Logbook Question...

WEAPON · August 29th, 2004, 19:50

I have come to realize that I have some logbook entries that I need to remove and recalculate my totals...Is there any way I can do that and my logbook not look really crappy? My pages are the logbook green and I have that ledger Green Out stuff, but I REALLY need to change some things in there, what do you all suggest? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

FlyboyZR1 · August 29th, 2004, 20:32

Why do you want to remove your logbook entries?

SteveC · August 29th, 2004, 21:01

Don't use green-out. Draw a single line through the incorrect entry, with a note "corrected totals on <date>", then make a single line entry in your logbook (at the next open line), titled "corrections to flight time" or something like that, with the changes that you need to make in each column. You could also reference back to the incorrect dates in the remarks column to allow easy corroraboration in the future.

<That doesn't read very clearly, so I'll try again>

I did this on some entries that I decided were incorrect, something like four years after they were intially made. I certainly didn't want to change the totals on every single page for the whole four year period, so I made the correction to the totals on the last (most recent) page, with notes on where to find the original error. The page that has the original error has a line through the bad entry, with a note where to find the corrections to the totals.

Hopefully one of those descriptions will make sense. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

montanapilot · August 29th, 2004, 21:28

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Why do you want to remove your logbook entries?

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Perhaps This?

WEAPON · August 29th, 2004, 23:57

No Flame war here...

Fortunately, I came to a decision and I am sticking to it...Any flight time that could be deemed "questionable", was zero'd out and all other columns that were affected were corrected as well. I was just wondering if I needed further correction...I am satisfied with what I have done though...

kellwolf · August 30th, 2004, 00:42

I second the "line through" method over the "green out" method. Make sure you initial where you line through stuff, just to make it official. I metioned this an my reasoning to my CFI (the whole someone might think your hiding something with the green out), and he's gone to the line through method of correction as well.

MidlifeFlyer · August 30th, 2004, 01:01

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No Flame war here...

Fortunately, I came to a decision and I am sticking to it...Any flight time that could be deemed "questionable", was zero'd out and all other columns that were affected were corrected as well. I was just wondering if I needed further correction...I am satisfied with what I have done though...

[/ QUOTE ]I'll join the others in the line and initial being preferable to green out. There should be no question whatsoever about what you were doing.

But just a thought. No flame war intended either and I don't know exactly what you are planning to cross out. But despite the arguments that continue about them ad nauseum, more that 90% of the issues about what is proper to log and what is not have been settled for more than 20 years. If were crossing out a bunch of clearly legitimate entries I'd be concerned that it might raise questions about whether or not I understand the rules I am flying under.

I'd also be careful about over-correcting. Make sure that you don't remove some PIC time that you needed for certain certificates or ratings. For example, if you used safety pilot time logged as PIC toward the 8710 PIC totals for your commercial certificate, but now feel it's "questionable" watch out for invalidating your certificate it by removing it now (not to mention having a record that you "lied" to the FAA in the 8710).

EatSleepFly · August 30th, 2004, 09:11

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Is there any way I can do that and my logbook not look really crappy?

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No. How bad is it? If its something that someone would have to go through significant trouble to prove/verify, I'd leave it alone and just don't do it in the future. Why make a mess if no one would notice the mistakes anyways?

On the other hand, I've got some white out (on green pages) in my first logbook, and some white out, and a few of the "line through and initial" style corrections in my current logbook (white pages). None of the corrections in either book have ever been questioned, and they sifted through both of them pretty good during my Eagle interview so I'm sure they saw them.