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August 28th, 2004, 12:41
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#1 | | Junior Member
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|  121, 135, confusion....
Ok, Im just trying to straighten a few things out here. From what I have gathered ( http://flighttraining.aopa.org/members/library/far/), 121 is airline stuff and 135 is,well, either charter commuter, or on-demand operations (can anyone define these terms?). Are there any other section numbers (what do we techinally call these numbers) that I should know, as they relate to different types of jobs? Also, where does corporate flying and freight flying fit in? Thanks for the help! | 
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August 28th, 2004, 12:46
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#2 | | Old Skool
Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia
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| Re: 121, 135, confusion....
Where to begin.... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
121 is scheduled airlines. 135 is charter and on-demand. Now, freight can either be 121 (FEDEX, UPS, ABX) or 135 (Ram Air Freight, Flight Express, Airnet Systems). Depends on the operator and their equipment, etc.
Corporate? That would fall under part 91. It's just like the company CEO owning a 172 and paying a pilot to fly it. Personal use.
Make sense? | |
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August 28th, 2004, 12:49
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#3 | | Junior Member
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| Re: 121, 135, confusion....
So what is "commuter" and "on-demand" ? | |
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August 28th, 2004, 12:58
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#4 | | Old Skool
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| Re: 121, 135, confusion....
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So what is "commuter" and "on-demand" ?
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Commuter : The old way of saying "regional airline". They used to fall under 135, for the most part.
On-Damand : "Hey, I need to get me and my team to Miami Tonight!" or "I need you to ship this part to Bolivia Tonight!" | |
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August 28th, 2004, 13:08
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#5 | | Junior Member
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| Re: 121, 135, confusion....
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So what is "commuter" and "on-demand" ?
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Commuter : The old way of saying "regional airline". They used to fall under 135, for the most part.
On-Damand : "Hey, I need to get me and my team to Miami Tonight!" or "I need you to ship this part to Bolivia Tonight!"
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Ok, thats pretty straight forward and as implied then. You can never be too sure about the wording of things like this... Thanks! | |
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August 28th, 2004, 14:31
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#6 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On your TCAS
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| Re: 121, 135, confusion....
Browse thru FAR Part 119 (it's not that big). It will answer many of your 121/135 "kinds of operation" questions. | |
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August 28th, 2004, 15:12
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#7 | | Old Skool
Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia
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| Re: 121, 135, confusion....
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Where to begin.... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
121 is scheduled airlines. 135 is charter and on-demand. Now, freight can either be 121 (FEDEX, UPS, ABX) or 135 (Ram Air Freight, Flight Express, Airnet Systems). Depends on the operator and their equipment, etc.
Corporate? That would fall under part 91. It's just like the company CEO owning a 172 and paying a pilot to fly it. Personal use.
Make sense?
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Are you sure? There are part 121 charter operator. and I'm pretty sure there are part 135 scheduled operations. The difference has more to do with aircraft size, I think. For example a scheduled operation using 402 cessnas would probably operate under 135. And then I thought freight operators had their own section.
Too lazy to look it up though. (hint) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] | |
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August 29th, 2004, 02:18
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#8 | | Old Skool
Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland
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| Re: 121, 135, confusion....
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For example a scheduled operation using 402 cessnas would probably operate under 135. And then I thought freight operators had their own section.
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I'm pretty sure that Cape Air is a 121 operator, even though they operate with 402s. Not 100 percent sure, though. | |
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August 29th, 2004, 04:59
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#9 | | Junior Member
Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Oregon
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| Re: 121, 135, confusion....
What about Scenic Airlines in Las Vegas? What kind of an op would that be? | |
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August 29th, 2004, 05:13
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#10 | | Junior Member
Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Oregon
Posts: 262
| Re: 121, 135, confusion....
Oops! Should have just gone to the Scenic website first. Got this from there.
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There are a variety of different certificates and each certificate dictates a particular set of regulations and policies. Scenic#Airlines operates under a "part 121" certificate. The part 121 certificate governs all of the major airline carriers such as American Airlines and Delta and is the highest ranking certificate issued. A part 121 certificate requires extensive and in-depth training for pilots and mechanics as well as advanced regulations for aircraft and pilot operations.
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