Proposed GA security law - "outrageous" - Page 2

Seggy · September 13th, 2004, 19:28

This morons address is

Congressman Anthony D. Weiner
1122 Longworth HOB
Washington DC 20515
(202) 225-6616

or

80-02 Kew Gardens Rd.
Suite 5000
Kew Gardens, NY 11415
(718) 520-9001

or

1800 Sheepshead Bay Road
Brooklyn, NY 11235
(718) 743-0441

or

90-16 Rockaway Beach Blvd.
Rockaway, NY 11693
(718) 318-9255

email weiner@mail.house.gov

I am going to give him a call at his DC office.

The even better news is that I have two Aunts, one Grandmother, one Uncle and two cousins that live in his district. He will be getting a call from each one of them in the near future as well [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Doug Taylor · September 13th, 2004, 19:31

Oh Geez. Rockaway Beach is where all of the anti-aviation wackoes live, isn't it?

Kristie · September 13th, 2004, 19:33

geez.. this guys got 3 homes? they need to take some of that taxpayer money and give it back to da peoples!

Seggy · September 13th, 2004, 19:34

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Oh Geez. Rockaway Beach is where all of the anti-aviation wackoes live, isn't it?

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Yep but it isn't only that. He also represents Flushing which is RIGHT under some of the approaches to LGA.

ready2fly · September 14th, 2004, 10:22

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I just don't see how it's possible that it would even get close to getting through.

I mean it would effecively shut down every inner city airport down creating a pretty dense wasteland and thereby losing countless jobs for cities that intend to continue to grow based on airport/airpark facilities.

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The republicans will never allow this to pass...

It would outlaw corporate jets.

VOTE REPUBLICAN!

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Two words:

1. John
2. McCain

One of the most anti-general aviation asshats out there. There's your Big R support for GA. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

flyover · September 14th, 2004, 10:31

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The republicans will never allow this to pass...

It would outlaw corporate jets.

VOTE REPUBLICAN!

[/ QUOTE ]

This won't pass and I'm sympathetic to your message. But it does remind me of when Richard Nixon almost destroyed general aviation in the 70s. We were facing a fuel "crisis" and Dick thought that the way to solve it would be to tack a 50% surcharge on aviation fuel and other luxury fuel uses, like boats. The result was predictable, Wichita was laying off people as orders for aircraft immeditately stopped and/or were cancelled. FBOs were in a crisis. It was ugly and the surcharge was quickly cancelled. Of course the administration claimed they just didn't know such bad things would happen. ?????

Icelandair · September 14th, 2004, 11:51

The only thing John McCain is a Republican on is national security.

On most other issues he's a RINO.
which is why the media and democrats love him so much.

flyover · September 14th, 2004, 12:08

Don't forget, he's an asshat who was a POW so you arent' supposed to call him an asshat!

Had an interesting conversation many years ago with one of McCain's former squadron mates. He thought he was an asshat too, and supplied documentation! It really kind of shocked me and has colored my perception of him ever since.

ready2fly · September 14th, 2004, 12:22

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The only thing John McCain is a Republican on is national security.

On most other issues he's a RINO.
which is why the media and democrats love him so much.

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Actually, no... we don't. Don't know where you got that.

ready2fly · September 14th, 2004, 12:24

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Don't forget, he's an asshat who was a POW so you arent' supposed to call him an asshat!

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Well, POW or no POW.... he's an asshat who is no friend of GA.

Doug Taylor · September 14th, 2004, 13:07

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1. John
2. McCain

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Heck, three more!

1. Kaye
2. Bailey
3. Hutchison

danielsexton · September 14th, 2004, 18:21

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The republicans will never allow this to pass...

It would outlaw corporate jets.

VOTE REPUBLICAN!

[/ QUOTE ]

This post was meant to be humorous hence, the “corporate jet” reference.

BUT…it was a democrat who came up with this lane brain bill… [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Mr_Creepy · September 14th, 2004, 22:08

McCain is not a real republican!

The guy is definitely an "asshat"

TheShortOne · September 14th, 2004, 23:42

hey so if you guys can accept that mccain isn't a real republican why can't you accept that zell miller isn't a real democrat?

kellwolf · September 15th, 2004, 02:26

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McCain is not a real republican!

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Unless the Reps need to use his POW history for their cause, then he is again. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

RABIRZA69 · September 15th, 2004, 02:53

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This morons address is

1800 Sheepshead Bay Road
Brooklyn, NY 11235
(718) 743-0441

ail weiner@mail.house.gov

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whoa this guys office is about 3 blocks from my house right next to my favorite hero place and favorite sushi place... maybe i should flier him or something.. on a sidenote Jetblue held a safety fair today and the FAA was present so i struck up a conversation and mentioned this to them and they responded with its been in the works for awhile and will go through soon.

SteveC · September 15th, 2004, 08:52

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...on a sidenote Jetblue held a safety fair today and the FAA was present so i struck up a conversation and mentioned this to them and they responded with its been in the works for awhile and will go through soon.

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[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Here's the latest from AvWeb's Business Newswire today:[ QUOTE ]
...the first opportunity for the Weiner bill to advance would be today when the House considers legislation implementing recommendations from the 9/11 Commission. Weiner could try to offer his bill as an amendment to that legislation, but the likelihood of his success is low, according to observers. Meanwhile, the TSA has made it abundantly clear over the last couple of years that it does not consider GA aircraft to be a threat to national security, even though the agency has not yet made itself heard on this legislation. The good thing is that Congress won't be in session much longer this year. The bad news is that Weiner, whose congressional district is centered in the New York City borough of Queens, faces what is widely considered to be token opposition in the coming general election. Do you feel secure yet?

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BizAv Newsletter Sept 15 (scroll halfway down the page for this article)

AOPA (and other alphabet groups) have been on this one pretty hard from what I've read. I think you can stick a fork in it now, it's done.

Maybe you could get some of your neighbors over there in Queens to unelect this guy, eh RABIRZA69? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Here's the best part of the article: "Meanwhile, the TSA has made it abundantly clear over the last couple of years that it does not consider GA aircraft to be a threat to national security,..." It'd be nice if others could listen to what the TSA says, at least on this topic.

jawright · September 15th, 2004, 09:56

"He who is willing to sacrifice liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security."

-Ben Franklin

Sprint100 · September 16th, 2004, 11:50

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't we established that an airliner slamming into a building will cause more damage than a Cessna?

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If the Cessna is laced with some C4 then it wouldn't be your average Cessna. Sure it wouldn't cause twin tower type damage but if GA planes carrying a high explosive like that is popping into buildings, crowds, etc. all over the nation then we'd be in a pretty pickle.

kellwolf · September 16th, 2004, 16:40

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If the Cessna is laced with some C4 then it wouldn't be your average Cessna. Sure it wouldn't cause twin tower type damage but if GA planes carrying a high explosive like that is popping into buildings, crowds, etc. all over the nation then we'd be in a pretty pickle.

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Unfortunately, you could make the same case for motorcycles, SUVs, Ryder trucks, and run of the mill automobiles. In fact, some of those would cause MORE damage. However, Joe Average has day-to-day contact with those (some of them couldn't live without their gas guzzling SUVs), so you'll never see an expose on the news about that. GA is a very niche group, therefore it's easily targetted.

Sprint100 · September 16th, 2004, 17:07

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If the Cessna is laced with some C4 then it wouldn't be your average Cessna. Sure it wouldn't cause twin tower type damage but if GA planes carrying a high explosive like that is popping into buildings, crowds, etc. all over the nation then we'd be in a pretty pickle.

[/ QUOTE ]

Unfortunately, you could make the same case for motorcycles, SUVs, Ryder trucks, and run of the mill automobiles. In fact, some of those would cause MORE damage. However, Joe Average has day-to-day contact with those (some of them couldn't live without their gas guzzling SUVs), so you'll never see an expose on the news about that. GA is a very niche group, therefore it's easily targetted.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree totally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If they pick on one, then pick on the other that is capable of the same thing.

Sprint100 · September 16th, 2004, 17:09

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"He who is willing to sacrifice liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security."

-Ben Franklin

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Alrighty then Ben [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img]
That's a quote that needs to stay in the history books LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

SteveC · September 17th, 2004, 20:01

September 15 - EAA and other aviation organizations saw their Congressional education efforts pay off today, as Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) said he will not introduce a bill that would have devastated general aviation activities.

mtsu_av8er · September 17th, 2004, 20:30

Outstanding!

fo4ever · September 17th, 2004, 22:37

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The republicans will never allow this to pass...

It would outlaw corporate jets.

VOTE REPUBLICAN!

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This post was meant to be humorous hence, the “corporate jet” reference.

BUT…it was a democrat who came up with this lane brain bill… [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Not only republicans.....

I can't see Barbara Streisand or Alec Baldwin buying an airline ticket.

I think there would have been bipartisan pressure on this, had it been introduced.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bandit.gif[/img]

September 13th, 2004, 19:28	#26
Seggy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,498	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" This morons address is Congressman Anthony D. Weiner 1122 Longworth HOB Washington DC 20515 (202) 225-6616 or 80-02 Kew Gardens Rd. Suite 5000 Kew Gardens, NY 11415 (718) 520-9001 or 1800 Sheepshead Bay Road Brooklyn, NY 11235 (718) 743-0441 or 90-16 Rockaway Beach Blvd. Rockaway, NY 11693 (718) 318-9255 email weiner@mail.house.gov I am going to give him a call at his DC office. The even better news is that I have two Aunts, one Grandmother, one Uncle and two cousins that live in his district. He will be getting a call from each one of them in the near future as well [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

September 13th, 2004, 19:31	#27
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,926 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" Oh Geez. Rockaway Beach is where all of the anti-aviation wackoes live, isn't it?

September 13th, 2004, 19:33	#28
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 19,288 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" geez.. this guys got 3 homes? they need to take some of that taxpayer money and give it back to da peoples!

September 13th, 2004, 19:34	#29
Seggy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,498	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" [ QUOTE ] Oh Geez. Rockaway Beach is where all of the anti-aviation wackoes live, isn't it? [/ QUOTE ] Yep but it isn't only that. He also represents Flushing which is RIGHT under some of the approaches to LGA.

September 14th, 2004, 10:22	#30
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,373	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I just don't see how it's possible that it would even get close to getting through. I mean it would effecively shut down every inner city airport down creating a pretty dense wasteland and thereby losing countless jobs for cities that intend to continue to grow based on airport/airpark facilities. [/ QUOTE ] The republicans will never allow this to pass... It would outlaw corporate jets. VOTE REPUBLICAN! [/ QUOTE ] Two words: 1. John 2. McCain One of the most anti-general aviation asshats out there. There's your Big R support for GA. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

September 14th, 2004, 10:31	#31
flyover Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,389	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" [ QUOTE ] The republicans will never allow this to pass... It would outlaw corporate jets. VOTE REPUBLICAN! [/ QUOTE ] This won't pass and I'm sympathetic to your message. But it does remind me of when Richard Nixon almost destroyed general aviation in the 70s. We were facing a fuel "crisis" and Dick thought that the way to solve it would be to tack a 50% surcharge on aviation fuel and other luxury fuel uses, like boats. The result was predictable, Wichita was laying off people as orders for aircraft immeditately stopped and/or were cancelled. FBOs were in a crisis. It was ugly and the surcharge was quickly cancelled. Of course the administration claimed they just didn't know such bad things would happen. ?????

September 14th, 2004, 11:51	#32
Icelandair Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: North Dakota, USA Posts: 247	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" The only thing John McCain is a Republican on is national security. On most other issues he's a RINO. which is why the media and democrats love him so much.

September 14th, 2004, 12:08	#33
flyover Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,389	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" Don't forget, he's an asshat who was a POW so you arent' supposed to call him an asshat! Had an interesting conversation many years ago with one of McCain's former squadron mates. He thought he was an asshat too, and supplied documentation! It really kind of shocked me and has colored my perception of him ever since.

September 14th, 2004, 12:22	#34
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,373	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" [ QUOTE ] The only thing John McCain is a Republican on is national security. On most other issues he's a RINO. which is why the media and democrats love him so much. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, no... we don't. Don't know where you got that.

September 14th, 2004, 12:24	#35
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,373	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" [ QUOTE ] Don't forget, he's an asshat who was a POW so you arent' supposed to call him an asshat! [/ QUOTE ] Well, POW or no POW.... he's an asshat who is no friend of GA.

September 14th, 2004, 13:07	#36
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,926 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" [ QUOTE ] 1. John 2. McCain [/ QUOTE ] Heck, three more! 1. Kaye 2. Bailey 3. Hutchison

September 14th, 2004, 18:21	#37
danielsexton Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: CSG Posts: 186	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" [ QUOTE ] The republicans will never allow this to pass... It would outlaw corporate jets. VOTE REPUBLICAN! [/ QUOTE ] This post was meant to be humorous hence, the “corporate jet” reference. BUT…it was a democrat who came up with this lane brain bill… [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

September 14th, 2004, 22:08	#38
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,810	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" McCain is not a real republican! The guy is definitely an "asshat"

September 14th, 2004, 23:42	#39
TheShortOne Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 3,602	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" hey so if you guys can accept that mccain isn't a real republican why can't you accept that zell miller isn't a real democrat?

September 15th, 2004, 02:26	#40
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,230	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" [ QUOTE ] McCain is not a real republican! [/ QUOTE ] Unless the Reps need to use his POW history for their cause, then he is again. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

September 15th, 2004, 02:53	#41
RABIRZA69 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Shaolin NY, ACK MA Posts: 592	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" [ QUOTE ] This morons address is 1800 Sheepshead Bay Road Brooklyn, NY 11235 (718) 743-0441 ail weiner@mail.house.gov [/ QUOTE ] whoa this guys office is about 3 blocks from my house right next to my favorite hero place and favorite sushi place... maybe i should flier him or something.. on a sidenote Jetblue held a safety fair today and the FAA was present so i struck up a conversation and mentioned this to them and they responded with its been in the works for awhile and will go through soon.

September 15th, 2004, 08:52	#42
SteveC Modulator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR Posts: 8,788	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" [ QUOTE ] ...on a sidenote Jetblue held a safety fair today and the FAA was present so i struck up a conversation and mentioned this to them and they responded with its been in the works for awhile and will go through soon. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Here's the latest from AvWeb's Business Newswire today:[ QUOTE ] ...the first opportunity for the Weiner bill to advance would be today when the House considers legislation implementing recommendations from the 9/11 Commission. Weiner could try to offer his bill as an amendment to that legislation, but the likelihood of his success is low, according to observers. Meanwhile, the TSA has made it abundantly clear over the last couple of years that it does not consider GA aircraft to be a threat to national security, even though the agency has not yet made itself heard on this legislation. The good thing is that Congress won't be in session much longer this year. The bad news is that Weiner, whose congressional district is centered in the New York City borough of Queens, faces what is widely considered to be token opposition in the coming general election. Do you feel secure yet? [/ QUOTE ] BizAv Newsletter Sept 15 (scroll halfway down the page for this article) AOPA (and other alphabet groups) have been on this one pretty hard from what I've read. I think you can stick a fork in it now, it's done. Maybe you could get some of your neighbors over there in Queens to unelect this guy, eh RABIRZA69? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Here's the best part of the article: "Meanwhile, the TSA has made it abundantly clear over the last couple of years that it does not consider GA aircraft to be a threat to national security,..." It'd be nice if others could listen to what the TSA says, at least on this topic.

September 15th, 2004, 09:56	#43
jawright Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orlando Posts: 425	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" "He who is willing to sacrifice liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin

September 16th, 2004, 11:50	#44
Sprint100 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In my Cozy garage Posts: 6,271	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" [ QUOTE ] Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't we established that an airliner slamming into a building will cause more damage than a Cessna? [/ QUOTE ] If the Cessna is laced with some C4 then it wouldn't be your average Cessna. Sure it wouldn't cause twin tower type damage but if GA planes carrying a high explosive like that is popping into buildings, crowds, etc. all over the nation then we'd be in a pretty pickle.

September 16th, 2004, 16:40	#45
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,230	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" [ QUOTE ] If the Cessna is laced with some C4 then it wouldn't be your average Cessna. Sure it wouldn't cause twin tower type damage but if GA planes carrying a high explosive like that is popping into buildings, crowds, etc. all over the nation then we'd be in a pretty pickle. [/ QUOTE ] Unfortunately, you could make the same case for motorcycles, SUVs, Ryder trucks, and run of the mill automobiles. In fact, some of those would cause MORE damage. However, Joe Average has day-to-day contact with those (some of them couldn't live without their gas guzzling SUVs), so you'll never see an expose on the news about that. GA is a very niche group, therefore it's easily targetted.

September 16th, 2004, 17:07	#46
Sprint100 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In my Cozy garage Posts: 6,271	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If the Cessna is laced with some C4 then it wouldn't be your average Cessna. Sure it wouldn't cause twin tower type damage but if GA planes carrying a high explosive like that is popping into buildings, crowds, etc. all over the nation then we'd be in a pretty pickle. [/ QUOTE ] Unfortunately, you could make the same case for motorcycles, SUVs, Ryder trucks, and run of the mill automobiles. In fact, some of those would cause MORE damage. However, Joe Average has day-to-day contact with those (some of them couldn't live without their gas guzzling SUVs), so you'll never see an expose on the news about that. GA is a very niche group, therefore it's easily targetted. [/ QUOTE ] I agree totally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If they pick on one, then pick on the other that is capable of the same thing.

September 16th, 2004, 17:09	#47
Sprint100 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In my Cozy garage Posts: 6,271	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" [ QUOTE ] "He who is willing to sacrifice liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin [/ QUOTE ] Alrighty then Ben [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img] That's a quote that needs to stay in the history books LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

September 17th, 2004, 20:01	#48
SteveC Modulator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR Posts: 8,788	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" September 15 - EAA and other aviation organizations saw their Congressional education efforts pay off today, as Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) said he will not introduce a bill that would have devastated general aviation activities.

September 17th, 2004, 20:30	#49
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,590	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" Outstanding!

September 17th, 2004, 22:37	#50
fo4ever Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 177	Re: Proposed GA security law - \"outrageous\" [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The republicans will never allow this to pass... It would outlaw corporate jets. VOTE REPUBLICAN! [/ QUOTE ] This post was meant to be humorous hence, the “corporate jet” reference. BUT…it was a democrat who came up with this lane brain bill… [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Not only republicans..... I can't see Barbara Streisand or Alec Baldwin buying an airline ticket. I think there would have been bipartisan pressure on this, had it been introduced. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bandit.gif[/img]

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