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August 11th, 2004, 23:05
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|  Re: Wichita\'s final 757 to take a bow
[ QUOTE ] Oh well. I never really liked the 757 anyways. [/ QUOTE ] Woah[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] ...............The 757 is an awesome aircraft! |
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August 11th, 2004, 23:11
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| Re: Wichita\'s final 757 to take a bow
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Oh well. I never really liked the 757 anyways. [/ QUOTE ] Woah[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] ...............The 757 is an awesome aircraft! [/ QUOTE ] Yeah but I never like it. It was never a true aircraft IMO. To me real airplanes are ones like the 727, 737, 747 and MD-11. |
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August 11th, 2004, 23:16
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| Newbie  Join Date: May 2004 Location: Providence, RI
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| Re: Wichita\'s final 757 to take a bow
ah shucks, you mean all these years I thought the 757, 777, Concorde were real aircraft! damn this decietful world. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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August 11th, 2004, 23:26
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| Old Skool  | Re: Wichita\'s final 757 to take a bow
[ QUOTE ] [quote stretch-8's I'ma bit of a size queen and prefer the 737-900's tho truly there is lil to no diff tween the planes cept for size. Matthew [/ QUOTE ] Well, we have a winner here, somebody that thinks that bigger is better, as for the stretch 8, only in warm water. |
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August 11th, 2004, 23:30
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[ QUOTE ] Yeah but I never like it. It was never a true aircraft IMO. To me real airplanes are ones like the 727, 737, 747 and MD-11. [/ QUOTE ] Please Brian explain to me what makes ALL the planes you listed a "real" plane vs. the 757. Matthew |
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August 12th, 2004, 00:00
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| Re: Wichita\'s final 757 to take a bow
I guess it's not so bad. I just don't like it too much because I haven't heard about it as much as the 727 and 747 have made a legend. That's what I meant by "real airplanes".  |
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August 12th, 2004, 00:24
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| Re: Wichita\'s final 757 to take a bow
[ QUOTE ] Yeah but I never like it. It was never a true aircraft IMO. To me real airplanes are ones like the 727, 737, 747 and MD-11. [/ QUOTE ] Just how is an 757 not a true aircraft? What is that supposed to mean? Seems like it flies in the air pretty well. I'll bet there's even a flight sim profile for it somewhere on the web! |
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August 12th, 2004, 00:27
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Space Shuttle
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| Re: Wichita\'s final 757 to take a bow
[ QUOTE ] Yeah but I never like it. It was never a true aircraft IMO. To me real airplanes are ones like the 727, 737, 747 and MD-11. [/ QUOTE ] The 757 is the coolest plane ever. The slender look of it. And the performance of it are amazing. I've always wanted to fly the 757 out of SNA, I hear its quite a ride! |
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August 12th, 2004, 02:23
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| Re: Wichita\'s final 757 to take a bow
[ QUOTE ] I guess it's not so bad. I just don't like it too much because I haven't heard about it as much as the 727 and 747 have made a legend. That's what I meant by "real airplanes". [/ QUOTE ] 'Cause the MD-11 is a legend, right? |
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August 12th, 2004, 02:28
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| Re: Wichita\'s final 757 to take a bow
Man, I love the 757... Definately one of my 'goal' aircraft, 40 years from now... By then they'll be ol' buckets of rust. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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August 12th, 2004, 03:02
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| Re: Wichita\'s final 757 to take a bow
I guess I just forget how young you are Brian. Seriously man, posts like that are just rediculous. Oh well though you'll learn eventually. I know I used to make posts like that over at Airliners.net. I dont know how many A vs. B wars I started over there. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Oh well though you'll learn eventually, just try to read your post before you post it alright man. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Tom |
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August 12th, 2004, 03:10
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| Re: Wichita\'s final 757 to take a bow
...Aren't you amongst the under 18 set yourself there UAL747400? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/spin2.gif[/img] Matthew |
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August 12th, 2004, 03:20
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| Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND (UND)/ Davenport, IA
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actually I'm 19. I know my grammer sucks but sheesh, I thought I used words big enough to make it seem like I'm older. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Tom |
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August 12th, 2004, 04:10
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| Agent Smith  | Re: Wichita\'s final 757 to take a bow
[ QUOTE ] And by stretch 8's you mean the 737-800's? [/ QUOTE ] Ah no young Padawan, the "Stretch 8's" are extended DC-8's... Much like this:  Beautiful... even with no windows! |
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August 12th, 2004, 11:35
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| Re: Wichita\'s final 757 to take a bow
[ QUOTE ] Well yea wasn't talking bout the successor of the 737 coming out in the next 5-10 or even 15 yrs. but I would think that Boeing should at least be open to the idea and figure that they have done all that they could do to keep the 737 program alive for the next untold amount of more years to come. And start at least thinking about it's sucessor. Matthew [/ QUOTE ] Yes I agree. Obviously the success or failure of the 7E7 will provide any template for a next generation of 737 size jets. |
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August 12th, 2004, 11:52
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| Re: Wichita\'s final 757 to take a bow
Many fine memories of the 8, my first assignment at D. The short 8 was a hot rod. The joke about the stretch was you didn't really fly it you kind of herded it. In turbulence those wings would flap up and down, while the engines went in all directions on their pylons. The tail would wag back and forth so much that from the cockpit the aft jumpseat would dissapear from view as the tail went side to side. Bend but not break. The 8 was a floater with tiny brakes. So lots of them went off the runway end, especially early on. Reverse thrust on the new engines helps that. No speedbrakes. Lots of idle thrust and a clean profile meant you could hardly get it down. It is certified to allow reverse thrust in flight on the inboard engines. Did it a few times with the old engines, but not with the new ones, since the thrust reversers were too effective. ie it was supposed to be like hitting a brick wall, not cool for passengers. Everything was cable operated. DC was short for Douglas Cable Company. That was good from a engineer standpoint. Just grab a handle and move it, no electrons. Bad thing was no ground air conditioning. So you were dependant on gate or portable air. Then you'd load up and on a hot day hope to get off the ground before cabin hit 90 or higher. Remember some long taxis at DFW in the summer that got ugly. The starters on the old engines let out a scream when they were engaged. Everybody in ATL knew when an 8 was starting up. Since no APU you were dependent on ground power and air. More than one 8 got left at the gate with an engine running after the crew, in a hurry to make h-hour, forgot to secure the last engine after power was hooked up. That usually meant a visit to the CP office. Of course the engineer was responsible for that. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I was lucky enough to fly it as an FO. Many captains would not leave it for the L-1011. When the 8 was finally retired some retired with it. But most made the transition to L-1011. There were a lot of bets going as to which captains wouldn't make it, but I think they all did. What a machine. |
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August 12th, 2004, 11:58
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| Agent Smith | Re: Wichita\'s final 757 to take a bow
I got a chance to look at 717's at various stages of being built and the "DC" thing is certainly alive and kicking! Underneath the floor paneling are enough cables to make your eyes pop out! Thanks for the "Diesel Eight" memories! |
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August 12th, 2004, 12:21
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| Re: Wichita\'s final 757 to take a bow
[ QUOTE ] I got a chance to look at 717's at various stages of being built and the "DC" thing is certainly alive and kicking! Underneath the floor paneling are enough cables to make your eyes pop out! Thanks for the "Diesel Eight" memories! [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, when the new engines were put on, the 8 got a complete overhaul. Went over and saw all the cables. Then I got assigned as fo on one of the first test flights of the first overhaul. NOT GOOD. Things were not doing what they were supposed to. We were not far into the test flight when the captain told the lead mechanic that he had had enough and wanted to go home. The mechanic was relieved and said something like: "please, just get us on the ground". After that their learning curve on rigging new cables improved dramatically. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] |
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August 12th, 2004, 13:16
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| Re: Wichita\'s final 757 to take a bow
[ QUOTE ] Many fine memories of the 8, my first assignment at D. [/ QUOTE ] Awesome stories!!! Thanks for a smile or two this morning (OK, it's morning to me... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]) |
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August 12th, 2004, 13:18
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| Re: Wichita\'s final 757 to take a bow
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And by stretch 8's you mean the 737-800's? [/ QUOTE ] Ah no young Padawan, the "Stretch 8's" are extended DC-8's... Much like this: Beautiful... even with no windows! [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, they are BIG and Beautiful! Especially when you taxi by one of the UPS ones at KPIE in a PA-28! Those big turbofans on those outboard pylons always seemed like they would be a handful on a crosswind landing. Wasn't the DC-8 the largest plane until the 747 came along? |
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August 12th, 2004, 13:35
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| Re: Wichita\'s final 757 to take a bow
How can you dislike the 757!?! http://www.airliners.net/open.file/011768/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/479864/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/472729/L/ |
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August 12th, 2004, 13:46
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| Re: Wichita\'s final 757 to take a bow
[ QUOTE ] Those big turbofans on those outboard pylons always seemed like they would be a handful on a crosswind landing. Wasn't the DC-8 the largest plane until the 747 came along? [/ QUOTE ] Scraping the outboard engines in a crosswind was a problem. And many if not most of them got some paint taken off. The 8 was flown with control tabs and was not very responsive in roll, especially at approach speeds. This is much as anything was the source of "herd it instead of fly it". In gusty winds you made big corrections with the ailerons, kind of stirred the tail around with the rudders, and hoped it all averaged out to on the runway going mostly straight. The 8 and the 707 were the big airplanes at their introduction. I don't know which one ended up with the highest gross weight certification, but I'd guess the 8. Of course I'm talking in the past tense. I'd take a job flying an 8 in a minute. The old girl still has a lot of hauling to do. |
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August 12th, 2004, 17:04
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| Re: Wichita\'s final 757 to take a bow
[ QUOTE ] I guess it's not so bad. I just don't like it too much because I haven't heard about it as much as the 727 and 747 have made a legend. That's what I meant by "real airplanes". [/ QUOTE ] Probably because the 72/72 have been around 20-30 years longer than the 75. The stupidest thing I heard Boeing say about discountinuing the 75 was "it's too old of a design." HELLO! Let's see 737s....1960s, 757....1980s. In comparison to the 737NGs, If you put a plasma TV(NG) in an old house(Classic), you still have an old house. The 757 was a new house, and they scrapped it. Bad move Boeing By the way, the MD11 didn't make the legend.....the DC10 did. The MD11 has tarnished the legend if anything. Doug, I remember going into Stapleton (The REAL Denver) and seeing United's stretched 8s at the gates. Awesome. |
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August 12th, 2004, 17:42
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| Re: Wichita\'s final 757 to take a bow
[ QUOTE ] The 757 was a new house, and they scrapped it. Bad move Boeing [/ QUOTE ] I agree the 757 will be a legend and will fly for many years to come. I suspect there are two reasons the sales dried up for the 757. One was fuel economy, then 737 stretch and A-320 derivatives had better fuel specifics and the second was that it really was an old design that was probably very expensive to maintain. The manufacturers are concentrating on cost of maintenance almost as much as fuel burn. 757 is a great airplane, like the 8, from a pilot's perspective, but probably not from a bean counter's. And they do rule the world. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img] |
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August 12th, 2004, 22:33
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The 757 was a new house, and they scrapped it. Bad move Boeing [/ QUOTE ] I agree the 757 will be a legend and will fly for many years to come. I suspect there are two reasons the sales dried up for the 757. One was fuel economy, then 737 stretch and A-320 derivatives had better fuel specifics and the second was that it really was an old design that was probably very expensive to maintain. The manufacturers are concentrating on cost of maintenance almost as much as fuel burn. 757 is a great airplane, like the 8, from a pilot's perspective, but probably not from a bean counter's. And they do rule the world. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Well...what about the 757-300. though not a new design or re-design at all they (Boeing engineers) did tinker around with it a bit and gave it superior fuel specifics and a much lower cost per seat mile. A book I have here says the 757-300 has the lowest fuel cost per mile of any two engined plane in it's class so that would include the NG737 as well as the A320's. It's a shame to see a great airplane heading into the sunset so early more especially a great plane like the 757. The 7E7 will have alot of shoe to fill in my opinion. More especially since it seems to be more of a replacement for the 767 then the seven-five. Matthew |
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