USAIR and Freq. Flyer - Page 2

gurisudenko · August 16th, 2004, 17:05

When I was sixteen, I used to run around the airports like, "Hey! What's the capital of Delaware? And could you tell me what 54.3 times 8 is? I'm trying to figure out this math problem and it's hard for me to multiply decimals in my head sometimes."

Pilot proceeds to look at me like I have three heads...

j/k. haha! I've seen that stuff in the past. Before a JetBlue flight when I was at JFK, this lady was yelling hysterically at a gate agent demanding that the gate agent do things she wasn't even trained to do. I forgot what it was, I think it had something to do with potatos (again kidding, but I did forget). Geez. People need to acquire a basic knowledge of the types of people who have anything to do with airports.

*Says to the ground crew, "I need to check in for my flight..."*

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

flyover · August 16th, 2004, 17:57

Try reading this thread starting at the bottom and see if you can figure out what it was originally about before the top. It's making me dizzy.
No wait, that's the beer. Never mind. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/spin2.gif[/img]

Doug Taylor · August 16th, 2004, 20:53

When I was a 1900 FO, the captain and I got written up by a passenger for landing with the "mixture" control lean and obviously missed our "GUMP" check. And how the props weren't forward during landing.

Also on the 1900, an old fart lectured me about standing the in the arc of the propeller during deplaning because if the magneto was still charged, it could have 'kil't you dead if that PRO-peller kicked over'

And another 1900 story, we were starting the engines and 1900's had a bad problem with ignition 'bleed over' on the cockpit speakers that would loudly go "WAA WAAA WAWAWAWWAWWAAWAW" as the ignitors fired during engine start. A passenger ran up front and started arguing with the captain about the 'alarm' and how the engine was going to seize if he took off with the problem...

Doug Taylor · August 16th, 2004, 20:55

[ QUOTE ]
Try reading this thread starting at the bottom and see if you can figure out what it was originally about before the top. It's making me dizzy.
No wait, that's the beer. Never mind. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/spin2.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

Thread creep, baby! Some of the best stuff sometimes is from the TC!

UAL747400 · August 16th, 2004, 22:24

I love the stories you guys tell. Does that stuff happen every time. If so I think I'm going to have to fly boxes right away or I will flip out. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Tom

CaptainChris87 · August 16th, 2004, 22:44

Unless somebody buys them out, liek wiht me I flew a LAX-JFK TWA flight, they counted my milage towards my AAdvantage miles/card... Diddnt US AIR already file for like 30 bankruptcies?

Minnesota_Flyer · August 16th, 2004, 23:55

[ QUOTE ]
When I was a 1900 FO, the captain and I got written up by a passenger for landing with the "mixture" control lean and obviously missed our "GUMP" check. And how the props weren't forward during landing.

Also on the 1900, an old fart lectured me about standing the in the arc of the propeller during deplaning because if the magneto was still charged, it could have 'kil't you dead if that PRO-peller kicked over'

And another 1900 story, we were starting the engines and 1900's had a bad problem with ignition 'bleed over' on the cockpit speakers that would loudly go "WAA WAAA WAWAWAWWAWWAAWAW" as the ignitors fired during engine start. A passenger ran up front and started arguing with the captain about the 'alarm' and how the engine was going to seize if he took off with the problem...

[/ QUOTE ]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img]

mtsu_av8er · August 16th, 2004, 23:58

[ QUOTE ]
When I was a 1900 FO, the captain and I got written up by a passenger for landing with the "mixture" control lean and obviously missed our "GUMP" check. And how the props weren't forward during landing.

Also on the 1900, an old fart lectured me about standing the in the arc of the propeller during deplaning because if the magneto was still charged, it could have 'kil't you dead if that PRO-peller kicked over'

[/ QUOTE ]

Have you ever wondered how some people lived past the age of 2? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

tonyw · August 17th, 2004, 00:03

[ QUOTE ]
Have you ever wondered how some people lived past the age of 2? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm telling you, we are going to end up with Planet of the Apes. As the human race gets dumber due to lack of natural selection, and the apes get smarter...

GaTechKid · August 17th, 2004, 00:09

[ QUOTE ]
I'm telling you, we are going to end up with Planet of the Apes. As the human race gets dumber due to lack of natural selection, and the apes get smarter...

[/ QUOTE ]

Is that Harvey Danger's "Flagpole Sitta" I hear in the background? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

mtsu_av8er · August 17th, 2004, 00:13

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Have you ever wondered how some people lived past the age of 2? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm telling you, we are going to end up with Planet of the Apes. As the human race gets dumber due to lack of natural selection, and the apes get smarter...

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, if we teach the apes to be like humans, they'll kill themselves just as fast as we're killing ourselves!!!

Bog · August 17th, 2004, 03:46

[ QUOTE ]
And another 1900 story, we were starting the engines and 1900's had a bad problem with ignition 'bleed over' on the cockpit speakers that would loudly go "WAA WAAA WAWAWAWWAWWAAWAW" as the ignitors fired during engine start. A passenger ran up front and started arguing with the captain about the 'alarm' and how the engine was going to seize if he took off with the problem...

[/ QUOTE ]

Ahh yes. I was non-revving back to "home" in WV one day on the Mighty Beech and listened to an instant expert inform his business cronies that the WAAWAAWAAWAAWAA was a signal to the pilots that they were clear to start engines. One or two of his colleagues looked at me, I smirked, and just shook my head.

Doug and Tenney will remember the famous Beech quotes:

1. What's the movie?
2. What's for lunch?
3. Are you sure it's going to make it?
4. Why are the pilots always holding hands on takeoff?
5. Are you the flight attendant?
6. I can't find my seatbelt (blue hair specialty).
7. Do you know if my bag is on board?
8. Can I go check to see if my bag is on board?

Nothing will ever top the whistle that the vent windows made if they didn't seal completely. I remember climbing off of PIT one day, hit that thing about 8 times before it shut up, but each time was a higher pitch. Good times, I tell ya.

Doug Taylor · August 17th, 2004, 03:58

[ QUOTE ]
1. What's the movie?

[/ QUOTE ]

My answer was 'Well, if the captain elects to leave the cockpit door open, it's going to be "Flight Crew to Grand Rapids, part 12"

[ QUOTE ]
2. What's for lunch?

[/ QUOTE ]

"Airport hotdog, you didn't get one back in Marquette?"

[ QUOTE ]
3. Are you sure it's going to make it?

[/ QUOTE ]

"I was wondering the same thing myself!"

[ QUOTE ]
4. Why are the pilots always holding hands on takeoff?

[/ QUOTE ]

"Aren't you going to say 'Not that there's anything wrong with that, right?"

[ QUOTE ]
5. Are you the flight attendant?

[/ QUOTE ]

"Yeah, but I don't walk thru the cabin trick or treating with a trash bag!"

[ QUOTE ]
6. I can't find my seatbelt (blue hair specialty).

[/ QUOTE ]

"I'll get an extension from the coat closet..."

[ QUOTE ]
7. Do you know if my bag is on board?

[/ QUOTE ]

"Black, rectangular bag? Oh yeah, I saw it during the walkaround!"

[ QUOTE ]
8. Can I go check to see if my bag is on board?

[/ QUOTE ]

"No! But you can pull the hatch down above seat 9B! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]"

I was only a 1900 driver for a little less than two years so I wasn't there long enough to get fired for my smug remarks!

USMCmech · August 17th, 2004, 04:01

[ QUOTE ]
Also on the 1900, an old fart lectured me about standing the in the arc of the propeller during deplaning because if the magneto was still charged, it could have 'kil't you dead if that PRO-peller kicked over'

[/ QUOTE ]

That is one of the dumbest Old Wives Tales out there. The engine won't start unless the mixture is rich and the mag is sparking. No matter how many times you turn the prop. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img]

Old radials had to be turned by hand durring preflight to check for hydraulic lock. On the really big engines this required several guys walking the prop blades through the bottom arc of their travel.

UAL747400 · August 17th, 2004, 12:17

Do turbine engines even have mags.

Tom

USMCmech · August 17th, 2004, 14:58

[ QUOTE ]
Do turbine engines even have mags.

[/ QUOTE ]

Nope, They have ignitors. These are basicly sparkplugs that are on durring engine start (and durring heavy rain). Once the burners in the combustion section are burning the flame never stops, just like a gas stove.

Andrew415 · August 17th, 2004, 15:26

haha i like this thread, more stories! lol

YodelinPig · August 17th, 2004, 15:40

In defense of FF miles....

Remember that the credit card miles that you earn from that loaf of bread don't count towards "base" miles for elite status. For instance I have a gazillion miles with almost every airline out there since I travel for work every week but when it gets to be the beginning of December, I start trolling the 'net for cheapie quickie fares cross country if I haven't made my status on an airline. So unless you have those coveted "base" or actual flown miles, the loaf of bread miles don't mean squat until you collect around 20k of them for a free ticket to Sioux Falls at noon on a Wednesday.

Also remember that when TWA went bye-bye they converted their miles on a 1:1 basis to American. I think you'll be OK with USAir, but you could always book your ticket now for the end of the year and hope for the best.

Good luck

sigmanu499 · August 17th, 2004, 16:51

[ QUOTE ]
Also remember that when TWA went bye-bye they converted their miles on a 1:1 basis to American. I think you'll be OK with USAir

[/ QUOTE ]

Thats true if USAir gets bought by another carrier. But who has the cash to do that. I think that it will be more like PamAm, and Eastern where one part gets bought by Delta, one part by American, etc. Dont know who would buy the FF program, other then try to get the PAX to fly on their airline.

I wonder if any of the low-fare carriers would be interested in US Air?

Bog · August 17th, 2004, 19:55

No-one with an ounce of intelligence will buy US Airways as an operating entity. Everyone will wait for the liquidation sale, as no-one wants to deal with their very senior employee groups.

Independence Air, America West, jetBlue, Virgin ... all will probably eye the Airbusi. America West might also take the 757s, which are very similar to theirs. The 767s ... Coca Cola factory, same with the 737s. A330s ... any of a number of carriers.

kellwolf · August 17th, 2004, 22:17

Agree. US Airways will either survive, or be split up Pan Am style. Routes will go one way, planes will go the other. It'll be like a garage sale for airlines. If they start selling of some of their stuff now, they could probably delay the inevitable for a little longer.

gurisudenko · August 17th, 2004, 23:12

I wonder if Southwest Airlines' move to PHL in May had anything to do with worsening the then-recovering USAirways' situation?

TrinidadGT20 · August 17th, 2004, 23:17

It sucks about US Air b/c I really enjoy flying them out of MHT. I fly them a lot for work and I was CP two years in a row with them. Then they hit bankruptcy post 9/11 and I didn't lose a single mile. If they go Chapter 7 then you're screwed.

I'm going to have to stop reading just the subject lines of the posts b/c I'm missing some good stuff. The stories in this one were great.

Bog · August 17th, 2004, 23:17

It hasn't helped. When you're an airline dealing with a lack of revenue, then you cut your fares to match / undercut Southwest ... yeah, something there just will not add up.

But, alas, it is the employees fault and they need to give more so the new CEO can also get a $5 million golden parachute. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img]

tonyw · August 18th, 2004, 00:01

I think the US Airways business model is just plain broken. This is a perfect example of what is wrong with corporate America these days. They took two perfectly good airlines and merged them together without thinking it through, just so that they could get bigger. And the merger created an airline with four hubs within an hours flight of each other and no west coast presence to speak of.

Not smart. Did not make sense. And now you're seeing the results of poor management decisions.

August 16th, 2004, 17:05	#26
gurisudenko Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Saint Cloud, MN USA Posts: 260	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer When I was sixteen, I used to run around the airports like, "Hey! What's the capital of Delaware? And could you tell me what 54.3 times 8 is? I'm trying to figure out this math problem and it's hard for me to multiply decimals in my head sometimes." Pilot proceeds to look at me like I have three heads... j/k. haha! I've seen that stuff in the past. Before a JetBlue flight when I was at JFK, this lady was yelling hysterically at a gate agent demanding that the gate agent do things she wasn't even trained to do. I forgot what it was, I think it had something to do with potatos (again kidding, but I did forget). Geez. People need to acquire a basic knowledge of the types of people who have anything to do with airports. Says to the ground crew, "I need to check in for my flight..." [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

August 16th, 2004, 17:57	#27
flyover Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,389	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer Try reading this thread starting at the bottom and see if you can figure out what it was originally about before the top. It's making me dizzy. No wait, that's the beer. Never mind. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/spin2.gif[/img]

August 16th, 2004, 20:53	#28
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 39,517 Blog Entries: 1	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer When I was a 1900 FO, the captain and I got written up by a passenger for landing with the "mixture" control lean and obviously missed our "GUMP" check. And how the props weren't forward during landing. Also on the 1900, an old fart lectured me about standing the in the arc of the propeller during deplaning because if the magneto was still charged, it could have 'kil't you dead if that PRO-peller kicked over' And another 1900 story, we were starting the engines and 1900's had a bad problem with ignition 'bleed over' on the cockpit speakers that would loudly go "WAA WAAA WAWAWAWWAWWAAWAW" as the ignitors fired during engine start. A passenger ran up front and started arguing with the captain about the 'alarm' and how the engine was going to seize if he took off with the problem...

August 16th, 2004, 20:55	#29
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 39,517 Blog Entries: 1	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer [ QUOTE ] Try reading this thread starting at the bottom and see if you can figure out what it was originally about before the top. It's making me dizzy. No wait, that's the beer. Never mind. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/spin2.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Thread creep, baby! Some of the best stuff sometimes is from the TC!

August 16th, 2004, 22:24	#30
UAL747400 Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND (UND)/ Davenport, IA Posts: 2,204	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer I love the stories you guys tell. Does that stuff happen every time. If so I think I'm going to have to fly boxes right away or I will flip out. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Tom

August 16th, 2004, 22:44	#31
CaptainChris87 Old Skool Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,737	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer Unless somebody buys them out, liek wiht me I flew a LAX-JFK TWA flight, they counted my milage towards my AAdvantage miles/card... Diddnt US AIR already file for like 30 bankruptcies?

August 16th, 2004, 23:55	#32
Minnesota_Flyer Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul Posts: 1,895	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer [ QUOTE ] When I was a 1900 FO, the captain and I got written up by a passenger for landing with the "mixture" control lean and obviously missed our "GUMP" check. And how the props weren't forward during landing. Also on the 1900, an old fart lectured me about standing the in the arc of the propeller during deplaning because if the magneto was still charged, it could have 'kil't you dead if that PRO-peller kicked over' And another 1900 story, we were starting the engines and 1900's had a bad problem with ignition 'bleed over' on the cockpit speakers that would loudly go "WAA WAAA WAWAWAWWAWWAAWAW" as the ignitors fired during engine start. A passenger ran up front and started arguing with the captain about the 'alarm' and how the engine was going to seize if he took off with the problem... [/ QUOTE ] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img]

August 16th, 2004, 23:58	#33
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,400	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer [ QUOTE ] When I was a 1900 FO, the captain and I got written up by a passenger for landing with the "mixture" control lean and obviously missed our "GUMP" check. And how the props weren't forward during landing. Also on the 1900, an old fart lectured me about standing the in the arc of the propeller during deplaning because if the magneto was still charged, it could have 'kil't you dead if that PRO-peller kicked over' [/ QUOTE ] Have you ever wondered how some people lived past the age of 2? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

August 17th, 2004, 00:03	#34
tonyw Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 15,091	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer [ QUOTE ] Have you ever wondered how some people lived past the age of 2? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I'm telling you, we are going to end up with Planet of the Apes. As the human race gets dumber due to lack of natural selection, and the apes get smarter...

August 17th, 2004, 00:09	#35
GaTechKid Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Frigid NWA Hub Posts: 1,880	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer [ QUOTE ] I'm telling you, we are going to end up with Planet of the Apes. As the human race gets dumber due to lack of natural selection, and the apes get smarter... [/ QUOTE ] Is that Harvey Danger's "Flagpole Sitta" I hear in the background? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

August 17th, 2004, 00:13	#36
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,400	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Have you ever wondered how some people lived past the age of 2? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I'm telling you, we are going to end up with Planet of the Apes. As the human race gets dumber due to lack of natural selection, and the apes get smarter... [/ QUOTE ] Well, if we teach the apes to be like humans, they'll kill themselves just as fast as we're killing ourselves!!!

August 17th, 2004, 03:46	#37
Bog Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,152	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer [ QUOTE ] And another 1900 story, we were starting the engines and 1900's had a bad problem with ignition 'bleed over' on the cockpit speakers that would loudly go "WAA WAAA WAWAWAWWAWWAAWAW" as the ignitors fired during engine start. A passenger ran up front and started arguing with the captain about the 'alarm' and how the engine was going to seize if he took off with the problem... [/ QUOTE ] Ahh yes. I was non-revving back to "home" in WV one day on the Mighty Beech and listened to an instant expert inform his business cronies that the WAAWAAWAAWAAWAA was a signal to the pilots that they were clear to start engines. One or two of his colleagues looked at me, I smirked, and just shook my head. Doug and Tenney will remember the famous Beech quotes: 1. What's the movie? 2. What's for lunch? 3. Are you sure it's going to make it? 4. Why are the pilots always holding hands on takeoff? 5. Are you the flight attendant? 6. I can't find my seatbelt (blue hair specialty). 7. Do you know if my bag is on board? 8. Can I go check to see if my bag is on board? Nothing will ever top the whistle that the vent windows made if they didn't seal completely. I remember climbing off of PIT one day, hit that thing about 8 times before it shut up, but each time was a higher pitch. Good times, I tell ya.

August 17th, 2004, 03:58	#38
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 39,517 Blog Entries: 1	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer [ QUOTE ] 1. What's the movie? [/ QUOTE ] My answer was 'Well, if the captain elects to leave the cockpit door open, it's going to be "Flight Crew to Grand Rapids, part 12" [ QUOTE ] 2. What's for lunch? [/ QUOTE ] "Airport hotdog, you didn't get one back in Marquette?" [ QUOTE ] 3. Are you sure it's going to make it? [/ QUOTE ] "I was wondering the same thing myself!" [ QUOTE ] 4. Why are the pilots always holding hands on takeoff? [/ QUOTE ] "Aren't you going to say 'Not that there's anything wrong with that, right?" [ QUOTE ] 5. Are you the flight attendant? [/ QUOTE ] "Yeah, but I don't walk thru the cabin trick or treating with a trash bag!" [ QUOTE ] 6. I can't find my seatbelt (blue hair specialty). [/ QUOTE ] "I'll get an extension from the coat closet..." [ QUOTE ] 7. Do you know if my bag is on board? [/ QUOTE ] "Black, rectangular bag? Oh yeah, I saw it during the walkaround!" [ QUOTE ] 8. Can I go check to see if my bag is on board? [/ QUOTE ] "No! But you can pull the hatch down above seat 9B! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]" I was only a 1900 driver for a little less than two years so I wasn't there long enough to get fired for my smug remarks!

August 17th, 2004, 04:01	#39
USMCmech Old Skool Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 1,553	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer [ QUOTE ] Also on the 1900, an old fart lectured me about standing the in the arc of the propeller during deplaning because if the magneto was still charged, it could have 'kil't you dead if that PRO-peller kicked over' [/ QUOTE ] That is one of the dumbest Old Wives Tales out there. The engine won't start unless the mixture is rich and the mag is sparking. No matter how many times you turn the prop. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img] Old radials had to be turned by hand durring preflight to check for hydraulic lock. On the really big engines this required several guys walking the prop blades through the bottom arc of their travel.

August 17th, 2004, 12:17	#40
UAL747400 Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND (UND)/ Davenport, IA Posts: 2,204	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer Do turbine engines even have mags. Tom

August 17th, 2004, 14:58	#41
USMCmech Old Skool Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 1,553	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer [ QUOTE ] Do turbine engines even have mags. [/ QUOTE ] Nope, They have ignitors. These are basicly sparkplugs that are on durring engine start (and durring heavy rain). Once the burners in the combustion section are burning the flame never stops, just like a gas stove.

August 17th, 2004, 15:26	#42
Andrew415 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Trenton , Ontario , Canada Posts: 89	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer haha i like this thread, more stories! lol

August 17th, 2004, 15:40	#43
YodelinPig Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SNA Posts: 26	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer In defense of FF miles.... Remember that the credit card miles that you earn from that loaf of bread don't count towards "base" miles for elite status. For instance I have a gazillion miles with almost every airline out there since I travel for work every week but when it gets to be the beginning of December, I start trolling the 'net for cheapie quickie fares cross country if I haven't made my status on an airline. So unless you have those coveted "base" or actual flown miles, the loaf of bread miles don't mean squat until you collect around 20k of them for a free ticket to Sioux Falls at noon on a Wednesday. Also remember that when TWA went bye-bye they converted their miles on a 1:1 basis to American. I think you'll be OK with USAir, but you could always book your ticket now for the end of the year and hope for the best. Good luck

August 17th, 2004, 16:51	#44
sigmanu499 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 232	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer [ QUOTE ] Also remember that when TWA went bye-bye they converted their miles on a 1:1 basis to American. I think you'll be OK with USAir [/ QUOTE ] Thats true if USAir gets bought by another carrier. But who has the cash to do that. I think that it will be more like PamAm, and Eastern where one part gets bought by Delta, one part by American, etc. Dont know who would buy the FF program, other then try to get the PAX to fly on their airline. I wonder if any of the low-fare carriers would be interested in US Air?

August 17th, 2004, 19:55	#45
Bog Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,152	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer No-one with an ounce of intelligence will buy US Airways as an operating entity. Everyone will wait for the liquidation sale, as no-one wants to deal with their very senior employee groups. Independence Air, America West, jetBlue, Virgin ... all will probably eye the Airbusi. America West might also take the 757s, which are very similar to theirs. The 767s ... Coca Cola factory, same with the 737s. A330s ... any of a number of carriers.

August 17th, 2004, 22:17	#46
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,142	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer Agree. US Airways will either survive, or be split up Pan Am style. Routes will go one way, planes will go the other. It'll be like a garage sale for airlines. If they start selling of some of their stuff now, they could probably delay the inevitable for a little longer.

August 17th, 2004, 23:12	#47
gurisudenko Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Saint Cloud, MN USA Posts: 260	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer I wonder if Southwest Airlines' move to PHL in May had anything to do with worsening the then-recovering USAirways' situation?

August 17th, 2004, 23:17	#48
TrinidadGT20 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 1,468	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer It sucks about US Air b/c I really enjoy flying them out of MHT. I fly them a lot for work and I was CP two years in a row with them. Then they hit bankruptcy post 9/11 and I didn't lose a single mile. If they go Chapter 7 then you're screwed. I'm going to have to stop reading just the subject lines of the posts b/c I'm missing some good stuff. The stories in this one were great.

August 17th, 2004, 23:17	#49
Bog Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,152	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer It hasn't helped. When you're an airline dealing with a lack of revenue, then you cut your fares to match / undercut Southwest ... yeah, something there just will not add up. But, alas, it is the employees fault and they need to give more so the new CEO can also get a $5 million golden parachute. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img]

August 18th, 2004, 00:01	#50
tonyw Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 15,091	Re: USAIR and Freq. Flyer I think the US Airways business model is just plain broken. This is a perfect example of what is wrong with corporate America these days. They took two perfectly good airlines and merged them together without thinking it through, just so that they could get bigger. And the merger created an airline with four hubs within an hours flight of each other and no west coast presence to speak of. Not smart. Did not make sense. And now you're seeing the results of poor management decisions.

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