K to 100K in flight training and not break the 25,000 dollar mark until your third or fourth year (after training) at the earliest is a joke. most of the times on this message board people somewhat sugarcoat things. most new pilots have this idea that its easy. They think once they solo, it will be easier, or once they pass the Instrument rating or the oral portion of your CFI, then getting that job, then instructing for a year and half, almost getting killed by your students every other week (ok, its not really that bad [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]) and then its trying to get an interview only to be told you need more multi time. then once you get the interview you gotta study your arse off. and once you get the job offer and you wipe your brow. and say "i made it" then you spend a week in systems class and say, you gotta be kidding me! I dont know crap, I dont think I will pass" right? didnt we all think it was gonna get easier? I did, but it never does. but then again thats what makes this pursuit of a dream just a lil bit sweeter. And as i write this and I read over what I wrote I whole heartedly agree, but would i give this up do be some desk jockey. not in a million years. so do i regret this? nah..... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/insane.gif[/img] I just needed to blow of some steam -brian

September 17th, 2004, 00:01	#12
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,505	Re: Charter Times [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Have any of you guys had any regrets about entering this industry?? (aviation) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I If I knew a couple years ago what I know now, I just dont know if I would do it all over again. [/ QUOTE ] I would have. No changes. I'm enjoying every bit of it. I've seen much worse....

September 17th, 2004, 08:01	#13
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: Charter Times [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Have any of you guys had any regrets about entering this industry?? (aviation) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I would have. No changes. I'm enjoying every bit of it. I've seen much worse.... [/ QUOTE ] And what airline are you flying for Lloyd? I thought you were a CFI right now. I agree with his post. I don't regret doing it but I would not do it again. I empathize with the back-biting, cost cutting description of regionals (and their pilots also.) The days of 6 figure pilots retiring as millionaires are dwindling. It is my fervent hope and prayer that sense comes to the industry and my heart yearns for the "good ole days" return, but my brain tells me that it's over. It's not going to get better. I miss the way it was, but do not want to go back to the way it is. Another reflection, it was fun, but if I had spent the same enthusiam and energy on another field, insurance for example, I would own a corporate jet by now. I've been in many fields, and I've never seen anything like the competition for jobs in the pilot industry.

September 17th, 2004, 08:48	#14
fsuflyer Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: TLH Posts: 105	Re: Charter Times [ QUOTE ] Another reflection, it was fun, but if I had spent the same enthusiam and energy on another field, insurance for example, I would own a corporate jet by now. [/ QUOTE ] I believe that putting down the compensation of pilot relative to another field is BS. Becoming an airline pilot has always been a dream of children. And when those children someday make it as a pilot, it will be the sweetest thing ever. On the other hand, have you ever heard a child mention he would love to handle insurance claims one day? Please. If you share the same passion as much as most on this board, GO FOR IT. If not, maybe you may like to look somewhere else, as training/becoming a pilot could be just as time consuming as becoming a physician, NO JOKE. P.S. John--the insurance thing was not directed towards you, i could fill in almost any career there and it would hold just as true (ie accountant, software engineer,etc)

September 17th, 2004, 08:54	#15
flyover Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,389	Re: Charter Times Great post from a very current, in the trenches perspective. Some thoughts: [ QUOTE ] With the industry in the shape that its in, you just dont know whats going to happen. [/ QUOTE ] Actually I think we've got a pretty good idea. The industry is going to shed it's prederegulation baggage. This is a shakeout that had to happen. When we emerge on the other side in just a few years, things will be leaner and meaner, but profitable companies make for better careers. [ QUOTE ] the general public doesnt understand the ##### we have to go thru to make it to the left seat of a legacy airline. Or even just the right seat of a beech 1900. [/ QUOTE ] True, but if you want to do something in life, what other people think doesn't matter. The guys I've known who really enjoy(ed) their careers couldn't care less what other people think of their profession. [ QUOTE ] but would i give this up do be some desk jockey. not in a million years. so do i regret this? nah..... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/insane.gif[/img] I just needed to blow of some steam -brian [/ QUOTE ] That's what it boils down to. Anyone pursuing this career because they had an uncle who flew for a legacy who always had a lot of time off and lived in a big house had better look somewhere else. If you want to fly airplanes for a living, though, you've got to go where the airplanes are. This whole meltdown/shakeout is something I've been expecting for quite awhile. It is necessary and will finally put the industry on solid footing for the future. That doesn't mean it's a cakewalk ahead, but it isn't the end of the world for commercial aviation or pilot careers either.

September 17th, 2004, 09:45	#16
tonyw Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 15,466	Re: Charter Times It's not all gloom and doom, though. Look at Southwest. They pay their pilots pretty well. Last time I looked at their salary scales, their senior captains made MORE than the senior captains on 737s at the legacy carriers. Throw in a little profit sharing and stock, and it looks even better. And cargo ain't too shabby, either. FedEx and UPS pay their pilots well and they're making money. While it looks bad if you only look at the legacy carriers, with them putting thousands of people on the streets and cutting pay and pensions, there are bright spots in the industry.

September 17th, 2004, 09:46	#17
flyover Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,389	Re: Charter Times I agree. It emphasizes the need for entrants into the industry to be very educated as to what is going on. There are some career opportunities out there right now, but it's a tough poker game right now. Your reads need to be right on.

September 17th, 2004, 11:46	#18
Indigo Newbie Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 28	No Regrets [ QUOTE ] Have any of you guys had any regrets about entering this industry?? (aviation) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] No, but I took a non-traditional route and was never interested in the airlines. Look at it this way. No matter what field you choose, you can never predict what will happen to that industry or to your life in general during the span of your career. Therefore, you might as well pick something that interests you but be prepared to be flexible.

September 17th, 2004, 12:09	#19
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,687	Re: Charter Times [ QUOTE ] And what airline are you flying for Lloyd? I thought you were a CFI right now. [/ QUOTE ] I thought CFI was an essential part of the AVIATION industry. Can't have airline pilots without them, can we?

September 17th, 2004, 13:30	#20
E_Dawg Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: chicago Posts: 4,171	Re: Charter Times Actually flight instructing is in no way part of the aviation industry. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/spin2.gif[/img]

September 17th, 2004, 13:46	#21
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,589 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Charter Times [ QUOTE ] Just wondering if anybody knew off hand what the min. for charter jobs is? Also compared to airlines besides money what is the downfall to doing charter work? [/ QUOTE ] Well, since most folks chose the post to make their soapbox venue for their 'issue du jour', I'll answer it. The minimums for a charter job are going to reflect what the part-135 unscheduled IFR PIC requirements under the FARS. Something in the ball park of 1200 hours, so much cross country, etc. Even if the weather is VMC, please correct me if I'm wrong, you've got certain distance limits from the base airport unless you meet the IFR PIC part-135 requirements. Charter flying, from what I've seen is more of an 'addendum' to CFI work. Some FBO's train pilots in one department and conduct 'on demand' charters in another. The CFI at the FBO where I took my private instruction at both instructed and did very occasional charter flights from Tulare up to UC Davis. Most of the charter work nowadays is probably on-demand freight forwarding or shuttling people from oddball airport to oddball airports (like my CFI). But the creme de la creme of that side of the charter world is probably on demand shuttling biz execs, celebs and VIPs from point a to point b. Downfalls? Perhaps a lower availability of jobs? Harder to find those jobs unless you're well networked and potentially long periods of time getting little flight time and/or compensation depending on your working conditions. I've never done any charter work, so that's my best approximation of what the answer might be.

September 17th, 2004, 13:59	#22
E_Dawg Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: chicago Posts: 4,171	Re: Charter Times Another downfall is the fact that when you do meet pt 135 ifr mins you probably have enough to get on at a regional or at least send apps out. (AE is 1000/100 now?) Also it's on demand which means weird schedules and potential dry spells.

September 17th, 2004, 14:29	#23
jonnyb Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: So. California Posts: 1,304	Re: Charter Times [ QUOTE ] Also it's on demand which means weird schedules and potential dry spells. [/ QUOTE ] Depending on what the job is, most likely it's still a hell of a lot better than working for slave wages flying for a crumby regional like AE. It really depends on where you fly charter. In Southern Ca., there are many many options. New York, Dallas, Atlanta, Chicago etc. I thank God everyday, I turned down the interview at SkyWest. But, that's just me. I certainly don't criticize those who go to the regionals, it just wasn't what I wanted to do.

September 17th, 2004, 14:41	#24
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,589 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Charter Times It's all about choices. A guy I know who lives in the San Joaquin absolutely loves crop dusting. Works a partial season, flies around a PT-6 Turbine Air Tractor and has the time of his life. Discover what you love to do, marry your best friend and enjoy life. And when you don't love doing what you do, do something else.

September 17th, 2004, 15:37	#25
jonnyb Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: So. California Posts: 1,304	Re: Charter Times Pretty much says it all. Nicely put Doug and very good advice. Flyover said it good as well. Something to the effect of, who cares what others think, do what you want to do. You only live once! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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