Can't wait to get to the regionals??? - Page 2

ready2fly · August 16th, 2004, 16:05

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I agree, my next job after instructing was as a King Air/Lear F/O for a 135 Charter Company... My starting pay (day 1) was $28,000/year (in 1994 dollars, roughly $37,600 in 2004 dollars)... After 4 months I upgraded to King Air Captain and my pay went to $33,000/year (in 1994 dollars, roughly $44,300 in 2004 dollars)...

I didn't know anyone at the company, just was persistent...

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And I have a TON of options like that down here that I'll be pursuing down the road a bit after I build up some time/experience instructing.

I will be the second oldest CFI when I get my cert. next to the Chief Pilot. And I'll be the only one with a family.

All the rest of them are young, living at home or in some hole in the wall - and are chomping at the bit to get to the regionals. So, hopefully, that'll leave some of the charter jobs open for moi.

Time will tell.

jonnyb · August 16th, 2004, 16:13

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All the rest of them are young, living at home or in some hole in the wall - and are chomping at the bit to get to the regionals. So, hopefully, that'll leave some of the charter jobs open for moi.

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Hell ya boiee !! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] And if you don't find something in Florhellda, we'll get you something out here in the promised land. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

ready2fly · August 16th, 2004, 16:35

WORD! That's what I'm talkin' `bout brothaman!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

FalconCapt · August 16th, 2004, 17:23

I posted this thread not create a big controversy, but to open the eyes to the realities of this career and profession... I wanted to put things into perspective so that you go into this profession well informed and knowledgable not with your head in the clouds, or worse, up your a$$....

Many of you younger folks (and this site is chock full of you guys) are wearing rose colored glasses, dreaming of the day you'll get to fly a jet... It is very easy to say money doens't matter when you are living at home with mom & dad and they are paying nearly all of your expenses... But when the day comes (and it WILL come) when Mom & Dad give you the boot and tell you to stand on your own 2 feet, you will quickly realize that:

"flying a jet" doesn't pay the rent... Money does...
"flying a jet" doesn't pay for food... Money does...
"flying a jet" doesn't pay the utilities... Money does...
"flying a jet" doesn't buy you things... Money does...
"flying a jet" doesn't pay the car payment... Money does...
"flying a jet" doesn't pay the student loans... Money does...

While other career fields have seen their wages steadily increase (at least at the rate of cost of living increases)... MANY pilot jobs (i.e. Regionals) have seen their wages deteriorate... Some of you are right, until there is truely a qualified pilot shortage you will not see wages increase, because there is always some knucklehead who will work for less, just to fly a jet...

Before you jump into this career, make sure you get as informaed as your can, about ALL the aspects... Don't ignore the bad parts (furloughs, pay cuts, union battles, QoL issues, Scope, etc...) they aren't going away... If you ignore them, once you are here it will be that much harder to turn around and do something else...

Don't get me wrong, this job is rewarding, but it certainly isn't for everyone, even if you just absolutely love to fly... Being a Professional Pilot goes FAR, FAR beyond manipulating the controls of a flying machine...

pilot602 · August 16th, 2004, 17:35

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Before you jump into this career, make sure you get as informaed as your can, about ALL the aspects...

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That goes for any career ... especially ones that take a lot of time/expense to get qualified to perform.

Cherokee_Cruiser · August 16th, 2004, 19:11

Case 1: A big point is that when interns or management f*@k up an airline, they can simply 'jump-ship' and go someplace else, no harm done.

Case 2: Where pilots and flight attendants alike, once they get screwed over at a major airline, there's no where else to go... unless they agree to start at a new airline, at the bottom of the seniority with first year pay.

Case 1 example: After Don CAArty screwed over all labor groups at American Airlines, he "resigns." Where's he at now you ask? A board member at HAAwaiian Airlines!!!

Case 2 example: TWA pilots. Need I say more?

FalconCapt · August 16th, 2004, 19:19

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That goes for any career ... especially ones that take a lot of time/expense to get qualified to perform.

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ABSOLUTELY! Unfortunately perspective pilots are more often than not lulled into thinking what a great career it is that they never look further than the glossy brochures from the Flight School they have choosen...

A good web site shouldn't encourage or discourage people from particular careers, it should offer as much ACCURATE information about the career as possible...

Kingairer · August 17th, 2004, 01:44

A break from all the corporate/charter cheerleading to get a different view....

First off, Charter/corporate, and yes I know there is a difference, jobs can be hard to come by, especially in certain areas. Alot of times, and Most of the time they hire less people, ( in comparison to airlines), and so they typcially hire from the good ole boy system. If you brand new to an area, it could be tough to find work intially. Or possibly you're in a pilot saturated such as Florida.

I really don't see the types of charter outfits out there that have the rosy lives. Im not saying they arent out there, im saying that in my expereince they are not the norm. I used to work in a non flying position for a Charter Operation. There pilots were not paid well, tied to a pager, flew crap equipment, into crap weather. Typicaly trips were to fly about 1 hr or so away, sit all day and fly back.

Corporate flying can be nice and different. Some can be close to a scheduled operation and can be lucrative. But a 1000 hour CFI most likely isnt going to land in the right seat of a G5 unless his last name is the last name of the owner.

Some airline perks...
Set Schedule
No pressure to fly broke airplanes
Seniority System(upgrades based on seniorty and not a favorite)
Travel Benefits...HUGE!
Contracted Pay Scale
Work Rules Contract (Union airlines)

jdflight · August 17th, 2004, 01:47

Travel bennies are the predominant factor for me at this point in my life and career. Were it not for those, I might sing a different tune.

FalconCapt · August 17th, 2004, 01:53

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a 1000 hour CFI most likely isnt going to land in the right seat of a G5 unless his last name is the last name of the owner.

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A 1000 hour CFI sin't going to sit in the right seat of a 737 either... You are kind of comparing apples to oranges here...

I don't think this was a "Charter/Corporate Cheerleading Session"... The point of the thread was to make people aware at how poorly the regionals are paying vs' "average" other jobs... Such as the Airport Management INTERN who makes more than virtually any Regional right seater...

And the travel benefits of an airline might be useful when you are single, but have you tried getting a family to and from a vacation using them??? You'd spend a good portion of your vacation trying to get to and from where you are going...

Kingairer · August 17th, 2004, 01:54

A 1000Hr CFI can sit, and do sit in RJs though.

jdflight · August 17th, 2004, 01:55

Well, I'm single. So that settles that question! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bandit.gif[/img]

FalconCapt · August 17th, 2004, 02:00

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A 1000Hr CFI can sit, and do sit in RJs though.

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Yes they do, for $18,000/year...

1000 hr CFI's can sit and do sit in Lears too... However, typically for somewhere in the $30,000-$40,000 range...

kellwolf · August 17th, 2004, 02:09

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A 1000Hr CFI can sit, and do sit in RJs though.

Yes they do, for $18,000/year...

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You also have to look at it from this stand point. How much were they making as CFIs? I bet that 18K is a big step up. I just barely made more than that as a SWA ramper last year, and that was with gobs of OT.

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1000 hr CFI's can sit and do sit in Lears too... However, typically for somewhere in the $30,000-$40,000 range...

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Those with major connections, yes. It's just easier to get that regional job than that cushy corporate/charter job. If I had my choice, I'd take the corporate route in a heartbeat. Since I don't really have a lot of connections there, but I do have several in the airline sector, guess where my choices lie.

jdflight · August 17th, 2004, 02:10

Actually, for a lot of CFIs who've been instructing for a year or two, first year regional pay is a step down. It was for all of my roommates, and it will be for me. Not a big one, but a step down.

Kingairer · August 17th, 2004, 02:14

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A 1000Hr CFI can sit, and do sit in RJs though.

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Yes they do, for $18,000/year...

1000 hr CFI's can sit and do sit in Lears too... However, typically for somewhere in the $30,000-$40,000 range...

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If someone is a 1000hr CFI and holding out for 40,000 a year start pay in a lear, they could be holding out for a long time. Those jobs are out there im sure, but I would say they are hard to come by.

FalconCapt · August 17th, 2004, 02:17

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You also have to look at it from this stand point. How much were they making as CFIs? I bet that 18K is a big step up.

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One (of many reasons) I didn't go to the regionals myself is I didn't want to take the pay cut (Would have been about a $7,000/year paycut to go to a regional)... There are a lot of CFI's out there who are making Regional F/O pay or better...

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1000 hr CFI's can sit and do sit in Lears too...

Those with major connections, yes.

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Again, this is not true... I know a LOT of CFI's who have move on from instructing into a Charter job... Most did not have any kind of connection inside the company they got hired with... Where do you think Charter Operations get their new pilots??? Same place as the Regionals do... CFI's... I myself went from CFIing in C-172's and a Duchess to the right seat of a Lear 35 and King Air... No connections at my company, just persistence...

FalconCapt · August 17th, 2004, 02:22

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If someone is a 1000hr CFI and holding out for 40,000 a year start pay in a lear, they could be holding out for a long time. Those jobs are out there im sure, but I would say they are hard to come by.

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Yes, it might take longer to get a Charter job than on with a Regional... But while you are waiting, you are most likely making at least Regional F/O pay as a CFI and when you make the move you will be making about double Regional F/O pay...

Again, this isn't the point of this thread, the point is that compared to other "average" jobs out there, Regional F/O pay is miserable... and it will stay miserable as long as there are people out there who say "I just wanna fly a jet" or "I do it because I love to fly, I don't care about money" or "Well it beats flying a 172"... These are the same guys who after 6 months at the Regionals are bitching about QoL and pay issues and can't figure out why life isn't improving...

Kingairer · August 17th, 2004, 02:26

18K as a CFI....I think I made 10K, Maybe. No benefits, at all.

18K first year, At some place maybe a little more. Second year, Much more. Upgrade anywhere from 1.5 years-4 years and your doing much better.

We are both trying for the same goal, of painting a realistic picture out there for those moving up, and Im just giving you what Ive seen Im sure you're doing the same.

n77j · August 17th, 2004, 02:36

Falcon Capt.,
-Good point-young people should be aware of flying for the airlines-as you get older MONEY is your best friend not the REGIONALS.

-IMO-most people choose Regionals because requirements are much easier than any Corporate job. I work in the Corporate field and most of the pilots that i deal with are ex-military pilots.

-Not all Corporate companies pay good-in fact most of them are as low as a Regional career. The ones that pay good are hard to get in unless you really have a good netwrok.

-Corporate pilots have one of the worst schedules i have ever seen. I have seen some pilots leave their home base for two or three weeks-sucks.

Therefore, i don't think anyone can enjoy the flying career until they reach..uhm..uhmm..should i say about 40-50 when they get to the Majors- [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

FalconCapt · August 17th, 2004, 02:39

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18K as a CFI....I think I made 10K, Maybe. No benefits, at all.

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My first year as a CFI (1991) I made $14,000 (in 1991 dollars) My last year (1993) I made right at $25,000 (in 1993 dollars) as a CFI... This was at a Local Flight School... The University guys do a bit better than this...

jonnyb · August 17th, 2004, 02:40

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"... These are the same guys who after 6 months at the Regionals are bitching about QoL and pay issues and can't figure out why life isn't improving..

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I have to agree..............a very true statement. Of course not everyone is part of this group, but many are. I get tired of hearing it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/insane.gif[/img]

Another thing; the statement that "charter jobs are hard to obtain", that keeps coming up is ridiculous. Yeah, it might take a little more legwork and persistence. SO WHAT! That's what it takes. If you want a charter job, start networking now. Get to know the people and pave your own way. Of course it helps to know people from the beginning, but it's certainly NOT essential. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Kingairer · August 17th, 2004, 02:45

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Falcon Capt.,
-Good point-young people should be aware of flying for the airlines-as you get older MONEY is your best friend not the REGIONALS.

-IMO-most people choose Regionals because requirements are much easier than any Corporate job. I work in the Corporate field and most of the pilots that i deal with are ex-military pilots.

-Not all Corporate companies pay good-in fact most of them are as low as a Regional career. The ones that pay good are hard to get in unless you really have a good netwrok.

-Corporate pilots have one of the worst schedules i have ever seen. I have seen some pilots leave their home base for two or three weeks-sucks.

Therefore, i don't think anyone can enjoy the flying career until they reach..uhm..uhmm..should i say about 40-50 when they get to the Majors- [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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Kingairer · August 17th, 2004, 02:46

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18K as a CFI....I think I made 10K, Maybe. No benefits, at all.

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My first year as a CFI (1991) I made $14,000 (in 1991 dollars) My last year (1993) I made right at $25,000 (in 1993 dollars) as a CFI... This was at a Local Flight School... The University guys do a bit better than this...

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I was a Univ Guy.

jonnyb · August 17th, 2004, 02:46

Yeah, I made about $1700/mo. in the 9 months I instructed. = $20,400/year.

August 16th, 2004, 16:05	#26
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,373	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? [ QUOTE ] I agree, my next job after instructing was as a King Air/Lear F/O for a 135 Charter Company... My starting pay (day 1) was $28,000/year (in 1994 dollars, roughly $37,600 in 2004 dollars)... After 4 months I upgraded to King Air Captain and my pay went to $33,000/year (in 1994 dollars, roughly $44,300 in 2004 dollars)... I didn't know anyone at the company, just was persistent... [/ QUOTE ] And I have a TON of options like that down here that I'll be pursuing down the road a bit after I build up some time/experience instructing. I will be the second oldest CFI when I get my cert. next to the Chief Pilot. And I'll be the only one with a family. All the rest of them are young, living at home or in some hole in the wall - and are chomping at the bit to get to the regionals. So, hopefully, that'll leave some of the charter jobs open for moi. Time will tell.

August 16th, 2004, 16:13	#27
jonnyb Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: So. California Posts: 1,304	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? [ QUOTE ] All the rest of them are young, living at home or in some hole in the wall - and are chomping at the bit to get to the regionals. So, hopefully, that'll leave some of the charter jobs open for moi. [/ QUOTE ] Hell ya boiee !! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] And if you don't find something in Florhellda, we'll get you something out here in the promised land. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

August 16th, 2004, 16:35	#28
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,373	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? WORD! That's what I'm talkin' `bout brothaman!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

August 16th, 2004, 17:23	#29
FalconCapt Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 489	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? I posted this thread not create a big controversy, but to open the eyes to the realities of this career and profession... I wanted to put things into perspective so that you go into this profession well informed and knowledgable not with your head in the clouds, or worse, up your a$$.... Many of you younger folks (and this site is chock full of you guys) are wearing rose colored glasses, dreaming of the day you'll get to fly a jet... It is very easy to say money doens't matter when you are living at home with mom & dad and they are paying nearly all of your expenses... But when the day comes (and it WILL come) when Mom & Dad give you the boot and tell you to stand on your own 2 feet, you will quickly realize that: "flying a jet" doesn't pay the rent... Money does... "flying a jet" doesn't pay for food... Money does... "flying a jet" doesn't pay the utilities... Money does... "flying a jet" doesn't buy you things... Money does... "flying a jet" doesn't pay the car payment... Money does... "flying a jet" doesn't pay the student loans... Money does... While other career fields have seen their wages steadily increase (at least at the rate of cost of living increases)... MANY pilot jobs (i.e. Regionals) have seen their wages deteriorate... Some of you are right, until there is truely a qualified pilot shortage you will not see wages increase, because there is always some knucklehead who will work for less, just to fly a jet... Before you jump into this career, make sure you get as informaed as your can, about ALL the aspects... Don't ignore the bad parts (furloughs, pay cuts, union battles, QoL issues, Scope, etc...) they aren't going away... If you ignore them, once you are here it will be that much harder to turn around and do something else... Don't get me wrong, this job is rewarding, but it certainly isn't for everyone, even if you just absolutely love to fly... Being a Professional Pilot goes FAR, FAR beyond manipulating the controls of a flying machine...

August 16th, 2004, 17:35	#30
pilot602 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: who haa Posts: 3,752	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? [ QUOTE ] Before you jump into this career, make sure you get as informaed as your can, about ALL the aspects... [/ QUOTE ] That goes for any career ... especially ones that take a lot of time/expense to get qualified to perform.

August 16th, 2004, 19:11	#31
Cherokee_Cruiser Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 1,419	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? Case 1: A big point is that when interns or management f*@k up an airline, they can simply 'jump-ship' and go someplace else, no harm done. Case 2: Where pilots and flight attendants alike, once they get screwed over at a major airline, there's no where else to go... unless they agree to start at a new airline, at the bottom of the seniority with first year pay. Case 1 example: After Don CAArty screwed over all labor groups at American Airlines, he "resigns." Where's he at now you ask? A board member at HAAwaiian Airlines!!! Case 2 example: TWA pilots. Need I say more?

August 16th, 2004, 19:19	#32
FalconCapt Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 489	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? [ QUOTE ] That goes for any career ... especially ones that take a lot of time/expense to get qualified to perform. [/ QUOTE ] ABSOLUTELY! Unfortunately perspective pilots are more often than not lulled into thinking what a great career it is that they never look further than the glossy brochures from the Flight School they have choosen... A good web site shouldn't encourage or discourage people from particular careers, it should offer as much ACCURATE information about the career as possible...

August 17th, 2004, 01:44	#33
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,215	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? A break from all the corporate/charter cheerleading to get a different view.... First off, Charter/corporate, and yes I know there is a difference, jobs can be hard to come by, especially in certain areas. Alot of times, and Most of the time they hire less people, ( in comparison to airlines), and so they typcially hire from the good ole boy system. If you brand new to an area, it could be tough to find work intially. Or possibly you're in a pilot saturated such as Florida. I really don't see the types of charter outfits out there that have the rosy lives. Im not saying they arent out there, im saying that in my expereince they are not the norm. I used to work in a non flying position for a Charter Operation. There pilots were not paid well, tied to a pager, flew crap equipment, into crap weather. Typicaly trips were to fly about 1 hr or so away, sit all day and fly back. Corporate flying can be nice and different. Some can be close to a scheduled operation and can be lucrative. But a 1000 hour CFI most likely isnt going to land in the right seat of a G5 unless his last name is the last name of the owner. Some airline perks... Set Schedule No pressure to fly broke airplanes Seniority System(upgrades based on seniorty and not a favorite) Travel Benefits...HUGE! Contracted Pay Scale Work Rules Contract (Union airlines)

August 17th, 2004, 01:47	#34
jdflight Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Boulder, CO (anywhere but Fresno) Posts: 1,495	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? Travel bennies are the predominant factor for me at this point in my life and career. Were it not for those, I might sing a different tune.

August 17th, 2004, 01:53	#35
FalconCapt Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 489	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? [ QUOTE ] a 1000 hour CFI most likely isnt going to land in the right seat of a G5 unless his last name is the last name of the owner. [/ QUOTE ] A 1000 hour CFI sin't going to sit in the right seat of a 737 either... You are kind of comparing apples to oranges here... I don't think this was a "Charter/Corporate Cheerleading Session"... The point of the thread was to make people aware at how poorly the regionals are paying vs' "average" other jobs... Such as the Airport Management INTERN who makes more than virtually any Regional right seater... And the travel benefits of an airline might be useful when you are single, but have you tried getting a family to and from a vacation using them??? You'd spend a good portion of your vacation trying to get to and from where you are going...

August 17th, 2004, 01:54	#36
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,215	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? A 1000Hr CFI can sit, and do sit in RJs though.

August 17th, 2004, 01:55	#37
jdflight Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Boulder, CO (anywhere but Fresno) Posts: 1,495	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? Well, I'm single. So that settles that question! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bandit.gif[/img]

August 17th, 2004, 02:00	#38
FalconCapt Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 489	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? [ QUOTE ] A 1000Hr CFI can sit, and do sit in RJs though. [/ QUOTE ] Yes they do, for $18,000/year... 1000 hr CFI's can sit and do sit in Lears too... However, typically for somewhere in the $30,000-$40,000 range...

August 17th, 2004, 02:09	#39
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,230	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? [ QUOTE ] A 1000Hr CFI can sit, and do sit in RJs though. Yes they do, for $18,000/year... [/ QUOTE ] You also have to look at it from this stand point. How much were they making as CFIs? I bet that 18K is a big step up. I just barely made more than that as a SWA ramper last year, and that was with gobs of OT. [ QUOTE ] 1000 hr CFI's can sit and do sit in Lears too... However, typically for somewhere in the $30,000-$40,000 range... [/ QUOTE ] Those with major connections, yes. It's just easier to get that regional job than that cushy corporate/charter job. If I had my choice, I'd take the corporate route in a heartbeat. Since I don't really have a lot of connections there, but I do have several in the airline sector, guess where my choices lie.

August 17th, 2004, 02:10	#40
jdflight Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Boulder, CO (anywhere but Fresno) Posts: 1,495	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? Actually, for a lot of CFIs who've been instructing for a year or two, first year regional pay is a step down. It was for all of my roommates, and it will be for me. Not a big one, but a step down.

August 17th, 2004, 02:14	#41
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,215	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] A 1000Hr CFI can sit, and do sit in RJs though. [/ QUOTE ] Yes they do, for $18,000/year... 1000 hr CFI's can sit and do sit in Lears too... However, typically for somewhere in the $30,000-$40,000 range... [/ QUOTE ] If someone is a 1000hr CFI and holding out for 40,000 a year start pay in a lear, they could be holding out for a long time. Those jobs are out there im sure, but I would say they are hard to come by.

August 17th, 2004, 02:17	#42
FalconCapt Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 489	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? [ QUOTE ] You also have to look at it from this stand point. How much were they making as CFIs? I bet that 18K is a big step up. [/ QUOTE ] One (of many reasons) I didn't go to the regionals myself is I didn't want to take the pay cut (Would have been about a $7,000/year paycut to go to a regional)... There are a lot of CFI's out there who are making Regional F/O pay or better... [ QUOTE ] 1000 hr CFI's can sit and do sit in Lears too... Those with major connections, yes. [/ QUOTE ] Again, this is not true... I know a LOT of CFI's who have move on from instructing into a Charter job... Most did not have any kind of connection inside the company they got hired with... Where do you think Charter Operations get their new pilots??? Same place as the Regionals do... CFI's... I myself went from CFIing in C-172's and a Duchess to the right seat of a Lear 35 and King Air... No connections at my company, just persistence...

August 17th, 2004, 02:22	#43
FalconCapt Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 489	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? [ QUOTE ] If someone is a 1000hr CFI and holding out for 40,000 a year start pay in a lear, they could be holding out for a long time. Those jobs are out there im sure, but I would say they are hard to come by. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, it might take longer to get a Charter job than on with a Regional... But while you are waiting, you are most likely making at least Regional F/O pay as a CFI and when you make the move you will be making about double Regional F/O pay... Again, this isn't the point of this thread, the point is that compared to other "average" jobs out there, Regional F/O pay is miserable... and it will stay miserable as long as there are people out there who say "I just wanna fly a jet" or "I do it because I love to fly, I don't care about money" or "Well it beats flying a 172"... These are the same guys who after 6 months at the Regionals are bitching about QoL and pay issues and can't figure out why life isn't improving...

August 17th, 2004, 02:26	#44
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,215	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? 18K as a CFI....I think I made 10K, Maybe. No benefits, at all. 18K first year, At some place maybe a little more. Second year, Much more. Upgrade anywhere from 1.5 years-4 years and your doing much better. We are both trying for the same goal, of painting a realistic picture out there for those moving up, and Im just giving you what Ive seen Im sure you're doing the same.

August 17th, 2004, 02:36	#45
n77j Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: haytown,california Posts: 268	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? Falcon Capt., -Good point-young people should be aware of flying for the airlines-as you get older MONEY is your best friend not the REGIONALS. -IMO-most people choose Regionals because requirements are much easier than any Corporate job. I work in the Corporate field and most of the pilots that i deal with are ex-military pilots. -Not all Corporate companies pay good-in fact most of them are as low as a Regional career. The ones that pay good are hard to get in unless you really have a good netwrok. -Corporate pilots have one of the worst schedules i have ever seen. I have seen some pilots leave their home base for two or three weeks-sucks. Therefore, i don't think anyone can enjoy the flying career until they reach..uhm..uhmm..should i say about 40-50 when they get to the Majors- [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

August 17th, 2004, 02:39	#46
FalconCapt Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 489	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? [ QUOTE ] 18K as a CFI....I think I made 10K, Maybe. No benefits, at all. [/ QUOTE ] My first year as a CFI (1991) I made $14,000 (in 1991 dollars) My last year (1993) I made right at $25,000 (in 1993 dollars) as a CFI... This was at a Local Flight School... The University guys do a bit better than this...

August 17th, 2004, 02:40	#47
jonnyb Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: So. California Posts: 1,304	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? [ QUOTE ] "... These are the same guys who after 6 months at the Regionals are bitching about QoL and pay issues and can't figure out why life isn't improving.. [/ QUOTE ] I have to agree..............a very true statement. Of course not everyone is part of this group, but many are. I get tired of hearing it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/insane.gif[/img] Another thing; the statement that "charter jobs are hard to obtain", that keeps coming up is ridiculous. Yeah, it might take a little more legwork and persistence. SO WHAT! That's what it takes. If you want a charter job, start networking now. Get to know the people and pave your own way. Of course it helps to know people from the beginning, but it's certainly NOT essential. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

August 17th, 2004, 02:45	#48
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,215	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? [ QUOTE ] Falcon Capt., -Good point-young people should be aware of flying for the airlines-as you get older MONEY is your best friend not the REGIONALS. -IMO-most people choose Regionals because requirements are much easier than any Corporate job. I work in the Corporate field and most of the pilots that i deal with are ex-military pilots. -Not all Corporate companies pay good-in fact most of them are as low as a Regional career. The ones that pay good are hard to get in unless you really have a good netwrok. -Corporate pilots have one of the worst schedules i have ever seen. I have seen some pilots leave their home base for two or three weeks-sucks. Therefore, i don't think anyone can enjoy the flying career until they reach..uhm..uhmm..should i say about 40-50 when they get to the Majors- [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img]

August 17th, 2004, 02:46	#49
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,215	Re: Can\'t wait to get to the regionals??? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 18K as a CFI....I think I made 10K, Maybe. No benefits, at all. [/ QUOTE ] My first year as a CFI (1991) I made $14,000 (in 1991 dollars) My last year (1993) I made right at $25,000 (in 1993 dollars) as a CFI... This was at a Local Flight School... The University guys do a bit better than this... [/ QUOTE ] I was a Univ Guy.

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