For those lookin for snakeoil

[triple7]

how does that work in the military? how do they decide who is FO, who is capt, who is RIO.....is it seniority and rank like in the civilian work?

[MikeD]

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So 3 years as a military aircrew member doesn't count? What about all of the crew chiefs and F/E's and Naval F/O's? Seems to me he's too narrow minded.

JR

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A lot of the airlines don't want Nav time, etc, included as flight time.

[MarineNav]

Hello Mike, [ QUOTE ]
A lot of the airlines don't want Nav time, etc, included as flight time.

[/ QUOTE ] I understand that. But the post, to me at least, indicated that it wasn't so much about TT (though you still have to meet the min's), but that you have a track record as an aviation (flight crew) professional.

Thanks,

JR

[MarineNav]

Hello Triple7,

Mike can better answer this question, but I'll give it a go. It's all about applying for the positions (Pilot, EWO, FO, NAV, LoadMaster) you want AND are qualified for prior to entering the service (not that you can't apply once in the service). As far as wanting to be a Crew Chief or Flight Engineer, I believe you have to come up through the ranks in another aviation support capacity (engines, hydraulics, avionics, airframe, etc.) and apply after becoming rated in your MOS.

Regards,

JR

[MikeD]

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Hello Mike, [ QUOTE ]
A lot of the airlines don't want Nav time, etc, included as flight time.

[/ QUOTE ] I understand that. But the post, to me at least, indicated that it wasn't so much about TT (though you still have to meet the min's), but that you have a track record as an aviation (flight crew) professional.

Thanks,

JR

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Ahh, got you. Didn't catch your meaning the first time around. I agree.

[Looking4Lower]

Here's a few thoughts from a non-CFI former banner-tower/aerial photography/freight guy.

First off, I think there's a key difference between instructing and towing/traffic/photography type jobs. As a CFI/II, you (presumably) must constantly set the example for your students and in doing so, you would probably err on the side of conservatism when it comes to your flying. Exemplary compliance with rules and regs, good conservative weather and mx judgments, etc. etc. To do anything less is a disservice to your students and it generates unsafe pilots.

But consider a job where the priorities are different. You are the lone PIC of an airplane that must generate $$$ for the boss or ELSE (i.e. towing/traffic/photography or whatever). The emphsis now shifts from "setting the example" to "must fly today or ELSE," often in the face of weather or mx questions and various other pressures from the boss. How do your flying habits change when nobody is observing you?

I won't pretend to know what it's like to be a CFI, but I can speak for doing other flying jobs as a pilot with what I think is a good sense of safety and sound judgment. These jobs will certainly test your JUDGMENT as an aviator. They will test your INTEGRITY. They will force you to go face-to-face with the boss, if you have the guts to stand for yourself. They will prepare you for similar situations encountered in more advanced flying jobs where the stakes are higher.

It's not all buzzing around and filling out the logbook - there's another side to the whole thing. For ME, the toughest thing about the aviation industry hasn't been flying to PTS standards or shooting an ILS to minimums or things of that sort - it's having my judgment and integrity tested and stressed, sometimes to the breaking point. I never realized that when I was getting my ratings and looking forward to "commercial flying."

Again, just a few thoughts from one guy's experiences.

Ironically, since I have gained a fair amount of flying experience, I have been kicking around the idea of getting my CFI. I feel seasoned enough where I would enjoy passing on some knowledge and experience.

[mtsu_av8er]

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As far as wanting to be a Crew Chief or Flight Engineer, I believe you have to come up through the ranks in another aviation support capacity (engines, hydraulics, avionics, airframe, etc.) and apply after becoming rated in your MOS.

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In our beloved Corps, you can enlist as a helicopter Crew Chief - that becomes your primary MOS.

[MarineNav]

Hello Lloyd,

So besides Safety and Flight Ops, what does training consist of to become rated? (loading and cleaning the 50's, selecting the choicest MRE's for the pilots, cleaning the windshield? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]) JK

Thanks,

JR

[mtsu_av8er]

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Hello Lloyd,

So besides Safety and Flight Ops, what does training consist of to become rated? (loading and cleaning the 50's, selecting the choicest MRE's for the pilots, cleaning the windshield? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]) JK

Thanks,

JR

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[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Lot's of NATOPS training, water survival, and basic maintenance training.

In the '53 community (pretty sure it's the same), You first go to basic aircrew school in P'Cola, then you complete the H-53 basic maintenance course, the you complete the aircrew syllabus in the H-53.

After tha, you get your wings and hit the fleet!!

[eeg]

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In our beloved Corps, you can enlist as a helicopter Crew Chief - that becomes your primary MOS.

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Which was my MOS!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]