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September 8th, 2004, 00:40
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| Agent Smith  |  Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA Basically an airline sells a seat from "point a" to "point b". If you need more than one seat, and it's a full flight where they've got to bump a revenue passenger in order for you to sit comfortably, I haven't a problem! I would lose my ever loving mind if I had a business meeting which I paid full fare for a ticket to attend where I either got bumped because a large passenger who paid for one ticket took up two seats or I had to 'share' my occupiable space. I sat next to a rather large woman on a flight from DFW to PHX once where the armrest wouldn't come down and I felt 98 degree "person" pressing against the left half of my body for two hours. Granted the ride was free, but if I had paid for a ticket and spent two hours pressed against the sidewall for two hours, I'd be miffed. |
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September 8th, 2004, 01:32
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| Big Chief's Woman  | Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA [ QUOTE ] ok, i know not everyone on here has a skinny butt, so lets be honest. A typical coach seat is around 17" wide. To put that in perspective, my keyboard is 18" wide. I can think of like 3 people off the top of my head who would probably fit comfortably into that small of a width. so with that, the rest of us spill over somewhat. with that, i feel southwest's policy as outlined by Kellwolf is fair, however, making a scene about it in a public place is not (i realize the woman made the scene not southwest but i'm talking in general) I feel like if southwest can be discrete and polite and compassionate when dealing with this situation it would go a long way rather than being rude and obnoxious about it (again, didn't see the show, just commenting in general) but that goes without saying in all aspects of customer service. [/ QUOTE ] whooeee emily.. who IS that hunky man as your avatar? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] |
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September 8th, 2004, 01:36
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| Moderator  Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal
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| Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA Calm down ladies - I got in trouble of posting a girl on here. |
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September 8th, 2004, 02:02
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| Big Chief's Woman | Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA [ QUOTE ] And instead of paying for two tickes why not buy one 1st class ticket? Good point Tony! [/ QUOTE ]SWA doesn't have first class Brian |
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September 8th, 2004, 02:05
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: KPHX, KFFZ, KIWA
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    | Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA [/ QUOTE ] whooeee emily.. who IS that hunky man as your avatar? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] His name is Josh Harnett and I agree with you. I'd fight Emily for him. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/insane.gif[/img] Matthew |
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September 8th, 2004, 02:53
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Jan 2004
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| Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA I love when people buy the cheapest ticket possible and then complain about service. The reason Southwest makes money isn't because of outstanding service (although it is pretty good), it's because they are set up to require a 90% load factor to reach their break-even point. Giving fat people a free seat would effectively cancel out the revenue seat miles for both seats. So in that case, two empty seats equals one big butt in on 1.5 seats. This is not good when you have to pack 'em in like cattle just to make a buck. The fact that southwest will refund the second seat if one is available afterwards is actually a really nice thing for them to do. |
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September 8th, 2004, 04:04
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| Junior Member  Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Oregon
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| Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA How about we forget about the idea that airlines sell a "seat from point A to point B"? Maybe airlines should start selling tickets on the style of UPS or Airborne. That is, the pax is weighed together with his or her baggage and charged by the pound. You could have bench seats with adjustable armrests that could slide left and right to give the pax the exact amout of space required. A small pax with a 11 inch arse would get 12 inches of seat. A large pax with a 29 inch arse wold get a 30 inch seat... Okay, I know this isn't realistic but.... |
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September 8th, 2004, 04:13
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Santa Clara, CA
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| Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA How about bench style seating with 1 seatbelt for everyone, whether it be 1 person or 5 people! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/buck.gif[/img] JR |
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September 8th, 2004, 04:35
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop
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| Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA [ QUOTE ] Fat people like this chick crying ADA are just looking for an excuse to get money and attention. Fatness is everyone elses problem- not theirs. (Along with every other issue in this country...) They are being discriminated against! Puh-lease. Like sitting on her ass and eating like a pig weren't her fault. [/ QUOTE ] It's interesting to watch this thread unfold just as we're discussing racism and discrimination in general in my Social Psychology class. Weight discrimination is the last bastion left untouched by political correctness, the last basis people feel free to actively discriminate on. As told by the wise old sage C.C. DeVille (of Poison fame) on one of those VH1 documentaries, the American public is far more tolerant of cocaine and heroin addiction than they are of obesity. Think rv7's cousin would call some black guy the "n" word mid-flight? My guess is probably not. But calling him a 'fat #####', well, that's just calling a spade a spade, right? News flash for all you skinny people: you're shaped the way you are and we fat people are shaped the way we are largely because of genetics. Anyone who disagrees with this doesn't understand either genetics or differences in metabolism (a product of...surprise...genetics). Sure, exercise can have an effect on this, but the simple truth is that if Szluka or Ed put on an extra 10 lbs of flab and then they and I had a contest to see who could lose 10 lbs faster, I'd have to work much harder than they to lose that 10 lbs. Why? Being an average fat person, my metabolism--to be more specific, my basal metabolic rate--is much, much slower than theirs, which means simply that my body is more efficient in its use of fuel (food) than a skinny guy's--and, conversely, much less efficient at burning stored fuel (bodyfat). A good analogy (at least for this crowd) is the difference in fuel burn for a turbojet to produce the same thrust at low altitude vs at high altitude. Now mind you, this isn't merely the whining of a fat person; I'm busting my ass to rid myself of this obstacle to an aviation career (I've dropped ~40 lbs since the JC Scottsdale meet-n-greet in Feb), but I know what it's like to be extremely uncomfortable in that 18"-wide seat, very nearly having to ask for a seatbelt extension. |
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September 8th, 2004, 04:50
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| Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop
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| Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA [ QUOTE ] According to the "Conditions of Carriage"- a contract between the airline and the customer- [/ QUOTE ] THANK YOU for jogging my memory on this. "Carriage" refers to the conduct of a person or cargo from one place to another--NOT to the "rental" of "a" seat. |
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September 8th, 2004, 07:16
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: BHB - Maine
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| Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA [ QUOTE ] News flash for all you skinny people: you're shaped the way you are and we fat people are shaped the way we are largely because of genetics. Anyone who disagrees with this doesn't understand either genetics or differences in metabolism (a product of...surprise...genetics). Sure, exercise can have an effect on this, but the simple truth is that if Szluka or Ed put on an extra 10 lbs of flab and then they and I had a contest to see who could lose 10 lbs faster, I'd have to work much harder than they to lose that 10 lbs. [/ QUOTE ] Actually everything I have read about this (and I have read a lot) suggests that the majority of overweight people get that way as a result of personal choices. From the information I have come across something like less that 5% of obese people (the ones who we are talking about who cant fit into an airline seat) are obese because of medical or genetic reasons. The other 95+% got that way as a result of diet and lack of exercise. Compare the US to every other nation in the world and we have by far the highest rate of obesity. Granted many people may deal with issues like slower metabolisms, but that means one needs to adjust calorie intake and increase activity to raise the metabolism as much as possible. These folks may never be string bean thin, but we are not talking about people who are a little over weight in this instance. Some pretty darn big people can fit into an airline seat and still get the armrest down. This is only an issue for substantially obese individuals. |
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September 8th, 2004, 08:04
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| Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Santa Clara, CA
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| Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA Hi. I'm a fat person and I approve of this ad. JR |
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September 8th, 2004, 08:43
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| Old Skool  Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone
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| Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA Wow 3 pages in one night. This has been discussed before but obviously it still touches some nerves. Should we talk about PFT? I weigh in at 260 lbs. If SWA wants me to buy two seats NO PROBLEM - as long as I can sprawl in two seats! Two seats on SWA is still cheaper than First Class on any other airline. It all comes down to weight and bulk rather than people. Airplanes can only carry so much. Also, does anyone here like being stuck in a middle seat between two fat people? I didn't think so! |
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September 8th, 2004, 09:57
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| Old Skool  Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland
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| Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA [ QUOTE ] Give me a break! Give me a break! Break me off a piece of that . . . KIT KAT BAR! sorry, couldn't resist [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I like that. But don't sing that song around the woman in question here. She'll end up needing THREE seats. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Aloft, I sympathize with you, my friend. It ain't easy to get that 10 or 15 pounds that you want to lose off. I know. But we're not talking about 10-15 pounds here. We're not even talking about 20 or 30. We're talking about being so big that you need two seats. Now, there may be a few people -- a very few -- who can say it's all genetics. But our problem with obesity for the most part is not due to genetics. It's because we don't accept that you simply cannot eat more calories than you burn if you want to keep your weight under control. It's really a simple equation, whether your metabolism is slow or fast. Take in more calories than you burn, and you gain weight. Take in less than you burn, and you lose weight. Good luck with your weight loss program, aloft. It sounds like you are well on your way to getting to where you want to be! |
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September 8th, 2004, 10:15
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Utah
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| Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA [ QUOTE ] no you didn't.. .you guys post girls ALL the time... so it's our turn.. hahahhaa [/ QUOTE ] Yeah that!!! (Kristie it's the guy from Pearl Harbor!) |
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September 8th, 2004, 10:48
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Park City, UT
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| Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA ya, should i remind you guys of L1011's avatar or MikeD's new girl both of whom interrupt threads all the frickin' time with comments like "oh what's her name" or "i'm sorry i was distracted" agh. I'm gonna have my hot guy avatar and Max and I can duke it out in vegas [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/insane.gif[/img] |
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September 8th, 2004, 11:01
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul
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| Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA [ QUOTE ] News flash for all you skinny people: you're shaped the way you are and we fat people are shaped the way we are largely because of genetics. Anyone who disagrees with this doesn't understand either genetics or differences in metabolism (a product of...surprise...genetics). Sure, exercise can have an effect on this, but the simple truth is that if Szluka or Ed put on an extra 10 lbs of flab and then they and I had a contest to see who could lose 10 lbs faster, I'd have to work much harder than they to lose that 10 lbs. Why? Being an average fat person, my metabolism--to be more specific, my basal metabolic rate--is much, much slower than theirs, which means simply that my body is more efficient in its use of fuel (food) than a skinny guy's--and, conversely, much less efficient at burning stored fuel (bodyfat). A good analogy (at least for this crowd) is the difference in fuel burn for a turbojet to produce the same thrust at low altitude vs at high altitude. Now mind you, this isn't merely the whining of a fat person; I'm busting my ass to rid myself of this obstacle to an aviation career (I've dropped ~40 lbs since the JC Scottsdale meet-n-greet in Feb), but I know what it's like to be extremely uncomfortable in that 18"-wide seat, very nearly having to ask for a seatbelt extension. [/ QUOTE ] B.S.!!!!! I was fat all through school and high school, but in college, I lost 65 lbs. and kept it off for over 5 years. Since law school I've slowly put the weight back on. The reason is not genetics. The reason is that my work is sedentary, I don't exercise, I watch too much T.V., and I eat too much ice cream and other junk food (in general I just eat too much). There are people who have disorders that cause them to be overweight. Those people represent a TINY portion of the obese people in this country. The vast majority of overweight people are overweight because they eat too much and exercise too little. Kudos to you on losing weight, but I think your success proves my point. [/rant] Also, you do not have to be Kate Moss to fit in an airline seat. I'm 5'8" and ~240 lbs., and I really don't have any trouble. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bandit.gif[/img] MF |
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September 8th, 2004, 11:05
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| Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Park City, UT
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| Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA [ QUOTE ] Also, you do not have to be Kate Moss to fit in an airline seat. I'm 5'8" and ~240 lbs., and I really don't have any trouble [/ QUOTE ] ya and you don't think that none of your butt hangs over into someone else's seat? Lets be honest, if you take 3 normal sized people you're all going to be somewhat squished because i know very few people whos butts' are actually 17" wide. |
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September 8th, 2004, 11:08
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| Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA So if a fat person is sitting on half of your seat then you should also get to pay half the fare for the seat. It just doesn't work like this though. |
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September 8th, 2004, 11:11
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| Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul
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| Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA [ QUOTE ] ya and you don't think that none of your butt hangs over into someone else's seat? Lets be honest, if you take 3 normal sized people you're all going to be somewhat squished because i know very few people whos butts' are actually 17" wide. [/ QUOTE ] No, I don't. The armrest comes down, and I'm pretty sure my behind is not oozing under the 1-2" space under the armrest. I do have a problem with my shoulders, but that has nothing to do with my weight . . . I've always been broad across the shoulders, even when I was skinny. MF |
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September 8th, 2004, 11:17
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| Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA Let's not argue just because of our weights people! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] |
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September 8th, 2004, 11:26
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| Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Utah
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| Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA Well you all made me curious so I just measured my butt [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] (well, I mean, what it takes up on a seat) and it was 17". But some one with a 20" spread wouldn't neccessarily be occupying part of the other seats because the arm rests would squish you up and hold you in your own. |
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September 8th, 2004, 11:29
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| Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland
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| Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA Well, the average waist size for men is now 40 inches. And the average size for a woman is a size 12. If you divide the 40 inch waist in two, you're looking at 20 inches. Then take off another few inches because nobody has a zero inch width -- on me, it looks like there's another two inches on each side -- and you're looking at 17-18 inches. So, yeah, the average Joe can fit into an airplane seat, even though we are rapidly becoming a nation of lardbutts. |
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September 8th, 2004, 11:41
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| Junior Member  Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Tampa, FL
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| Re: If your large don\'t fly SWA [ QUOTE ] Think rv7's cousin would call some black guy the "n" word mid-flight? My guess is probably not. But calling him a 'fat #####', well, that's just calling a spade a spade, right? [/ QUOTE ] Your guess is right, he would not. However, I would argue that there are just as many ignorant poeple who would drop the "n" word as there are who are rude enough to call someone a "fat fck," at least here in the South anyways. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img] |
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