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August 23rd, 2004, 16:09
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| Junior Member  Join Date: Sep 2003
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|  Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound I say go the non erau route. You can still get quality flight instruction you just have to find the right teacher. Having a degree gives you something else besides flying to talk about too [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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August 23rd, 2004, 16:10
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| Banned  Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] Do you want to be a linguist or a pilot? [/ QUOTE ] It's called a Back-up plan FalconCapt! [/ QUOTE ] What if there is an over abundance of linguists and she gets furloughed??? Then what will be her back up plan for her back up plan??? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/spin2.gif[/img] If you get 5 or 10 years into your career and need to "fall onto your back up plan" in a degree in something you got 10 years earlier and have never once used in the work place, what type of job do you think you are going to get? |
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August 23rd, 2004, 16:11
| #78 |
| Senior Member  Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Prescott, AZ
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] I can then get my training done at a good Part 61 school (believe it or not there are some great ones out there that would blow the doors of ERAU anyday). I would be saving thousands of dollars over going to ERAU. I would end up with a better education seen from the eyes of the working world and my flight training would be comparable if not better than flying at ERAU. [/ QUOTE ] Alright, this strikes a chord with me here. Not that I sing the praises of ERAU, but that you're making huge assumptions about the nature of flight training at particular schools without actually attending them. I also think it's bad form to start refuting senior posters (FalconCapt) based on your own beliefs, instead of your own knowledge. There are those of us that do have some legitimate problems with the ERAU flight program based upon experience. That is not an invitation to everyone else to jump on the bandwagon and start bashing ERAU based upon what they've heard. This doesn't just apply to ERAU, but to every flight school out there. If I just started bashing DCA (I've never attended) without actual experience there, what would that make me? Guys, stick to what you know and not what you believe. |
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August 23rd, 2004, 16:13
| #79 |
| Senior Member  Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Chicago, ILL.
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound cristlfliesagain - Another option you have if you want a Riddle education is their on-line degree program. You could work full-time fly at an F.B.O. and do your degree on-line. I believe their on-line program is less than $ 30,000 just something else to think about. |
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August 23rd, 2004, 16:17
| #80 |
| Old Skool  Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland
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   | Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] What if there is an over abundance of linguists and she gets furloughed??? Then what will be her back up plan for her back up plan??? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/spin2.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] She said she might get a degree in Arabic. Get that, and the CIA, FBI, homeland security, and about a dozen other government agencies would be falling all over themselve to hire her as badly as way too many people here are falling all over themselves to hit on her. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] |
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August 23rd, 2004, 16:19
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| Big Chief's Woman  | Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] Would you guys quit acting like 13 year olds? This hitting on Cristl thing IN EVERY THREAD SHE POSTS IN! is getting really REALLY old. Grow up, there are female pilots out there and *gasp* some of them might be attractive! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ]see - doug was wondering who would be the first to mention how catty the guys are getting! hahaha no worries cristl, us girls will protect you at Network JC - and of course, your boyfriend is always welcome to help out with that too... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] |
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August 23rd, 2004, 16:20
| #82 |
| Senior Member  Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Space Shuttle
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I can then get my training done at a good Part 61 school (believe it or not there are some great ones out there that would blow the doors of ERAU anyday). I would be saving thousands of dollars over going to ERAU. I would end up with a better education seen from the eyes of the working world and my flight training would be comparable if not better than flying at ERAU. [/ QUOTE ] Alright, this strikes a chord with me here. Not that I sing the praises of ERAU, but that you're making huge assumptions about the nature of flight training at particular schools without actually attending them. I also think it's bad form to start refuting senior posters (FalconCapt) based on your own beliefs, instead of your own knowledge. There are those of us that do have some legitimate problems with the ERAU flight program based upon experience. That is not an invitation to everyone else to jump on the bandwagon and start bashing ERAU based upon what they've heard. This doesn't just apply to ERAU, but to every flight school out there. If I just started bashing DCA (I've never attended) without actual experience there, what would that make me? Guys, stick to what you know and not what you believe. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not specifically talking about ERAU, I should of made it more clear that I Was talking about all Academy schools like UND, ERAU, and Etc.. I am talking from my experience, My experience from going to a 61 school and going to school at a community college and University. Your saying that I'm not allowed to tell it how I see it?? I'm showing the other side! There is always two sides. People should be informed of them both. You get people like FalconCapt, saying that ERAU is the way to go and He refutes everything else pretty much. I'm showing that there is another way, most of the Time it's cheaper and at the end of the day you'll have the same stuff flying the same freakin plane! I have nothing against FalconCapt. or anyone more senior than me. I'm just speaking the Other Truth. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Is there something wrong with that? |
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August 23rd, 2004, 16:20
| #83 |
| Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ??
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] cristlfliesagain - Another option you have if you want a Riddle education is their on-line degree program. You could work full-time fly at an F.B.O. and do your degree on-line. I believe their on-line program is less than $ 30,000 just something else to think about. [/ QUOTE ] If you're disciplined enough to actually go through with it, this is the way to go, IMO. Its worked out fantastic for me. Same piece of paper, cheaper than going there, and you can fly full-time while working on it. Build your flight time at jobs where you don't need the degree to get in anyways, then by the time you get the degree done, you'll have some good flight time and many more options. |
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August 23rd, 2004, 16:26
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| Big Chief's Woman | Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Finance, Japanese, or Arabic, along with flight training....this could be fun....whatdya guys think? [/ QUOTE ] Do you want to be a linguist or a pilot? [/ QUOTE ]why can't she be both? |
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August 23rd, 2004, 16:40
| #85 |
| Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA
Posts: 489
| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound Honestly Crystal, If you are this indecisive at this point in time then you probably chose to go to Riddle on a whim and not as a truely whole hearted, well thought out, fact laden decision... Riddle has a tremendous drop-out rate, not because it is overly difficult, but simply because people find out going there is a lot more than heading to the airport everyday and flying around all day, they simply can't afford it or they decide aviation isn't for them... On my first day at orientation the Chancellor welcomed us and said "Look at the person to your left, to your right, in front of you and behind you... If YOU are here on graduation day, they won't be..." We all laughed and were thinking "yeah, right"... He was right... To answer your earlier question... When I went to Riddle, I spent just under $80k for all four years including my tuition, room & board, flight training (through CFI-MEI, did CFI at ERAU, CFI-I and CFI-ME at local flight school), spending money, travel money, incidentals, etc... Everything included... At a 3% annual rate of inflation, that is equivalent to paying about $120k today... Obviously their tuition has outpaced inflation, but so has every other college... Last year the average PRIVATE University tuition was $19,710 (up 6% from the previous year)(Source: CollegeBoard.com) ... Add another 6% for this year and the average will be $20,893 (for the 2004-2005 school year)... Tuition at ERAU for the 2004-2005 school year is $21,530 which is only $637/year more (about 3% more) than the National Average for a PRIVATE University... An interesting note is that Public School tuition went up 14% year over year... )(Source: CollegeBoard.com) The estimated annual Flight Training Costs at Riddle are quoted at $10,000 per year (Source: ERAU Costs), which means about $40,000 for all of your ratings... When I worked at a Part 61 flight school 13 years ago we used to quote people $25,000 - $28,000 for all of your ratings which is equal to $36,713 - $41,119 in today's dollars ($25,000 - $28,000 increased 3% (inflation) for 13 years)... We were WAY cheaper than schools like American Flyers, ComAir, Flight Safety, etc... As you can see if you compare the costs of a PRIVATE University education and add in the costs of flight training, Riddle isn't that far off the mark... I am in no way saying it is cheap, but when you compare apples to apples they aren't that over priced... The main cost difference comes from Riddle being a Private University... When comparing costs, you really should compare apples to apples if you want an accurate representation of costs... If you really want to get down to brass tacks, why even get a degree, there are a lot of flying jobs out there that don't require one... Just think of all the money you could save! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/spin2.gif[/img] The irony of all this is that most of the guys on this board who are enjoying a successful aviation career are ERAU Graduates... Food for thought... |
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August 23rd, 2004, 16:44
| #86 |
| Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] She said she might get a degree in Arabic. Get that, and the CIA, FBI, homeland security, and about a dozen other government agencies would be falling all over themselve to hire her [/ QUOTE ] Until the next major terrorist attack comes from a Russian, or Slovak or somewhere else... Then what??? See what I am saying, there is no 100% safe back up plan... Well short of winning the lottery... |
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August 23rd, 2004, 16:48
| #87 |
| Old Skool  Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound Well you should like the girl to guy ratio in Prescott from what I hear! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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August 23rd, 2004, 16:57
| #88 |
| Old Skool  Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: who haa
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] he irony of all this is that most of the guys on this board who are enjoying a successful aviation career are ERAU Graduates... Food for thought... [/ QUOTE ] Hmmm guess I should have my father (a 24,600+hr Ozark/TWA capt. [ret.]) haul butt up to Prescott and get his degree (he doesn't have one) ... other wise his career won't have been a success. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Just giving you a hard time but seriously ... you don't have to be an ERAU grad to be a "success" in aviation. Plain and simple. |
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August 23rd, 2004, 16:59
| #89 |
| Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] Hmmm guess I should have my father (a 24,600+hr Ozark/TWA capt. [ret.]) haul butt up to Prescott and get his degree (he doesn't have one) ... other wise his career won't have been a success. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Times were VERY different when your father was coming up through the ranks... Just ask him... [ QUOTE ] Just giving you a hard time but seriously ... you don't have to be an ERAU grad to be a "success" in aviation. Plain and simple. [/ QUOTE ] I never said you did, that is precisely why I said the "irony" of all this... |
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August 23rd, 2004, 17:00
| #90 |
| Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Space Shuttle
Posts: 620
| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] the irony of all this is that most of the guys on this board who are enjoying a successful aviation career are ERAU Graduates... Food for thought... [/ QUOTE ] Or it's just that most of the ERAU grads are Computer geeks. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] |
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August 23rd, 2004, 17:01
| #91 |
| Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] Or it's just that most of the ERAU grads are Computer geeks. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] That could very well be... (From a self-professed computer geek!) |
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August 23rd, 2004, 18:04
| #92 |
| Senior Member  Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] If I just started bashing DCA (I've never attended) without actual experience there, what would that make me? [/ QUOTE ] A regional airline pilot. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/insane.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/insane.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/insane.gif[/img] Been to flightinfo's boards lately? Instant experts abound. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img] [ QUOTE ] On my first day at orientation the Chancellor welcomed us and said "Look at the person to your left, to your right, in front of you and behind you... If YOU are here on graduation day, they won't be..." We all laughed and were thinking "yeah, right"... [/ QUOTE ] Very true. Somehow, the guy sitting on my left and I actually did last 5 years and did graduate, albeit in a different major. However, from an incoming class of about 500, only about 150 of us graduated. Excellent point to make. |
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August 23rd, 2004, 18:12
| #93 |
| Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] from an incoming class of about 500, only about 150 of us graduated. Excellent point to make. [/ QUOTE ] That is also very interesting... From my class, we had a 68% drop-out rate from Day 1 Freshman Year to Graduation... Looks like you guys had about the identical rate (approx. 70%)... Obviously that Chancellor statement held true years later as well... |
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August 23rd, 2004, 18:22
| #94 |
| Junior Member  Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: CSG
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound subject post #246 |
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August 23rd, 2004, 18:22
| #95 |
| Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland
Posts: 15,166
| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound I know, I'm playing with you. Truth is, there really isn't such a thing as a safe job anymore. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] |
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August 23rd, 2004, 18:25
| #96 |
| Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] [From my class, we had a 68% drop-out rate from Day 1 Freshman Year to Graduation... Looks like you guys had about the identical rate (approx. 70%)... [/ QUOTE ] Tracking who made it and who didn't wasn't easy, so that's just a guestimate, though I think it's pretty close. From the 500 or so of us to start in Fall '89, some graduated in 3 years, some in 4, some of us [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] in 5. I think when I finally walked in Spring '94, there were about 40 or so who started when I did. |
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August 23rd, 2004, 18:45
| #97 |
| Old Skool  Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Frigid NWA Hub
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] On my first day at orientation the Chancellor welcomed us and said "Look at the person to your left, to your right, in front of you and behind you... If YOU are here on graduation day, they won't be..." We all laughed and were thinking "yeah, right"... [/ QUOTE ] Wow. You just described my freshman convocation. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/buck.gif[/img] |
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August 23rd, 2004, 19:24
| #98 |
| Old Skool  Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portland, Orygun
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound FalconCapt, Why does ERAU even pay recruiters when they can just have you for free? |
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August 23rd, 2004, 19:35
| #99 |
| Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] FalconCapt, Why does ERAU even pay recruiters when they can just have you for free? [/ QUOTE ] Who said they aren't paying me??? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I'm not singing the praises of ERAU, just bringing out some simple facts and figures that often times get swept under the carpet by comparings apples to oranges... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/spin2.gif[/img] |
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August 23rd, 2004, 19:36
| #100 |
| Junior Member  Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Saint Cloud, MN USA
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] If you are this indecisive at this point in time then you probably chose to go to Riddle on a whim and not as a truely whole hearted, well thought out, fact laden decision... [/ QUOTE ] I have had my heart set on ERAU for two straight years, and went to the State University of New York to make obnoxiously good grades and show their board of admissions what I was made of. Every few sentences that passed out of my mouth had to do with either flying or ERAU. I like to say I'm a very informed person, so I won't touch your saying I may not have all the facts! (If I missed anything, I will find out!) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] So the ASU plan is there. I just went and got my first ever FAA Medical Exam, and the people I met there were very encouraging to me. I'm still packing my bags as we speak for Embry-Riddle, and once there will push as hard as I can to see to it that I stay. If not, and if the kitten plan doesn't work, ASU + FBO will be one of the many options I will have left over. I'm not sitting here dying of a flesh-eating virus. As long as that doesn't happen, I'm happy. |
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