A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners!

montanapilot · August 14th, 2004, 00:25

So I ve been watching the whole Charley hurricane thing on Fox and I can't believe how many piled up GA planes I've seen on the news. Most with fuselages bent in half and fun stuff like that. What pisses me off is that hurricanes are forcasted days in advance. Hello! did they think to fly them out of there to the panhandle or someplace safe? No, now the insurance companies will have total most of them and raise rates to compensate for it.

Its not like planes are in mass production anymore these days like back in the 70's. We gotta protect what we got instead of totaling and parting them out cause someone was to lazy to fly it out. Heck all they gotta do is call up Flight Safety or Pan Am for some dudes to ferry them, that would be like throwing meat to ravenous dogs for low-timers looking for some time.

{/ranting off}

Doug Taylor · August 14th, 2004, 00:28

Methinks there were probably a lot of 'out of annual' GA aircraft with corrosion damage, years out of AD compliance and other problems that were left on the ramp.

Why fix the aircraft when all it takes is a seasonal storm and a little AVEMCO insurance to put some cash in your pocket?

TheWife · August 14th, 2004, 01:02

Is it maybe too that the owners weren't around? Some of them might not live there? Just a thought.

rausda27 · August 14th, 2004, 07:57

It may also have to do with the uncertainty of a hurricane. Where I work we have 96 aircraft and we have organized a relocation/evacuation plan if the huricane is forcast to hit our area with sustained winds over 74 MPH. I think this hurricane illustrates how these storms are difficult to forecast. They originally said that it was going to make landfall in Tampa and actually hit farther south and its strength was forcast to be less.

Aircraft owners may not of known that is was going to hit their field and where would you fly your aircraft? You could inadvertainly fly to an airport out of the hurricanes projected path and end up landing at an airport that is going to get slammed. What if the aircraft you saw where aiplanes from the Tampa airports that were relocated to a supposedly "safer" area?

DOn't assume that the owners knew that they aircraft were going to sustain damage, its just that in these scenarios it is hard to determine whether or not you are going to be affected and sometimes you just have to hope it doesn't casue damage to your property.

danielsexton · August 14th, 2004, 08:49

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Methinks there were probably a lot of 'out of annual' GA aircraft with corrosion damage, years out of AD compliance and other problems that were left on the ramp.

Why fix the aircraft when all it takes is a seasonal storm and a little AVEMCO insurance to put some cash in your pocket?

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I agree w/ Doug, I am sure when the adjuster comes around that aircraft "was in tip top shape" and the owner was in too big of a hurry to evacuate to worry about the aircraft, etc. etc. etc.

eeg · August 14th, 2004, 09:10

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So I ve been watching the whole Charley hurricane thing on Fox and I can't believe how many piled up GA planes I've seen on the news. Most with fuselages bent in half and fun stuff like that. What pisses me off is that hurricanes are forcasted days in advance. Hello! did they think to fly them out of there to the panhandle or someplace safe? No, now the insurance companies will have total most of them and raise rates to compensate for it.

Its not like planes are in mass production anymore these days like back in the 70's. We gotta protect what we got instead of totaling and parting them out cause someone was to lazy to fly it out. Heck all they gotta do is call up Flight Safety or Pan Am for some dudes to ferry them, that would be like throwing meat to ravenous dogs for low-timers looking for some time.

{/ranting off}

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I can't believe what I just read. How dare you rant about something as shallow as a few bent and totalled GA airplanes. Have you actually seen the damage that this hurricane has done? How many people lost their homes? How many people killed? Even the people in shelters weren't safe. The big weather GURU'S predicted Charley to go to Tampa so people in Tampa where evac'd but Charley tore straight through Punta Gorda instead. Charley was supposed to be a Category 2 but when it arrived on shore it was a Category 4, Hurricane Andrew was a CAT 4 in 1992 and I'm guessing you didn't see the damage that storm produced. Bro please!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img]

kellwolf · August 14th, 2004, 09:25

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So I ve been watching the whole Charley hurricane thing on Fox and I can't believe how many piled up GA planes I've seen on the news. Most with fuselages bent in half and fun stuff like that. What pisses me off is that hurricanes are forcasted days in advance.

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Yes, and as we saw yesterday, those predictions can be very wrong. Ask all the people that evaced from Tampa to Orlando to "escape" the hurricane. My flight school gave the aircraft owners (all of our planes are lease back, so the school legally COULDN'T fly the planes out. I tried to convince them to let me and my instructor at least take the Seneca to AL) the option to fly their planes out. Most declined since the winds were only supposed to be 40-60 mph. So, the planes got lashed down double tight and had air spoilers put on the wings. Would've worked if the storm had gone as predicted. Instead, it is catastrophic.

eeg · August 14th, 2004, 09:48

Kellwolf, do you fly out of Sanford?

H46Bubba · August 14th, 2004, 10:08

Kellwolf, how bad is it down at Exec? As far as up here, I know Starpot and Falcon got hit pretty hard. Airplanes tossed about and their hangar doors blown out. As far as Avion and DCA, I haven't gotten out there yet. I've been trying to reach DCA all morning, to see how we fared. I know OIA got slammed also.

I_Money · August 14th, 2004, 12:26

I think Doug is probably right, also I am sure many went to protect their homes and ensure their families are safe before worrying about some replacable position they rarely use.

montanapilot · August 14th, 2004, 12:40

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I can't believe what I just read. How dare you rant about something as shallow as a few bent and totalled GA airplanes. Have you actually seen the damage that this hurricane has done? How many people lost their homes? How many people killed? Even the people in shelters weren't safe. The big weather GURU'S predicted Charley to go to Tampa so people in Tampa where evac'd but Charley tore straight through Punta Gorda instead. Charley was supposed to be a Category 2 but when it arrived on shore it was a Category 4, Hurricane Andrew was a CAT 4 in 1992 and I'm guessing you didn't see the damage that storm produced. Bro please!!!

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Please point out where in my post I downplayed the property damage that happened and the loss of life that occured.

kellwolf · August 14th, 2004, 12:43

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Kellwolf, how bad is it down at Exec? As far as up here, I know Starpot and Falcon got hit pretty hard. Airplanes tossed about and their hangar doors blown out. As far as Avion and DCA, I haven't gotten out there yet. I've been trying to reach DCA all morning, to see how we fared. I know OIA got slammed also.

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Bad. That's about the best I can say. City officials are reporting about 1/3rd of the aircraft at Exec are either damaged or upside down. Hangar doors are just GONE. The T hangars on the west side looked like they collapsed in places. From the helicopter footage, it looked like CAP Flying's Cougar was alright, but not sure about their other planes. I saw some planes crushed like tin cans. I've only seen a little footage from MCO, but it didn't look all that hot, either. I heard SFB got hit almost (if not as hard) as ORL did. Wanna see how bad it was? Click here.

Grabo172 · August 14th, 2004, 12:57

Owwwww... that hurts just looking at that...

Why didn't they get those planes out of there or in a hanger? Usually people are pretty open to letting some one use an empty hanger for things like this!

kellwolf · August 14th, 2004, 13:04

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Why didn't they get those planes out of there or in a hanger?

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Well, no hangar space was left (they put the two Cirrus planes and the Citabria in the one they owned) at ORL, plus they gave the owners of the planes the option of flying them out. Since Air Orlando doesn't OWN any of those, they can't just take them out of the state. Plus, until yesterday afternoon, the storm was SUPPOSED to go through Tampa and Ocala. At worst we would've seen 45 mph winds, not the 105 we got. From the look of things, not sure if the hangars would've helped or hurt. Our manitenance hangar collapsed, taking a few more 172s and our one other Seneca with it.

eeg · August 14th, 2004, 14:11

I wish you guy's the best of luck and keep your heads up. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Grabo172 · August 14th, 2004, 16:05

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Well, no hangar space was left (they put the two Cirrus planes and the Citabria in the one they owned) at ORL, plus they gave the owners of the planes the option of flying them out. Since Air Orlando doesn't OWN any of those, they can't just take them out of the state. Plus, until yesterday afternoon, the storm was SUPPOSED to go through Tampa and Ocala. At worst we would've seen 45 mph winds, not the 105 we got. From the look of things, not sure if the hangars would've helped or hurt. Our manitenance hangar collapsed, taking a few more 172s and our one other Seneca with it.

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It did make an unexpected shift... I'm here about 6 miles North east of Charleston and we barely got a rain shower today as it went past. I haven't seen how my airport is yet, it's alot closer to where the charley went through. It actually went right over our practice area.

It's just a shame to see all those planes destroyed.

It was weird how the Katana didn't get touched though. I know they are tough planes, but yeesh [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

kellwolf · August 14th, 2004, 16:30

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It was weird how the Katana didn't get touched though. I know they are tough planes, but yeesh

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Something about the aerodynamics and how you can't sideslip them or something. My instructor told me why they weren't tossed around like balls of paper, but I was too broken up over my poor twin being wrecked.

I was in CHS for about 20 minutes the other day. Did my long X/C up there and back. Left RIGHT before the t-storms hit.

USMCmech · August 14th, 2004, 16:41

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. My flight school gave the aircraft owners (all of our planes are lease back, so the school legally COULDN'T fly the planes out. I tried to convince them to let me and my instructor at least take the Seneca to AL) the option to fly their planes out. Most declined since the winds were only supposed to be 40-60 mph. So, the planes got lashed down double tight and had air spoilers put on the wings. Would've worked if the storm had gone as predicted. Instead, it is catastrophic.

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If I were an owner I wouldn't have minded having the flight school move them. In fact I would have specificaly asked them to. The forcast winds of 40-60 were plenty stong enough to do signicant damage, not to mention the fact that forcasts are often wrong. Simply flying them Talahase would have saved them.

People don't seem to understand that a huricane is hundreds of miles wide, and when forcasters say it will make landfall 100 miles away from you, it still can cause wind damage and lots of flooding.

kellwolf · August 14th, 2004, 16:45

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If I were an owner I wouldn't have minded having the flight school move them. In fact I would have specificaly asked them to.

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Same here. But if the trouble to have it fixed and possibly scheme some extra $$ from the insurance company outweighs the trouble of having it flown out, guess which one the owners are gonna take. I kept trying to get them to let me fly anything out of here. Sad thing is, the Seneca belonged to the guy who owns the FBO.

FLYMcDoofer · August 14th, 2004, 16:51

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I was in CHS for about 20 minutes the other day. Did my long X/C up there and back

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You should have gone to JZI though......

H46Bubba · August 14th, 2004, 19:31

Kellwolf, Hey sorry about your FBO. Your pictures paint a picture than no pilot or owner wants to see. I would have to say thay you all got it the worst. I took a jaunt out to SFB this morning to check things out. DCA got spared. We only lost an Arrow. I didn't get a good look at Avion. Most of the small hangars had their doors blown off. By the time I got to Starport, they were just finishing up with the damaged aircraft. The airfield was closed witht he exception of the oversees charters doing the visual approach. Exec definitely got the brunt of the storm.

sigmanu499 · August 14th, 2004, 21:50

It really sad how many people dont care about their airplanes. At out field we have several with moss growing on the wings, no air in tires, birdnests, haven't moved in 15 years and the list goes on. I saw the pictures on CNN, I would guess that most of them were this type of owner or just very stupid.

EDUC8-or · August 16th, 2004, 15:16

It's pretty insensitive to call these people stupid. I made about 10 runs up to GA to take planes out of harms way. I had about 30 messges on top of that asking if I could fly more. Are you going to fly your plane out and leave your families and homes to be damaged or destroyed. The forecast was WRONG so lay off. Lots of people either tried to get their planes out and couldn't and lots of the ones left behind were secured very well.

If it's up to me to protect my loved ones and home or fly my plane to safety that's an easy decision to make.

August 14th, 2004, 00:25	#1
montanapilot Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portland, Orygun Posts: 1,638	A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! So I ve been watching the whole Charley hurricane thing on Fox and I can't believe how many piled up GA planes I've seen on the news. Most with fuselages bent in half and fun stuff like that. What pisses me off is that hurricanes are forcasted days in advance. Hello! did they think to fly them out of there to the panhandle or someplace safe? No, now the insurance companies will have total most of them and raise rates to compensate for it. Its not like planes are in mass production anymore these days like back in the 70's. We gotta protect what we got instead of totaling and parting them out cause someone was to lazy to fly it out. Heck all they gotta do is call up Flight Safety or Pan Am for some dudes to ferry them, that would be like throwing meat to ravenous dogs for low-timers looking for some time. {/ranting off}

August 14th, 2004, 00:28	#2
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 39,825 Blog Entries: 1	Re: A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! Methinks there were probably a lot of 'out of annual' GA aircraft with corrosion damage, years out of AD compliance and other problems that were left on the ramp. Why fix the aircraft when all it takes is a seasonal storm and a little AVEMCO insurance to put some cash in your pocket?

August 14th, 2004, 01:02	#3
TheWife Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Utah Posts: 4,180	Re: A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! Is it maybe too that the owners weren't around? Some of them might not live there? Just a thought.

August 14th, 2004, 07:57	#4
rausda27 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,230	Re: A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! It may also have to do with the uncertainty of a hurricane. Where I work we have 96 aircraft and we have organized a relocation/evacuation plan if the huricane is forcast to hit our area with sustained winds over 74 MPH. I think this hurricane illustrates how these storms are difficult to forecast. They originally said that it was going to make landfall in Tampa and actually hit farther south and its strength was forcast to be less. Aircraft owners may not of known that is was going to hit their field and where would you fly your aircraft? You could inadvertainly fly to an airport out of the hurricanes projected path and end up landing at an airport that is going to get slammed. What if the aircraft you saw where aiplanes from the Tampa airports that were relocated to a supposedly "safer" area? DOn't assume that the owners knew that they aircraft were going to sustain damage, its just that in these scenarios it is hard to determine whether or not you are going to be affected and sometimes you just have to hope it doesn't casue damage to your property.

August 14th, 2004, 08:49	#5
danielsexton Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: CSG Posts: 186	Re: A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! [ QUOTE ] Methinks there were probably a lot of 'out of annual' GA aircraft with corrosion damage, years out of AD compliance and other problems that were left on the ramp. Why fix the aircraft when all it takes is a seasonal storm and a little AVEMCO insurance to put some cash in your pocket? [/ QUOTE ] I agree w/ Doug, I am sure when the adjuster comes around that aircraft "was in tip top shape" and the owner was in too big of a hurry to evacuate to worry about the aircraft, etc. etc. etc.

August 14th, 2004, 09:10	#6
eeg Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Fo\' Laudydaudy, FL. Posts: 235	Re: A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! [ QUOTE ] So I ve been watching the whole Charley hurricane thing on Fox and I can't believe how many piled up GA planes I've seen on the news. Most with fuselages bent in half and fun stuff like that. What pisses me off is that hurricanes are forcasted days in advance. Hello! did they think to fly them out of there to the panhandle or someplace safe? No, now the insurance companies will have total most of them and raise rates to compensate for it. Its not like planes are in mass production anymore these days like back in the 70's. We gotta protect what we got instead of totaling and parting them out cause someone was to lazy to fly it out. Heck all they gotta do is call up Flight Safety or Pan Am for some dudes to ferry them, that would be like throwing meat to ravenous dogs for low-timers looking for some time. {/ranting off} [/ QUOTE ] I can't believe what I just read. How dare you rant about something as shallow as a few bent and totalled GA airplanes. Have you actually seen the damage that this hurricane has done? How many people lost their homes? How many people killed? Even the people in shelters weren't safe. The big weather GURU'S predicted Charley to go to Tampa so people in Tampa where evac'd but Charley tore straight through Punta Gorda instead. Charley was supposed to be a Category 2 but when it arrived on shore it was a Category 4, Hurricane Andrew was a CAT 4 in 1992 and I'm guessing you didn't see the damage that storm produced. Bro please!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img]

August 14th, 2004, 09:25	#7
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,252	Re: A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! [ QUOTE ] So I ve been watching the whole Charley hurricane thing on Fox and I can't believe how many piled up GA planes I've seen on the news. Most with fuselages bent in half and fun stuff like that. What pisses me off is that hurricanes are forcasted days in advance. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, and as we saw yesterday, those predictions can be very wrong. Ask all the people that evaced from Tampa to Orlando to "escape" the hurricane. My flight school gave the aircraft owners (all of our planes are lease back, so the school legally COULDN'T fly the planes out. I tried to convince them to let me and my instructor at least take the Seneca to AL) the option to fly their planes out. Most declined since the winds were only supposed to be 40-60 mph. So, the planes got lashed down double tight and had air spoilers put on the wings. Would've worked if the storm had gone as predicted. Instead, it is catastrophic.

August 14th, 2004, 09:48	#8
eeg Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Fo\' Laudydaudy, FL. Posts: 235	Re: A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! Kellwolf, do you fly out of Sanford?

August 14th, 2004, 10:08	#9
H46Bubba Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: CVG Posts: 4,095	Re: A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! Kellwolf, how bad is it down at Exec? As far as up here, I know Starpot and Falcon got hit pretty hard. Airplanes tossed about and their hangar doors blown out. As far as Avion and DCA, I haven't gotten out there yet. I've been trying to reach DCA all morning, to see how we fared. I know OIA got slammed also.

August 14th, 2004, 12:26	#10
I_Money Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal Posts: 5,645	Re: A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! I think Doug is probably right, also I am sure many went to protect their homes and ensure their families are safe before worrying about some replacable position they rarely use.

August 14th, 2004, 12:40	#11
montanapilot Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portland, Orygun Posts: 1,638	Re: A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! [ QUOTE ] I can't believe what I just read. How dare you rant about something as shallow as a few bent and totalled GA airplanes. Have you actually seen the damage that this hurricane has done? How many people lost their homes? How many people killed? Even the people in shelters weren't safe. The big weather GURU'S predicted Charley to go to Tampa so people in Tampa where evac'd but Charley tore straight through Punta Gorda instead. Charley was supposed to be a Category 2 but when it arrived on shore it was a Category 4, Hurricane Andrew was a CAT 4 in 1992 and I'm guessing you didn't see the damage that storm produced. Bro please!!! [/ QUOTE ] Please point out where in my post I downplayed the property damage that happened and the loss of life that occured.

August 14th, 2004, 12:43	#12
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,252	Re: A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! [ QUOTE ] Kellwolf, how bad is it down at Exec? As far as up here, I know Starpot and Falcon got hit pretty hard. Airplanes tossed about and their hangar doors blown out. As far as Avion and DCA, I haven't gotten out there yet. I've been trying to reach DCA all morning, to see how we fared. I know OIA got slammed also. [/ QUOTE ] Bad. That's about the best I can say. City officials are reporting about 1/3rd of the aircraft at Exec are either damaged or upside down. Hangar doors are just GONE. The T hangars on the west side looked like they collapsed in places. From the helicopter footage, it looked like CAP Flying's Cougar was alright, but not sure about their other planes. I saw some planes crushed like tin cans. I've only seen a little footage from MCO, but it didn't look all that hot, either. I heard SFB got hit almost (if not as hard) as ORL did. Wanna see how bad it was? Click here.

August 14th, 2004, 12:57	#13
Grabo172 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Peterborough, NH Posts: 1,269	Re: A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! Owwwww... that hurts just looking at that... Why didn't they get those planes out of there or in a hanger? Usually people are pretty open to letting some one use an empty hanger for things like this!

August 14th, 2004, 13:04	#14
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,252	Re: A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! [ QUOTE ] Why didn't they get those planes out of there or in a hanger? [/ QUOTE ] Well, no hangar space was left (they put the two Cirrus planes and the Citabria in the one they owned) at ORL, plus they gave the owners of the planes the option of flying them out. Since Air Orlando doesn't OWN any of those, they can't just take them out of the state. Plus, until yesterday afternoon, the storm was SUPPOSED to go through Tampa and Ocala. At worst we would've seen 45 mph winds, not the 105 we got. From the look of things, not sure if the hangars would've helped or hurt. Our manitenance hangar collapsed, taking a few more 172s and our one other Seneca with it.

August 14th, 2004, 14:11	#15
eeg Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Fo\' Laudydaudy, FL. Posts: 235	Re: A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! I wish you guy's the best of luck and keep your heads up. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

August 14th, 2004, 16:05	#16
Grabo172 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Peterborough, NH Posts: 1,269	Re: A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! [ QUOTE ] Well, no hangar space was left (they put the two Cirrus planes and the Citabria in the one they owned) at ORL, plus they gave the owners of the planes the option of flying them out. Since Air Orlando doesn't OWN any of those, they can't just take them out of the state. Plus, until yesterday afternoon, the storm was SUPPOSED to go through Tampa and Ocala. At worst we would've seen 45 mph winds, not the 105 we got. From the look of things, not sure if the hangars would've helped or hurt. Our manitenance hangar collapsed, taking a few more 172s and our one other Seneca with it. [/ QUOTE ] It did make an unexpected shift... I'm here about 6 miles North east of Charleston and we barely got a rain shower today as it went past. I haven't seen how my airport is yet, it's alot closer to where the charley went through. It actually went right over our practice area. It's just a shame to see all those planes destroyed. It was weird how the Katana didn't get touched though. I know they are tough planes, but yeesh [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

August 14th, 2004, 16:30	#17
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,252	Re: A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! [ QUOTE ] It was weird how the Katana didn't get touched though. I know they are tough planes, but yeesh [/ QUOTE ] Something about the aerodynamics and how you can't sideslip them or something. My instructor told me why they weren't tossed around like balls of paper, but I was too broken up over my poor twin being wrecked. I was in CHS for about 20 minutes the other day. Did my long X/C up there and back. Left RIGHT before the t-storms hit.

August 14th, 2004, 16:41	#18
USMCmech Old Skool Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 1,557	Re: A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! [ QUOTE ] . My flight school gave the aircraft owners (all of our planes are lease back, so the school legally COULDN'T fly the planes out. I tried to convince them to let me and my instructor at least take the Seneca to AL) the option to fly their planes out. Most declined since the winds were only supposed to be 40-60 mph. So, the planes got lashed down double tight and had air spoilers put on the wings. Would've worked if the storm had gone as predicted. Instead, it is catastrophic. [/ QUOTE ] If I were an owner I wouldn't have minded having the flight school move them. In fact I would have specificaly asked them to. The forcast winds of 40-60 were plenty stong enough to do signicant damage, not to mention the fact that forcasts are often wrong. Simply flying them Talahase would have saved them. People don't seem to understand that a huricane is hundreds of miles wide, and when forcasters say it will make landfall 100 miles away from you, it still can cause wind damage and lots of flooding.

August 14th, 2004, 16:45	#19
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,252	Re: A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! [ QUOTE ] If I were an owner I wouldn't have minded having the flight school move them. In fact I would have specificaly asked them to. [/ QUOTE ] Same here. But if the trouble to have it fixed and possibly scheme some extra $$ from the insurance company outweighs the trouble of having it flown out, guess which one the owners are gonna take. I kept trying to get them to let me fly anything out of here. Sad thing is, the Seneca belonged to the guy who owns the FBO.

August 14th, 2004, 16:51	#20
FLYMcDoofer Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: JZI Posts: 217	Re: A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! [ QUOTE ] I was in CHS for about 20 minutes the other day. Did my long X/C up there and back [/ QUOTE ] You should have gone to JZI though......

August 14th, 2004, 19:31	#21
H46Bubba Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: CVG Posts: 4,095	Re: A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! Kellwolf, Hey sorry about your FBO. Your pictures paint a picture than no pilot or owner wants to see. I would have to say thay you all got it the worst. I took a jaunt out to SFB this morning to check things out. DCA got spared. We only lost an Arrow. I didn't get a good look at Avion. Most of the small hangars had their doors blown off. By the time I got to Starport, they were just finishing up with the damaged aircraft. The airfield was closed witht he exception of the oversees charters doing the visual approach. Exec definitely got the brunt of the storm.

August 14th, 2004, 21:50	#22
sigmanu499 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 232	Re: A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! It really sad how many people dont care about their airplanes. At out field we have several with moss growing on the wings, no air in tires, birdnests, haven't moved in 15 years and the list goes on. I saw the pictures on CNN, I would guess that most of them were this type of owner or just very stupid.

August 16th, 2004, 15:16	#23
EDUC8-or Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: NC Posts: 2,146	Re: A Few Stupid Florida Aircraft Owners! It's pretty insensitive to call these people stupid. I made about 10 runs up to GA to take planes out of harms way. I had about 30 messges on top of that asking if I could fly more. Are you going to fly your plane out and leave your families and homes to be damaged or destroyed. The forecast was WRONG so lay off. Lots of people either tried to get their planes out and couldn't and lots of the ones left behind were secured very well. If it's up to me to protect my loved ones and home or fly my plane to safety that's an easy decision to make.

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