Ladies and Gentleman...

Doug Taylor · August 14th, 2004, 14:36

Ladies and Gentleman, on the right side of the aircraft, you'll see Lake Lanier and on he left side of the jet, GREAT GOOGLY MOOGLY! *click*

kellwolf · August 14th, 2004, 14:38

Somewhere there's a mechanic looking for a place to put all these loose screws he just found.....

USMCmech · August 14th, 2004, 14:59

Leftover screws and bolts are bad! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/insane.gif[/img]

This week in A&P school we overhauled a piston engine. When one group was done, they had several crankcase through bolts left over and had to take it back apart. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

CaptainMatt · August 14th, 2004, 15:10

is that airtran?

Doug Taylor · August 14th, 2004, 15:16

I think it's a Ryan Air d/b/a Air Tran Airways Airbus 320.

SWA_Mark · August 14th, 2004, 15:26

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] what happened?!

UAL747400 · August 14th, 2004, 15:41

That could fit with the joke, "Ladies and gentlemen this is your captain speaking, if you loo OH MY GOD!!!!!!!" over in the aviation humor forum.

Good god, how did that engine stay running if it did. I'm sure some of those parts cant take 600 mph wind, but mabey they can, I dont know. I bet there was a hell of a lot of noise and drag when that happend.

Tom

Jayrock · August 14th, 2004, 15:53

"Ah folks, we seem to have a missed a latch during our preflight!!!"

I_Money · August 14th, 2004, 16:01

Hey it could be worse - Click Here

USMCmech · August 14th, 2004, 16:27

[ QUOTE ]
Good god, how did that engine stay running if it did. I'm sure some of those parts cant take 600 mph wind, but mabey they can, I dont know.

[/ QUOTE ]

Look carefully, none of the engine is sticking out of the faring (or what's left of it). They are inside the "bubble" of the slipstream. That top peice of the pylon faring that is sticking out in the wind dosen't have much time left though.

The first thing I would have done is to slow way down. Then probably take that engine off line (just in case something had been broken when the cowling let go), and make a normal single engine landing at the nearst suitable airport.

I've always said if the flight controls, at least one engine is working, and if you're not on fire, then it's not a real emergency. That wouldn't stop me from saying the magic words to let ATC know what is going on, but I wouldn't be too worried. Just keep the airplane stable and land as soon as practical. I hear way too many reports of pilots crashing because their door opened, or some other malfunction that didn't affect the planes ability to fly. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img]

Look at some pictures of WW2 bombers that have returned shot completely to hell. Some B-17s made it back to England with huge holes in them. As long as the airplane will fly, then fly the airplane.

kellwolf · August 14th, 2004, 16:31

[ QUOTE ]
Some B-17s made it back to England with huge holes in them.

[/ QUOTE ]

No doubt. Seen pics and video of some missing almost their entire tails.

UAL747400 · August 14th, 2004, 17:07

I've heard of thunderbolts making it back home with entire cylinders blown off. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

Tom

gurisudenko · August 14th, 2004, 17:12

It doesn't look like it's doing too bad there! What is the big squarish heatsink looking thing on the side?

Is the cowling the outer alloy "shell" of the engine? I don't understand how that could detach!

*examines photo again*
Ouch my eyes just crossed!

UAL747400 · August 14th, 2004, 17:52

I belive that section is just latched together and opens into two halves. You can see the on whats left of it. I suppose it didn't get latched right and it opened in flight. But I'm no airplane mechanic so I dont know for sure.

Tom

RiddlePilot · August 14th, 2004, 17:53

[ QUOTE ]
Is the cowling the outer alloy "shell" of the engine? I don't understand how that could detach!

[/ QUOTE ]

Probably a loose series of rivets...You get airflow under the cowling at that kind of speed, and bad things happen. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

EDIT: Scratch what I said about rivets. Latches, duh. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Oh, and I'll betcha that heatsink-looking-thing is the FADEC. Dunno though!

UAL747400 · August 14th, 2004, 18:02

what ever a FADEC is right. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Tom

tonyw · August 14th, 2004, 18:56

"Ah, ladies and gentlemen from the flight deck. Ah, we've got a minor malfunction on the left engine, but we'll be just fine. We know you were hoping to make it over to France today, but we'll be diverting to Heathrow just in case.

From all of us here at Ryanair, thanks for flying with us, and we'll get you on your way to France just as soon as we put a little cover on the engine."

Off mike -- "I'm gonna bleeping kill that bleeping mechanic."

I_Money · August 14th, 2004, 19:01

[ QUOTE ]
"Ah, ladies and gentlemen from the flight deck. Ah, we've got a minor malfunction on the left engine, but we'll be just fine. We know you were hoping to make it over to France today, but we'll be diverting to Heathrow just in case.

From all of us here at Ryanair, thanks for flying with us, and we'll get you on your way to France just as soon as we put a little cover on the engine."

Off mike -- "I'm gonna bleeping kill that bleeping mechanic."

[/ QUOTE ]

Different RyanAir - if it was the European Ryanair I would guess it took off in that condition

USMCmech · August 14th, 2004, 20:46

[ QUOTE ]
I belive that section is just latched together and opens into two halves. You can see the on whats left of it. I suppose it didn't get latched right and it opened in flight. But I'm no airplane mechanic so I dont know for sure.

[/ QUOTE ]

[ QUOTE ]
Is the cowling the outer alloy "shell" of the engine? I don't understand how that could detach!

[/ QUOTE ]

The engine acess cowlings are hinged at the top (you can see the hinges in the photo) and are held together at the bottom with simple latches. They are called clamshells and open up like their namesake. The FO should have checked the latches on preflight, my guess is he didn't. The likelyhood of several latches all failng at the same time is too remote to seriously consider.

Another possibility is that a stress crack developed along a line of rivets and slowly grew untill it failed.

The cowling isn't a structural part of a jet engine, it just covers thing up for drag. They are useually made of light materials and composites. Ocasionaly you'll see a car running around without it's hood, same thing on a jet.

Ironicaly on a piston engine the cowling and baffels are critical for cooling the cylinders, especially the rear ones. Never run up an piston engine without a cowling for more than a few seconds. On older airplanes that didn't have full cowlings still had cooling scoops, example a J-3 cub.

VaughnAir · August 15th, 2004, 00:16

[ QUOTE ]
Hey it could be worse - Click Here

[/ QUOTE ]

... and I thought it was funny that a tow banner landed in my yard as a kid.

cime_sp · August 15th, 2004, 00:43

If the tow banner landed in your yard where did they put the plane down? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] They don't drop those things for no good reason....they're expensive

I_Money · August 15th, 2004, 00:47

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Hey it could be worse - Click Here

[/ QUOTE ]

... and I thought it was funny that a tow banner landed in my yard as a kid.

[/ QUOTE ]

Although there was an incident of an Evergreen 747 loosing an engine inflight - this was a 3 engine ferry.

MikeD · August 15th, 2004, 11:41

A helpful way to keep the EGT down.

VaughnAir · August 18th, 2004, 12:27

It belonged to an old World War II pilot. He use to tow them with his bi-plane. He had a private airstrip a half mile from my house. Something broke in the linkage, and it landed in my backyard. He was there in about fifteen minutes.

avi8tor · August 18th, 2004, 16:58

[ QUOTE ]
what ever a FADEC is right.

[/ QUOTE ]

FADEC stands for Fully Automated Digital Electronic Control, it controls the engine, providing it with the correct fuel, air and ignition ratios required for maximum performance with minimum fuel expenditure.

August 14th, 2004, 14:36	#1
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 39,931 Blog Entries: 1	Ladies and Gentleman... Ladies and Gentleman, on the right side of the aircraft, you'll see Lake Lanier and on he left side of the jet, GREAT GOOGLY MOOGLY! click

August 14th, 2004, 14:38	#2
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,368	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... Somewhere there's a mechanic looking for a place to put all these loose screws he just found.....

August 14th, 2004, 14:59	#3
USMCmech Old Skool Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 1,577	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... Leftover screws and bolts are bad! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/insane.gif[/img] This week in A&P school we overhauled a piston engine. When one group was done, they had several crankcase through bolts left over and had to take it back apart. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

August 14th, 2004, 15:10	#4
CaptainMatt Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Space Shuttle Posts: 620	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... is that airtran?

August 14th, 2004, 15:16	#5
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 39,931 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... I think it's a Ryan Air d/b/a Air Tran Airways Airbus 320.

August 14th, 2004, 15:26	#6
SWA_Mark Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Fontana, CA Posts: 44	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] what happened?!

August 14th, 2004, 15:41	#7
UAL747400 Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND (UND)/ Davenport, IA Posts: 2,204	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... That could fit with the joke, "Ladies and gentlemen this is your captain speaking, if you loo OH MY GOD!!!!!!!" over in the aviation humor forum. Good god, how did that engine stay running if it did. I'm sure some of those parts cant take 600 mph wind, but mabey they can, I dont know. I bet there was a hell of a lot of noise and drag when that happend. Tom

August 14th, 2004, 15:53	#8
Jayrock Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orange County Posts: 165	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... "Ah folks, we seem to have a missed a latch during our preflight!!!"

August 14th, 2004, 16:01	#9
I_Money Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal Posts: 5,649	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... Hey it could be worse - Click Here

August 14th, 2004, 16:27	#10
USMCmech Old Skool Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 1,577	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... [ QUOTE ] Good god, how did that engine stay running if it did. I'm sure some of those parts cant take 600 mph wind, but mabey they can, I dont know. [/ QUOTE ] Look carefully, none of the engine is sticking out of the faring (or what's left of it). They are inside the "bubble" of the slipstream. That top peice of the pylon faring that is sticking out in the wind dosen't have much time left though. The first thing I would have done is to slow way down. Then probably take that engine off line (just in case something had been broken when the cowling let go), and make a normal single engine landing at the nearst suitable airport. I've always said if the flight controls, at least one engine is working, and if you're not on fire, then it's not a real emergency. That wouldn't stop me from saying the magic words to let ATC know what is going on, but I wouldn't be too worried. Just keep the airplane stable and land as soon as practical. I hear way too many reports of pilots crashing because their door opened, or some other malfunction that didn't affect the planes ability to fly. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img] Look at some pictures of WW2 bombers that have returned shot completely to hell. Some B-17s made it back to England with huge holes in them. As long as the airplane will fly, then fly the airplane.

August 14th, 2004, 16:31	#11
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,368	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... [ QUOTE ] Some B-17s made it back to England with huge holes in them. [/ QUOTE ] No doubt. Seen pics and video of some missing almost their entire tails.

August 14th, 2004, 17:07	#12
UAL747400 Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND (UND)/ Davenport, IA Posts: 2,204	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... I've heard of thunderbolts making it back home with entire cylinders blown off. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] Tom

August 14th, 2004, 17:12	#13
gurisudenko Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Saint Cloud, MN USA Posts: 260	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... It doesn't look like it's doing too bad there! What is the big squarish heatsink looking thing on the side? Is the cowling the outer alloy "shell" of the engine? I don't understand how that could detach! examines photo again Ouch my eyes just crossed!

August 14th, 2004, 17:52	#14
UAL747400 Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND (UND)/ Davenport, IA Posts: 2,204	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... I belive that section is just latched together and opens into two halves. You can see the on whats left of it. I suppose it didn't get latched right and it opened in flight. But I'm no airplane mechanic so I dont know for sure. Tom

August 14th, 2004, 17:53	#15
RiddlePilot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Prescott, AZ Posts: 928	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... [ QUOTE ] Is the cowling the outer alloy "shell" of the engine? I don't understand how that could detach! [/ QUOTE ] Probably a loose series of rivets...You get airflow under the cowling at that kind of speed, and bad things happen. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] EDIT: Scratch what I said about rivets. Latches, duh. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Oh, and I'll betcha that heatsink-looking-thing is the FADEC. Dunno though!

August 14th, 2004, 18:02	#16
UAL747400 Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND (UND)/ Davenport, IA Posts: 2,204	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... what ever a FADEC is right. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Tom

August 14th, 2004, 18:56	#17
tonyw Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 15,198	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... "Ah, ladies and gentlemen from the flight deck. Ah, we've got a minor malfunction on the left engine, but we'll be just fine. We know you were hoping to make it over to France today, but we'll be diverting to Heathrow just in case. From all of us here at Ryanair, thanks for flying with us, and we'll get you on your way to France just as soon as we put a little cover on the engine." Off mike -- "I'm gonna bleeping kill that bleeping mechanic."

August 14th, 2004, 19:01	#18
I_Money Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal Posts: 5,649	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... [ QUOTE ] "Ah, ladies and gentlemen from the flight deck. Ah, we've got a minor malfunction on the left engine, but we'll be just fine. We know you were hoping to make it over to France today, but we'll be diverting to Heathrow just in case. From all of us here at Ryanair, thanks for flying with us, and we'll get you on your way to France just as soon as we put a little cover on the engine." Off mike -- "I'm gonna bleeping kill that bleeping mechanic." [/ QUOTE ] Different RyanAir - if it was the European Ryanair I would guess it took off in that condition

August 14th, 2004, 20:46	#19
USMCmech Old Skool Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 1,577	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... [ QUOTE ] I belive that section is just latched together and opens into two halves. You can see the on whats left of it. I suppose it didn't get latched right and it opened in flight. But I'm no airplane mechanic so I dont know for sure. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Is the cowling the outer alloy "shell" of the engine? I don't understand how that could detach! [/ QUOTE ] The engine acess cowlings are hinged at the top (you can see the hinges in the photo) and are held together at the bottom with simple latches. They are called clamshells and open up like their namesake. The FO should have checked the latches on preflight, my guess is he didn't. The likelyhood of several latches all failng at the same time is too remote to seriously consider. Another possibility is that a stress crack developed along a line of rivets and slowly grew untill it failed. The cowling isn't a structural part of a jet engine, it just covers thing up for drag. They are useually made of light materials and composites. Ocasionaly you'll see a car running around without it's hood, same thing on a jet. Ironicaly on a piston engine the cowling and baffels are critical for cooling the cylinders, especially the rear ones. Never run up an piston engine without a cowling for more than a few seconds. On older airplanes that didn't have full cowlings still had cooling scoops, example a J-3 cub.

August 15th, 2004, 00:16	#20
VaughnAir Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 109	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... [ QUOTE ] Hey it could be worse - Click Here [/ QUOTE ] ... and I thought it was funny that a tow banner landed in my yard as a kid.

August 15th, 2004, 00:43	#21
cime_sp Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ATL Posts: 776	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... If the tow banner landed in your yard where did they put the plane down? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] They don't drop those things for no good reason....they're expensive

August 15th, 2004, 00:47	#22
I_Money Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal Posts: 5,649	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Hey it could be worse - Click Here [/ QUOTE ] ... and I thought it was funny that a tow banner landed in my yard as a kid. [/ QUOTE ] Although there was an incident of an Evergreen 747 loosing an engine inflight - this was a 3 engine ferry.

August 15th, 2004, 11:41	#23
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... A helpful way to keep the EGT down.

August 18th, 2004, 12:27	#24
VaughnAir Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 109	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... It belonged to an old World War II pilot. He use to tow them with his bi-plane. He had a private airstrip a half mile from my house. Something broke in the linkage, and it landed in my backyard. He was there in about fifteen minutes.

August 18th, 2004, 16:58	#25
avi8tor Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Chicago, ILL. Posts: 432	Re: Ladies and Gentleman... [ QUOTE ] what ever a FADEC is right. [/ QUOTE ] FADEC stands for Fully Automated Digital Electronic Control, it controls the engine, providing it with the correct fuel, air and ignition ratios required for maximum performance with minimum fuel expenditure.

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