Did I do something terribly wrong??

C150J · August 25th, 2004, 19:06

Hi all -

I'm posting this here because I would appreciate some insight on my current predicament:

About four or five months ago, a fairly new CFI (a little less than a year as an employee) at the flying club I'm a member of asked me if I knew of anyone with a multi-engine aircraft that might need instruction, or of anyone I could think of that might give him some multi time (I have been flying in the same area for seven years, so he knew I had some contacts). His intention was to do it on his off days, as to buff up his multi column. I then referred him to a former instructor who know operates a turbine multi-engine aircraft for an insurance company (they're now looking at buying a Citation).

Low and behold, the CFI decided to leave my current flying club for a position with the gentleman I referred him to. He had about 1,000 hours or so, but his leaving the club was a little earlier than most do (around 1,500 hours). So, today, I receive a semi-stern (but fairly diplomatic) email from the chief CFI, telling me "not to be helpful like that" to his instructors, as it's "hard work to keep people." I really admire this guy (Gold Seal, great instructor, etc.), but I feel like I didn't do anything wrong. First of all, I just gave the guy a name. Second of all, if this is a better opportunity, shouldn't he take it? He had no time commitment to my flying club.

What do you guys think? Basically, everyone seems to be blaming me for his departure. Isn't that HIS choice, not mine? Do you think I should withhold information from now on?

Thanks for the inisght!
J.

pilot602 · August 25th, 2004, 19:10

<ul type="square">[*] Tell your chief CFI to stick it.
[*] If it's "so hard" keeping good people around maybe he should raise the pay rates.
[*] They aren't "his" instructors.
[*] The CFI in question can do any thing he wants, this is still a (partly, anyway) free country.[/list]
I can't believe he actually had the gall to say "don't be helpful to someone." Pardon my french, but, screw him. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

I wouldn't worry about it you did nothing wrong. Your "chief" CFI has an ego problem.

Minnesota_Flyer · August 25th, 2004, 19:12

You didn't do anything wrong. The chief CFI is completely out of line to blame you for the fact that he lost an employee. I hope you won't hesitate to offer help to others in the future. This vocation is all about such contacts.

MF

Edit: And I concur completely with Pilot602's comments.

Edit Edit: Also, if it's a real flying club, and you're a member, then HE is working for YOU (in a way). Don't let him forget that.

Kristie · August 25th, 2004, 19:48

good points all the way around! someone who tells you to "not" help someone else is only being selfish and trying to help himself...the whole point of the industry is to work your way up and he's the operator of a club and should KNOW that his employees are going to push their way to the top and become previous employees...

it's a given and your not at all to blame for that!

aviategw · August 25th, 2004, 20:23

Nuts to that Chief Instructor--

I'm assuming the CFII was a paid position in the club. If he (Gold Seal Guy) really wanted to keep his instructors, he should either pay them more or create an environment that is better for the instructors. Unless your CFI was under contract to that club, unlikely, he was well within his rights to seek employment elsewhere. Not only is this what being a pilot in the flying industry is all about, i.e., the struggle to find a good fit that allows you to actually have a life, but this is what America is all about. As an American, you are guaranteed the right to pursue happiness. Whether or not you achieve happiness is up to you.

If the Gold Seal Guy persists that he really wanted to keep his instructor, ask him why he doesn't have a multi at the school. If there is a twin at the club, ask him what he did to get your CFI more hours in the multi. If I am correct that the club pays its instructors something, ask the Gold Seal Guy how his pay compared with the pay of the CFII who left.

Hopefully, the Gold Seal Guy was just, perhaps reasonably, frustrated that he lost what sounds like a talented CFII. However, It doesn't make sense to have someone chew out what is basically a paying customer.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

jjm · August 25th, 2004, 20:33

hey- I did the same thing-- almost... I sent my Cheif CFI at my old flying club an email about some job postings that I found at my school, in case he wanted to pass them on to his instructors... never heard back regarding that. Who knows... but I can definitely understand you second guessing yourself. IMHO- you didn't do anything wrong, in fact you just reinforced the fact that we all look out for each other in this field. I'm finding that out now at my new school--everyone pulls for each other, no matter who is going where or what their aspirations are.
Good luck-
j

p.s. go check your pm C150 J

rv7 · August 25th, 2004, 22:12

You should be proud of yourself for helping that CFI land a better job. Hopefully somone can do you such a favor one day. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

August 25th, 2004, 22:14

[In the voice of the pastor guy in "Coming to America"]
"If helping people is wrong... I don't wanna be right".

Minima-No-Contact · August 25th, 2004, 22:31

[ QUOTE ]
I receive a semi-stern (but fairly diplomatic) email from the chief CFI, telling me "not to be helpful like that" to his instructors, as it's "hard work to keep people."

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd send a semi-stern email back to him, pointing out that it is students like you keeping him in business. He needs to watch what he says.

If he has a problem with his instructors moving onto better things, he is in the wrong industry.

kellwolf · August 25th, 2004, 22:40

[ QUOTE ]
email from the chief CFI, telling me "not to be helpful like that" to his instructors, as it's "hard work to keep people."

[/ QUOTE ]

Maybe this guy should take a few steps back and ask himself WHY it's so hard to keep people, especially with the industry like it is now. If he's upset about another CFI getting a better job, screw 'em. He's probably bitter it wasn't him or that you didn't tell HIM about the job so he could swipe it instead. Best of all, start looking for a new flying club. If this is how the guy treats his CFIs, I'm not sure I'd want to support that.

Ecl!pse · August 25th, 2004, 22:40

Sounds almost like the Chief instructor is a little jealous that he's not in the game.

You did the right thing, and helped another. I wouldn't worry about it. Im young and not much experience, but it sounds to me like you did the right thing!

viper548 · August 25th, 2004, 22:44

The chief CFI should be happy his instructors are getting hired. The chief CFI/owner of the flight school I work at encourages the instructors to advance their careers. It's good for his business too. What he should be saying is, Yeah, graduates of my flight school have gone on to work at ____company and others have gone to ____ and ____ airlines. Yeah, there is the inconvenence of having to find a new instructor, but i'm sure he's got a stack of resume's on his desk.

C150J · August 25th, 2004, 23:43

Thanks for all of the insight, guys!

It's just kind of a bummer, because I have so much respect for the guy that this is a big let-down. In fact, I felt TERRIBLE for quite some time today, as I honestly thought I did a bad thing (only after thinking about it did I realize how out of line it was). He wrote the email with a lot of tact, but after reading it several times, it is quite condenscending. I'm a 21 year old 500 hour commercial pilot, and I feel like he's trying to take me for a ride on this one - attempting to convince me that this is how the industry works, and that I cost the club a huge investment. Here is the direct phrase that really got me:

" I work very hard to aquire and retain good CFIs at the club....it is our very life blood and it takes considerable effort and cost. It is unhelpful, to say the least, suggesting or encouraging their outside employment"

Right now, I wish I could find another club, but I live in a small university town with no other alternatives. What makes me more nervous is the fact that I'm SURE my background investigator for law enforcement will be speaking with this gentleman about my flying credentials. I'm kind of stuck. All I can do is save the email and show it to my investigator preemptively, should he blacklist me during an interview.

J.

MikeD · August 25th, 2004, 23:45

"When Networking goes bad.........." [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

tonyw · August 25th, 2004, 23:48

What you did is help a fellow pilot out. Anyone who has a problem with that ought to take a LONG look in the mirror.

JEP · August 25th, 2004, 23:49

Print off this thread and let him see it.

Kristie · August 26th, 2004, 01:46

that's what i'd suggest too.. have your background investigator come talk to us!

Doug Taylor · August 26th, 2004, 01:50

You did everything right.

If the chief pilot is trying dilligently to hold onto CFI's, he'd make it lucrative ($$$ and working conditions) for the CFI's to stay.

That guy you helped land employment will be a good contact when you're looking for work.

Mr_Creepy · August 27th, 2004, 07:57

[ QUOTE ]
You did everything right.

If the chief pilot is trying dilligently to hold onto CFI's, he'd make it lucrative ($$$ and working conditions) for the CFI's to stay.

That guy you helped land employment will be a good contact when you're looking for work.

[/ QUOTE ]

And even though I praised CFIs in another thread, I will now proceed to dis CFIs that flaunt a "Gold Seal."

They are usually compensating for something [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

All the threads here sum it up, anyone who trys to "hold people back" is a jerk in my book.

mtsu_av8er · August 27th, 2004, 09:50

[ QUOTE ]
And even though I praised CFIs in another thread, I will now proceed to dis CFIs that flaunt a "Gold Seal."

[/ QUOTE ]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] If it's not there to flaunt, what is it there for? Why even get it? That's like saying that a Bronze Star recipient shouldn't wear it, but put it in a box and keep it a secret.... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Minnesota_Flyer · August 27th, 2004, 10:52

[ QUOTE ]
That's like saying that a Bronze Star recipient shouldn't wear it, but put it in a box and keep it a secret.... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

Or pretend to through it over a fence.

[/duck]

MF

Mr_Creepy · August 27th, 2004, 10:58

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
And even though I praised CFIs in another thread, I will now proceed to dis CFIs that flaunt a "Gold Seal."

[/ QUOTE ]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] If it's not there to flaunt, what is it there for? Why even get it? That's like saying that a Bronze Star recipient shouldn't wear it, but put it in a box and keep it a secret.... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

That's my point exactly. Why even get it?

IT'S USELESS.

There is no other function a Gold Seal can accomplish that a straight CFI can't do.

Doug Taylor · August 27th, 2004, 11:08

If I have earned a cfi gold star, I'd have certainly thrown it onto my resume!

CaptChris · August 27th, 2004, 11:09

Guys.... give the average CFI a break. Think about the life of a CFI.... it sucks. Being a CFI for two years wouldn't be too bad... but when you're in it for the long run, you have to have AT LEAST one thing that you can put on your "The things I accomplished in life" checklist. For a CFI the gold seal is the only thing they can really get in their carreers.

Imagine going into work day in and day out.... if you can make it to 2,000 hours of dual given without getting killed... the least you deserve is a "Gold Seal." Oh well, thats my take on it... On that note---I will probably be fired.

mtsu_av8er · August 27th, 2004, 11:33

[ QUOTE ]
That's my point exactly. Why even get it?

IT'S USELESS.

There is no other function a Gold Seal can accomplish that a straight CFI can't do.

[/ QUOTE ]

Maybe so that you can flaunt your proven record of success over a given period?

Some of us like flaunting our accomplishments, JT. I know I do.

August 25th, 2004, 19:06	#1
C150J Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 985	Did I do something terribly wrong?? Hi all - I'm posting this here because I would appreciate some insight on my current predicament: About four or five months ago, a fairly new CFI (a little less than a year as an employee) at the flying club I'm a member of asked me if I knew of anyone with a multi-engine aircraft that might need instruction, or of anyone I could think of that might give him some multi time (I have been flying in the same area for seven years, so he knew I had some contacts). His intention was to do it on his off days, as to buff up his multi column. I then referred him to a former instructor who know operates a turbine multi-engine aircraft for an insurance company (they're now looking at buying a Citation). Low and behold, the CFI decided to leave my current flying club for a position with the gentleman I referred him to. He had about 1,000 hours or so, but his leaving the club was a little earlier than most do (around 1,500 hours). So, today, I receive a semi-stern (but fairly diplomatic) email from the chief CFI, telling me "not to be helpful like that" to his instructors, as it's "hard work to keep people." I really admire this guy (Gold Seal, great instructor, etc.), but I feel like I didn't do anything wrong. First of all, I just gave the guy a name. Second of all, if this is a better opportunity, shouldn't he take it? He had no time commitment to my flying club. What do you guys think? Basically, everyone seems to be blaming me for his departure. Isn't that HIS choice, not mine? Do you think I should withhold information from now on? Thanks for the inisght! J.

August 25th, 2004, 19:10	#2
pilot602 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: who haa Posts: 3,750	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? <ul type="square">[] Tell your chief CFI to stick it. [] If it's "so hard" keeping good people around maybe he should raise the pay rates. [] They aren't* "his" instructors. [] The CFI in question can do any thing he wants, this is still a (partly, anyway) free country.[/list] I can't believe he actually had the gall to say "don't be helpful to someone." Pardon my french, but, screw him. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] I wouldn't worry about it you did nothing* wrong. Your "chief" CFI has an ego problem.

August 25th, 2004, 19:12	#3
Minnesota_Flyer Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul Posts: 1,895	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? You didn't do anything wrong. The chief CFI is completely out of line to blame you for the fact that he lost an employee. I hope you won't hesitate to offer help to others in the future. This vocation is all about such contacts. MF Edit: And I concur completely with Pilot602's comments. Edit Edit: Also, if it's a real flying club, and you're a member, then HE is working for YOU (in a way). Don't let him forget that.

August 25th, 2004, 19:48	#4
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 17,705 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? good points all the way around! someone who tells you to "not" help someone else is only being selfish and trying to help himself...the whole point of the industry is to work your way up and he's the operator of a club and should KNOW that his employees are going to push their way to the top and become previous employees... it's a given and your not at all to blame for that!

August 25th, 2004, 20:23	#5
aviategw Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 266	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? Nuts to that Chief Instructor-- I'm assuming the CFII was a paid position in the club. If he (Gold Seal Guy) really wanted to keep his instructors, he should either pay them more or create an environment that is better for the instructors. Unless your CFI was under contract to that club, unlikely, he was well within his rights to seek employment elsewhere. Not only is this what being a pilot in the flying industry is all about, i.e., the struggle to find a good fit that allows you to actually have a life, but this is what America is all about. As an American, you are guaranteed the right to pursue happiness. Whether or not you achieve happiness is up to you. If the Gold Seal Guy persists that he really wanted to keep his instructor, ask him why he doesn't have a multi at the school. If there is a twin at the club, ask him what he did to get your CFI more hours in the multi. If I am correct that the club pays its instructors something, ask the Gold Seal Guy how his pay compared with the pay of the CFII who left. Hopefully, the Gold Seal Guy was just, perhaps reasonably, frustrated that he lost what sounds like a talented CFII. However, It doesn't make sense to have someone chew out what is basically a paying customer. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

August 25th, 2004, 20:33	#6
jjm Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 118	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? hey- I did the same thing-- almost... I sent my Cheif CFI at my old flying club an email about some job postings that I found at my school, in case he wanted to pass them on to his instructors... never heard back regarding that. Who knows... but I can definitely understand you second guessing yourself. IMHO- you didn't do anything wrong, in fact you just reinforced the fact that we all look out for each other in this field. I'm finding that out now at my new school--everyone pulls for each other, no matter who is going where or what their aspirations are. Good luck- j p.s. go check your pm C150 J

August 25th, 2004, 22:12	#7
rv7 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 252	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? You should be proud of yourself for helping that CFI land a better job. Hopefully somone can do you such a favor one day. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

August 25th, 2004, 22:14	#8
Lurker Posts: n/a	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? [In the voice of the pastor guy in "Coming to America"] "If helping people is wrong... I don't wanna be right".

August 25th, 2004, 22:31	#9
Minima-No-Contact Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Australia Posts: 233	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? [ QUOTE ] I receive a semi-stern (but fairly diplomatic) email from the chief CFI, telling me "not to be helpful like that" to his instructors, as it's "hard work to keep people." [/ QUOTE ] I'd send a semi-stern email back to him, pointing out that it is students like you keeping him in business. He needs to watch what he says. If he has a problem with his instructors moving onto better things, he is in the wrong industry.

August 25th, 2004, 22:40	#10
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,252	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? [ QUOTE ] email from the chief CFI, telling me "not to be helpful like that" to his instructors, as it's "hard work to keep people." [/ QUOTE ] Maybe this guy should take a few steps back and ask himself WHY it's so hard to keep people, especially with the industry like it is now. If he's upset about another CFI getting a better job, screw 'em. He's probably bitter it wasn't him or that you didn't tell HIM about the job so he could swipe it instead. Best of all, start looking for a new flying club. If this is how the guy treats his CFIs, I'm not sure I'd want to support that.

August 25th, 2004, 22:40	#11
Ecl!pse Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Pittsburgh, PA/Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 382	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? Sounds almost like the Chief instructor is a little jealous that he's not in the game. You did the right thing, and helped another. I wouldn't worry about it. Im young and not much experience, but it sounds to me like you did the right thing!

August 25th, 2004, 22:44	#12
viper548 Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 813	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? The chief CFI should be happy his instructors are getting hired. The chief CFI/owner of the flight school I work at encourages the instructors to advance their careers. It's good for his business too. What he should be saying is, Yeah, graduates of my flight school have gone on to work at ____company and others have gone to ____ and ____ airlines. Yeah, there is the inconvenence of having to find a new instructor, but i'm sure he's got a stack of resume's on his desk.

August 25th, 2004, 23:43	#13
C150J Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 985	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? Thanks for all of the insight, guys! It's just kind of a bummer, because I have so much respect for the guy that this is a big let-down. In fact, I felt TERRIBLE for quite some time today, as I honestly thought I did a bad thing (only after thinking about it did I realize how out of line it was). He wrote the email with a lot of tact, but after reading it several times, it is quite condenscending. I'm a 21 year old 500 hour commercial pilot, and I feel like he's trying to take me for a ride on this one - attempting to convince me that this is how the industry works, and that I cost the club a huge investment. Here is the direct phrase that really got me: " I work very hard to aquire and retain good CFIs at the club....it is our very life blood and it takes considerable effort and cost. It is unhelpful, to say the least, suggesting or encouraging their outside employment" Right now, I wish I could find another club, but I live in a small university town with no other alternatives. What makes me more nervous is the fact that I'm SURE my background investigator for law enforcement will be speaking with this gentleman about my flying credentials. I'm kind of stuck. All I can do is save the email and show it to my investigator preemptively, should he blacklist me during an interview. J.

August 25th, 2004, 23:45	#14
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? "When Networking goes bad.........." [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

August 25th, 2004, 23:48	#15
tonyw Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 15,165	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? What you did is help a fellow pilot out. Anyone who has a problem with that ought to take a LONG look in the mirror.

August 25th, 2004, 23:49	#16
JEP Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Eden Prairie, MN (KFCM) (KMSP) Posts: 10,556 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? Print off this thread and let him see it.

August 26th, 2004, 01:46	#17
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 17,705 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? that's what i'd suggest too.. have your background investigator come talk to us!

August 26th, 2004, 01:50	#18
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 39,825 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? You did everything right. If the chief pilot is trying dilligently to hold onto CFI's, he'd make it lucrative ($$$ and working conditions) for the CFI's to stay. That guy you helped land employment will be a good contact when you're looking for work.

August 27th, 2004, 07:57	#19
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? [ QUOTE ] You did everything right. If the chief pilot is trying dilligently to hold onto CFI's, he'd make it lucrative ($$$ and working conditions) for the CFI's to stay. That guy you helped land employment will be a good contact when you're looking for work. [/ QUOTE ] And even though I praised CFIs in another thread, I will now proceed to dis CFIs that flaunt a "Gold Seal." They are usually compensating for something [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] All the threads here sum it up, anyone who trys to "hold people back" is a jerk in my book.

August 27th, 2004, 09:50	#20
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,403	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? [ QUOTE ] And even though I praised CFIs in another thread, I will now proceed to dis CFIs that flaunt a "Gold Seal." [/ QUOTE ] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] If it's not there to flaunt, what is it there for? Why even get it? That's like saying that a Bronze Star recipient shouldn't wear it, but put it in a box and keep it a secret.... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

August 27th, 2004, 10:52	#21
Minnesota_Flyer Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul Posts: 1,895	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? [ QUOTE ] That's like saying that a Bronze Star recipient shouldn't wear it, but put it in a box and keep it a secret.... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Or pretend to through it over a fence. [/duck] MF

August 27th, 2004, 10:58	#22
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And even though I praised CFIs in another thread, I will now proceed to dis CFIs that flaunt a "Gold Seal." [/ QUOTE ] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] If it's not there to flaunt, what is it there for? Why even get it? That's like saying that a Bronze Star recipient shouldn't wear it, but put it in a box and keep it a secret.... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] That's my point exactly. Why even get it? IT'S USELESS. There is no other function a Gold Seal can accomplish that a straight CFI can't do.

August 27th, 2004, 11:08	#23
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 39,825 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? If I have earned a cfi gold star, I'd have certainly thrown it onto my resume!

August 27th, 2004, 11:09	#24
CaptChris Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 549	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? Guys.... give the average CFI a break. Think about the life of a CFI.... it sucks. Being a CFI for two years wouldn't be too bad... but when you're in it for the long run, you have to have AT LEAST one thing that you can put on your "The things I accomplished in life" checklist. For a CFI the gold seal is the only thing they can really get in their carreers. Imagine going into work day in and day out.... if you can make it to 2,000 hours of dual given without getting killed... the least you deserve is a "Gold Seal." Oh well, thats my take on it... On that note---I will probably be fired.

August 27th, 2004, 11:33	#25
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,403	Re: Did I do something terribly wrong?? [ QUOTE ] That's my point exactly. Why even get it? IT'S USELESS. There is no other function a Gold Seal can accomplish that a straight CFI can't do. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe so that you can flaunt your proven record of success over a given period? Some of us like flaunting our accomplishments, JT. I know I do.

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