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August 23rd, 2004, 10:12
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  |  Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound  This is great entertainment, us old married chicks don't get this kind of attention! |
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August 23rd, 2004, 10:21
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] I remember that day in August of '89 when I first got there. Inside of Prescott city limits was a grand total of five traffic lights. That's it. Should have bought property back then. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Should have been there in August '86... The town changed a LOT in just the three years until you guys got there... The Sheraton on the hill wasn't there, 5 points still existed, Roberts Road wasn't even paved all the way to 89a, 89a was in the middle of no where, Chino Valley didn't have any traffic lights, the ONLY stop light between Prescott and Phoenix was Roberts Rd. and after Labor Day all the tourists left... Ah, the good 'ol days! |
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August 23rd, 2004, 10:40
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Park City, UT
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] Now how will we know that they're attractive if we don't see their pictures? Or are you saying these guys should get used to it? [/ QUOTE ] that's exactly what i'm saying. Guys should get used to it, and what difference does it make if she's attractive? She's a (potential) coworker, she's taken, and could kick your ass (as pointed out by tonyw) |
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August 23rd, 2004, 10:43
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| Agent Smith  | Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] that's exactly what i'm saying. Guys should get used to it, and what difference does it make if she's attractive? She's a (potential) coworker, she's taken, and could kick your ass (as pointed out by tonyw) [/ QUOTE ] You said it better than I. |
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August 23rd, 2004, 11:37
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] so in the aviation field if I spend 150K to go to a big Av school and /or spend 80K to get a 4 year degree in something else, and get all my ratings, (yes I estimated it would cost around that), the 150K would be wlel worth it? [/ QUOTE ] $150,000 for an aviation degree is worth it? You have got to be kidding me. If thats what it costs to get your ratings/degree at riddle then thats way overpriced. You can get a degree and all your ratings for 1/5 of that or less if you get creative. Thats just straight up highway robbery. |
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August 23rd, 2004, 11:42
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Would you guys quit acting like 13 year olds? This hitting on Cristl thing IN EVERY THREAD SHE POSTS IN! is getting really REALLY old. Grow up, there are female pilots out there and *gasp* some of them might be attractive! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] sounds like someones been bittin by the Jealousy bug... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/spin2.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/spin2.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/spin2.gif[/img] just kidding!. The only 13 year old I know in here is BJ (lol Brian Jesus He-ez-e-us), and CitationKid, and ive never heared or seen them hit on a girl, I wonder why......*shrugs* [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] by the way Cristl, as I said, try to get a grant, theres pleanty I mean pleanty of them to go around....try the link I gave you, peace and heres one for ya'. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bandit.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] No, I do that but don't think an online aviation forum is the place. I do that in school and in the movies. You choose to do it in an aviation forum, I don't. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] |
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August 23rd, 2004, 11:44
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] so in the aviation field if I spend 150K to go to a big Av school and /or spend 80K to get a 4 year degree in something else, and get all my ratings, (yes I estimated it would cost around that), the 150K would be wlel worth it? [/ QUOTE ] $150,000 for an aviation degree is worth it? You have got to be kidding me. If thats what it costs to get your ratings/degree at riddle then thats way overpriced. You can get a degree and all your ratings for 1/5 of that or less if you get creative. Thats just straight up highway robbery. [/ QUOTE ] More than that.....almost $160,000. See here. The sad part is that we all know the tuition will go up each year, so we're not even looking at the total price. Add another $5000 to be on the safe side..... |
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August 23rd, 2004, 11:55
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| Agent Smith | Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] No, I do that but don't think an online aviation forum is the place. I do that in school and in the movies. You choose to do it in an aviation forum, I don't. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Very well said! |
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August 23rd, 2004, 12:01
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] More than that.....almost $160,000. See here. The sad part is that we all know the tuition will go up each year, so we're not even looking at the total price. Add another $5000 to be on the safe side..... [/ QUOTE ] I agree ERAU is becoming way over-priced (I spent less than half of that amount to go to ERAU, and that included ALL of my expenses for the 4 years (travel, spending cash, incidentals, etc...) Every last dollar...) But here is the problem, there are still people willing to pay for it, so Riddle will keep raising their rates... It is EXACTLY the same problem at the regionals, as long as people are willing to fly for such crap pay, the Regionals will continue to pay crap rates... But hey, you get to fly airplanes! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img] And the band plays on... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cwm27.gif[/img] |
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August 23rd, 2004, 12:03
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound And the band plays on... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cwm27.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] The band ERAU doesn't have. They call themselves a band. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] |
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August 23rd, 2004, 12:09
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| Old Skool  Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portland, Orygun
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound Cristl, How do you plan on paying all those enormous loans of once you get out? Assuming everything goes as planned: You'll probably CFI for 2 years while making about $10-14 grand a year. Then when you get hired at a regional you ll spend the next 3 years making 16-32 grand a year. If you do make it to a major assuming someone will even be hiring your first few years will be in the low 50s. The days of the $250 grand captains are over and done with. I dont know how you are planning to pay off a 130,000 dollar debt on those kinda wages? |
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August 23rd, 2004, 13:34
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] Too bad they got rid of that 5-way intersection of Iron Springs/Willow Creek/ whatever the name of the other roads were. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 5 points still existed, Roberts Road wasn't even paved all the way to 89a, 89a was in the middle of no where, Chino Valley didn't have any traffic lights, the ONLY stop light between Prescott and Phoenix was Roberts Rd. Ah, the good 'ol days! [/ QUOTE ] Actually it was that way in '89, too. I knew the Sheraton went up right before we got there, and wasn't 69 only two lanes from Prescott to I-17? Think they had finished making it 4 lanes to PV by the time we were there. 5 points ... what a mess. Yes, those were the good ol' days. I miss them sometimes. |
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August 23rd, 2004, 14:21
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| Junior Member  Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Saint Cloud, MN USA
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound I'm nowhere in the neighborhood of $130,000-$150,000 of debt by the time I graduate. Given my current federal aid and scholarships, I should hold about $40,000 of debt under my belt, and THAT'S if I don't find anymore scholarships or grants (not likely!). I'm not going to sit around with my thumb where the sun don't shine, watching the debt build up. Believe me, I realize the responsibility I'm taking on here, and will use all the energy I can toward getting money for school that I don't have to pay back. Second, I learned long ago that one cannot completely depend on paychecks alone. Money doesn't work that way anymore. Alas, that is a different thread! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/spin2.gif[/img] |
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August 23rd, 2004, 14:47
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Space Shuttle
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] More than that.....almost $160,000. See here. The sad part is that we all know the tuition will go up each year, so we're not even looking at the total price. Add another $5000 to be on the safe side..... [/ QUOTE ] I agree ERAU is becoming way over-priced (I spent less than half of that amount to go to ERAU, and that included ALL of my expenses for the 4 years (travel, spending cash, incidentals, etc...) Every last dollar...) But here is the problem, there are still people willing to pay for it, so Riddle will keep raising their rates... It is EXACTLY the same problem at the regionals, as long as people are willing to fly for such crap pay, the Regionals will continue to pay crap rates... But hey, you get to fly airplanes! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img] And the band plays on... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cwm27.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Hmmm.. If I recall correctly FalconCapt, you said that you "Get what you pay for" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] So with that logic the more you pay the better.. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img] |
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August 23rd, 2004, 15:06
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| Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] Hmmm.. If I recall correctly FalconCapt, you said that you "Get what you pay for" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] So with that logic the more you pay the better.. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Not necessarily... What I am indicating is that just because your ticket has the same ratings on it doesn't mean you necessarily received comparable training... Trust me, the FBO route leaves out a LOT of stuff that the large 141 schools cover... I trained at Riddle but worked at a small part 61 school... I have seen both sides of the equation... Keep in mind when comparing the cost of Riddle to other options... The best way to compare this is to price out Flight Training at a Large Part 141 School (Say perhaps the Flight Safety Academy) and then add in the cost of a Bachelor's Degree at a National Renowed PRIVATE University... My guess is you won't see that much of a cost disparity... |
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August 23rd, 2004, 15:21
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] More than that.....almost $160,000. See here. The sad part is that we all know the tuition will go up each year, so we're not even looking at the total price. Add another $5000 to be on the safe side..... [/ QUOTE ] Wow that much for an aviation education nowadays?? Thats just lewd, lascivious, salacious, outrageous!!! All they have to do now is let someone fly an actual jet for 2 or 3 hours and maybe they can double the price..... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cwm27.gif[/img] |
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August 23rd, 2004, 15:27
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] Not necessarily... What I am indicating is that just because your ticket has the same ratings on it doesn't mean you necessarily received comparable training... Trust me, the FBO route leaves out a LOT of stuff that the large 141 schools cover... I trained at Riddle but worked at a small part 61 school... I have seen both sides of the equation... [/ QUOTE ] From your experience that might be true, but that is definitely not the case for ALL flight schools. There's always two sides to the situation. It seems like when you say something it's fact. I believe in most situations that you can get better training at a Part 61 school than going to ERAU! The difference in Cost would be quite significant. [ QUOTE ] Keep in mind when comparing the cost of Riddle to other options... The best way to compare this is to price out Flight Training at a Large Part 141 School (Say perhaps the Flight Safety Academy) and then add in the cost of a Bachelor's Degree at a National Renowed PRIVATE University... My guess is you won't see that much of a cost disparity... [/ QUOTE ] When comparing it like that your probably right. But I can go to a state school(UCLA, Berkeley, Cal Poly, etc.) and get a better education than ERAU. I bet my state school will have a better reputation in the working world too. Better yet I can go to Community college for the first two years and save a butt load of money, live at home and then go off to a world renowned California State School! I can then get my training done at a good Part 61 school (believe it or not there are some great ones out there that would blow the doors of ERAU anyday). I would be saving thousands of dollars over going to ERAU. I would end up with a better education seen from the eyes of the working world and my flight training would be comparable if not better than flying at ERAU. Just something to think about. There is always another side . But again one side isn't the "be all". Not trying to create any problems. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] Cheers |
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August 23rd, 2004, 15:43
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| Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Saint Cloud, MN USA
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound Wow, this changes a lot... I looked at Arizona State University's web site a little...first off, they have a Japanese language degree program (anyone that knows me knows that I'm a foreign language freak). Second, if I got Arizona state residency, my bill would be cut immensely. Third, I wouldn't have to live in dorms. I would be able to work and actually throw money into savings until January (my expected entrance date if I made this move), and then federal aid alone could cover my costs. If I get scholarships, too, I could run into overrages with aid, and use those to pay off any federal loans I had to pay back! On the side, once I know how to balance the finances, I could go out and get some flight training I was attracted to ERAU because of their industry connections. But, after talking with some of you JCers, I can see that I don't need any help with those connections! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Smilecrunch.gif[/img] Falconcapt, how much did ERAU cost when you went? It sucks that they keep hiking tuition, too... Finance, Japanese, or Arabic, along with flight training....this could be fun....whatdya guys think? |
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August 23rd, 2004, 15:59
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| Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] Finance, Japanese, or Arabic, along with flight training....this could be fun....whatdya guys think? [/ QUOTE ] Do you want to be a linguist or a pilot? |
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August 23rd, 2004, 16:00
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] Wow, this changes a lot... I looked at Arizona State University's web site a little...first off, they have a Japanese language degree program (anyone that knows me knows that I'm a foreign language freak). Second, if I got Arizona state residency, my bill would be cut immensely. Third, I wouldn't have to live in dorms. I would be able to work and actually throw money into savings until January (my expected entrance date if I made this move), and then federal aid alone could cover my costs. If I get scholarships, too, I could run into overrages with aid, and use those to pay off any federal loans I had to pay back! On the side, once I know how to balance the finances, I could go out and get some flight training I was attracted to ERAU because of their industry connections. But, after talking with some of you JCers, I can see that I don't need any help with those connections! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Smilecrunch.gif[/img] Falconcapt, how much did ERAU cost when you went? It sucks that they keep hiking tuition, too... Finance, Japanese, or Arabic, along with flight training....this could be fun....whatdya guys think? [/ QUOTE ] Cristl, I think you should do that. Think of the money you will save. You will also have your degree in Lang. as a back up. I'm glad you are finally seeing the light, just go towards it now. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Other people need to take off the blinders around here too! |
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August 23rd, 2004, 16:02
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: who haa
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] Trust me, the FBO route leaves out a LOT of stuff that the large 141 schools cover... I trained at Riddle but worked at a small part 61 school... I have seen both sides of the equation... [/ QUOTE ] So .. you worked at/trained at every FBO in the nation? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] Just because it's a "big" 141 school doesn't mean it's any better (or worse, for that matter) than a mom and pop FBO. Besides the real "learning" happens in that time between 250 hours (commercial/CFI ratings) and that first "big" job at 1,200+/- hours. That stuff no school can teach you. [ QUOTE ] Finance, Japanese, or Arabic, along with flight training....this could be fun....whatdya guys think? [/ QUOTE ] I'm a brig fan of the FBO route ... it's as good (or bad) as you, the student, make it. Want to "learn as much as the ERAU" guys? Go buy the same books they're reading and have at it. Speaking of students ... ahem ... my schedule is awfully barren (and that's a blatant plug at trying to get a student! nothing more nothing less) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] |
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August 23rd, 2004, 16:02
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Finance, Japanese, or Arabic, along with flight training....this could be fun....whatdya guys think? [/ QUOTE ] Do you want to be a linguist or a pilot? [/ QUOTE ] It's called a Back-up plan FalconCapt! |
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August 23rd, 2004, 16:05
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Trust me, the FBO route leaves out a LOT of stuff that the large 141 schools cover... I trained at Riddle but worked at a small part 61 school... I have seen both sides of the equation... [/ QUOTE ] So .. you worked at/trained at every FBO in the nation? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] Just because it's a "big" 141 school doesn't mean it's any better (or worse, for that matter) than a mom and pop FBO. Besides the real "learning" happens in that time between 250 hours (commercial/CFI ratings) and that first "big" job at 1,200+/- hours. That stuff no school can teach you. [ QUOTE ] Finance, Japanese, or Arabic, along with flight training....this could be fun....whatdya guys think? [/ QUOTE ] I'm a brig fan of the FBO route ... it's as good (or bad) as you, the student, make it. Want to "learn as much as the ERAU" guys? Go buy the same books they're reading and have at it. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly My point Pilot602, thanks for refining my post! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] |
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August 23rd, 2004, 16:05
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| Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound CaptainMatt, How much experience do you have with Riddles education and flight program? How many Part 61 flight schools have your dealt with? You made some generalizations only to follow them up with terms like "I believe in most situations that you can get better training at a Part 61 school than going to ERAU!" I have never seen a Part 61 flight school teach courses in Meteorology, Aircraft Systems, Navigation, Engines, Flight Physiology, Aeronautics, Aerodynamics, Aircraft Performance, Advanced Avionics, Global Navigation, Crew Resource Management, Safety, Accident Investigation, etc... All depends on how much you want to learn... |
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August 23rd, 2004, 16:07
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| Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Saint Cloud, MN USA
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| Re: Five Days and Still Panic Abound [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Finance, Japanese, or Arabic, along with flight training....this could be fun....whatdya guys think? [/ QUOTE ] Do you want to be a linguist or a pilot? [/ QUOTE ] A pilot that works in Japan! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/buck.gif[/img] Just another idea... I would know about reading the same books, as I homeschooled! I have a pretty good knack for learning what I need to and utilizing the best resources. Robert Kiyosaki (Spelling?) would kill me if he saw my projected income-to-debt ratio when I graduate ERAU. Even if it's $40,000, and not $140,000. |
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