Can this be legally done?

eeg · June 27th, 2004, 13:23

Lets say I buy a ELITE PI-135 Basic ATD (it's FAA approaved for Instrument currency) can I rent it out hourly? Is it legal to do if you're not a CFII yet? This will be setup for pilots that don't want to go through the hassles of going to the airport, renting an airplane and spending a bunch of $.

Thanks in advance.

Andrew415 · June 27th, 2004, 15:40

you need insurance which will be insnae

mtsu_av8er · June 27th, 2004, 15:53

Ummm...without a CFII, who's going to give the instruction? You can't just jump on a PCATD, fly an approach and then log it....

stuckingfk · June 27th, 2004, 15:57

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you need insurance which will be insnae

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It isn't a plane, so the insurance is a mute point.

JDMcFly · June 27th, 2004, 16:01

yeah I hear insurance for them FTDs are outrageous!

mtsu_av8er · June 27th, 2004, 16:04

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yeah I hear insurance for them FTDs are outrageous!

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You should see what I'm spending on my FS2002 Skyhawk - imagine on the PCATD!!

Andrew415 · June 27th, 2004, 16:37

woah i feel stupid now i thought he said PA-28 (cherokee) , man i must of read it fast

my bad

eeg · June 27th, 2004, 16:45

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Ummm...without a CFII, who's going to give the instruction? You can't just jump on a PCATD, fly an approach and then log it....

[/ QUOTE ]

I see what you're saying but to stay current you don't need a CFI. You would only need one for an IPC and that's after you passed the 6th month without doing your holds, radial tracking and instrument appraches. If I'm IFR rated and I'm nearing that magical 6th month I can just go rent an airplane for a couple of hours and complete the things that I need to stay current. Right? As long as I have a safety pilot with me if it's in VMC. With a FAA approved PCATD you skip all that, or am I missing something?

eeg · June 27th, 2004, 16:47

[ QUOTE ]
woah i feel stupid now i thought he said PA-28 (cherokee) , man i must of read it fast

my bad

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't feel stupid, 'twas a simple mistake

DE727UPS · June 27th, 2004, 17:44

Excerpt from AC61-126:

"PCATD's determined to meet the criteria established by this AC may be
used in lieu of, and for not more than, 10 hours of time that ordinarily may be acquired in a flight simulator
or flight training device authorized for use under part 61 or part 141. However, the FAA has not
authorized the use of PCATD's for conducting practical tests nor for accomplishing recency of experience
requirements."

Sorry....

EatSleepFly · June 27th, 2004, 17:45

Not to mention that time on a flight training device or sim can't be logged period, unless its signed by a CFII or IGI.

kellwolf · June 27th, 2004, 22:36

There is one PCATD (the Elite G500 I think) that is certified for currency. I got that off the FAA's website somewhere. You can use FTDs for currency training (Frasca's, etc), but not PCATDs. Not sure what the overall difference is other than software.

eeg · June 28th, 2004, 03:08

Thank you very much for your help guy's.

Erik

June 27th, 2004, 13:23	#1
eeg Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Fo\' Laudydaudy, FL. Posts: 235	Can this be legally done? Lets say I buy a ELITE PI-135 Basic ATD (it's FAA approaved for Instrument currency) can I rent it out hourly? Is it legal to do if you're not a CFII yet? This will be setup for pilots that don't want to go through the hassles of going to the airport, renting an airplane and spending a bunch of $. Thanks in advance.

June 27th, 2004, 15:40	#2
Andrew415 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Trenton , Ontario , Canada Posts: 89	Re: Can this be legally done? you need insurance which will be insnae

June 27th, 2004, 15:53	#3
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,590	Re: Can this be legally done? Ummm...without a CFII, who's going to give the instruction? You can't just jump on a PCATD, fly an approach and then log it....

June 27th, 2004, 15:57	#4
stuckingfk Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: El Forko Grande Posts: 2,630	Re: Can this be legally done? [ QUOTE ] you need insurance which will be insnae [/ QUOTE ] It isn't a plane, so the insurance is a mute point.

June 27th, 2004, 16:01	#5
JDMcFly Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New York Posts: 1,694	Re: Can this be legally done? yeah I hear insurance for them FTDs are outrageous!

June 27th, 2004, 16:04	#6
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,590	Re: Can this be legally done? [ QUOTE ] yeah I hear insurance for them FTDs are outrageous! [/ QUOTE ] You should see what I'm spending on my FS2002 Skyhawk - imagine on the PCATD!!

June 27th, 2004, 16:37	#7
Andrew415 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Trenton , Ontario , Canada Posts: 89	Re: Can this be legally done? woah i feel stupid now i thought he said PA-28 (cherokee) , man i must of read it fast my bad

June 27th, 2004, 16:45	#8
eeg Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Fo\' Laudydaudy, FL. Posts: 235	Re: Can this be legally done? [ QUOTE ] Ummm...without a CFII, who's going to give the instruction? You can't just jump on a PCATD, fly an approach and then log it.... [/ QUOTE ] I see what you're saying but to stay current you don't need a CFI. You would only need one for an IPC and that's after you passed the 6th month without doing your holds, radial tracking and instrument appraches. If I'm IFR rated and I'm nearing that magical 6th month I can just go rent an airplane for a couple of hours and complete the things that I need to stay current. Right? As long as I have a safety pilot with me if it's in VMC. With a FAA approved PCATD you skip all that, or am I missing something?

June 27th, 2004, 16:47	#9
eeg Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Fo\' Laudydaudy, FL. Posts: 235	Re: Can this be legally done? [ QUOTE ] woah i feel stupid now i thought he said PA-28 (cherokee) , man i must of read it fast my bad [/ QUOTE ] Don't feel stupid, 'twas a simple mistake

June 27th, 2004, 17:44	#10
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,577	Advisory Circular 61-126 won\'t allow this Excerpt from AC61-126: "PCATD's determined to meet the criteria established by this AC may be used in lieu of, and for not more than, 10 hours of time that ordinarily may be acquired in a flight simulator or flight training device authorized for use under part 61 or part 141. However, the FAA has not authorized the use of PCATD's for conducting practical tests nor for accomplishing recency of experience requirements." Sorry....

June 27th, 2004, 17:45	#11
EatSleepFly Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ?? Posts: 4,600	Re: Advisory Circular 61-126 won\'t allow this Not to mention that time on a flight training device or sim can't be logged period, unless its signed by a CFII or IGI.

June 27th, 2004, 22:36	#12
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,230	Re: Advisory Circular 61-126 won\'t allow this There is one PCATD (the Elite G500 I think) that is certified for currency. I got that off the FAA's website somewhere. You can use FTDs for currency training (Frasca's, etc), but not PCATDs. Not sure what the overall difference is other than software.

June 28th, 2004, 03:08	#13
eeg Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Fo\' Laudydaudy, FL. Posts: 235	Re: Advisory Circular 61-126 won\'t allow this Thank you very much for your help guy's. Erik

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