documentaries on TV

[lazydogg]

Thought you all might like to know there are a couple documentaries on TV.

Aeroperu Flight 603
Flying Blind Sat 6/19 2:00 PM ch. 276 NGC (national geographic channel) - for those with DTV.

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Trails of Intrigue:

Mon Jun 21 10:00 pm ch. 276 NGC

[Doug Taylor]

What are they about?

[lazydogg]

...yeah that would help

flying bilind is about aeorperu flight 603 - october 2, 1996 heres a link:
web page


trials of intrigue - not sure exactly what flight but here's a quick description: "Azores Plane"
A commercial jetliner with no power glides more than 70 miles to land safely on the nearest island.

[Doug Taylor]

Dang, pop up ad city!

I certainly hope he's at least breaking even because I can't even look at the page without *congratulations! you've won!*

[Tim]

If I had a dollar for everytime a pop up ad said I won I would retire today and never have to work again.
Doug thanks for no pop ups here...

[Doug Taylor]

Pop up ads are the scourge of the internet and I will never accept a pop up ad on jetcareers.

On average, they pay out a lot more, but it's not worth it in my opinion.

[Tim]

And I probably speak for everyone and say thanks

[kellwolf]

They ran Flying Blind a couple of weeks ago back to back with a show on a DC-9? that had the elevator go out. It spiraled into the Pacific on approach to LAX. I think it MIGHT have been Aloha, but I can't remember. Both of them were pretty interesting. The first half of the show was basically a dramatization of the incidents, and the second half was aftermath such as family responses and legal cases.

[Tim]

Alaska Airlines had a MD-80 crash in the pacific. May have been the one you saw. The elevator screw was installed wrong or something like that

[Doug Taylor]

You mean the Alaska Airlines accident a few years ago?

[mtsu_av8er]

It was Alaska 261 - watched it last night. one of the worst documentaries I've ever seen.

[kellwolf]

Yeah, Alaska. It was DEFINATLEY an "A" word.....

[mtsu_av8er]

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Yeah, Alaska. It was DEFINATLEY an "A" word.....

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Yeah, but once you've flown Alaskan, you know about customer service and comfort!!!!!

[Doug Taylor]

A little off-topic, but I've only flown Alaska Air once and I haven't seen a better product EVER. In fact one of our friends is an Alaska Airlines FA and Kristie and I were almost starstruck when we found out!

[Tim]

I watched a show the other night about guys flying in Alaska and those 737 drivers have it tough when they go to Point Barrow and other places so remote. The bush guys are real fly by seat of pants guys plus GPS

[flyover]

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I watched a show the other night about guys flying in Alaska and those 737 drivers have it tough when they go to Point Barrow and other places so remote. The bush guys are real fly by seat of pants guys plus GPS

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yes Alaska has been doing some cool flying since their inception. And their safety record is impeccable. That's why I got a little upset when their name was smeared because of a maintenance mistake that led to the MD-80 accident near LAX.

You have to look at the total picture. Alaska is safe and provides outstanding service. Great airline!

I imagine any documentary of that accident would do the usual dark "cutting corners for evil profits" scam. It can't be an honest mistake, cause where's the drama and evil intentions in that?

Dave

[mtsu_av8er]

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I imagine any documentary of that accident would do the usual dark "cutting corners for evil profits" scam.

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There was a dark "cutting corners for evil profits" scam going on at Alaska. There was a huge investigation and the Airline was fined big time.

Often times, I'm a believer in honest mistakes. However, there are interlocks designed into most programs and systems to catch those mistakes.

Mistakes didn't cause that crash - faulty decisions regarding maintenance practices did.

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I imagine any documentary of that accident would do the usual dark "cutting corners for evil profits" scam.

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There was a dark "cutting corners for evil profits" scam going on at Alaska. There was a huge investigation and the Airline was fined big time.

Often times, I'm a believer in honest mistakes. However, there are interlocks designed into most programs and systems to catch those mistakes.

Mistakes didn't cause that crash - faulty decisions regarding maintenance practices did.

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Yeah. Exactly. Faulty decisions. Again, the problem is that Alaska has an exceptional safety record while operating ione of the most challenging route structures of any US airline.

You dont' get that over many decades by being evil corner cutting bad guys. On the other hand every cost has to be justified at any airline nowadays. So I agree with your "faulty decisions" comment, but take issue with any evil intentions.

Airlines are like individuals. You have to look at the whole picture, all their accomplishments. Focusing in on one accident in an otherwise stellar accident-free record distorts the picture of Alaska, IMO.

Dave

Dave

[mtsu_av8er]

Agreed, Dave. I really don't think that they had any evil intentions. They tried to save a buck, and it bit them. It could happen to everyone.

I'm a big fan of Alaska Airlines. It's unfortunate that the actions of a few can scar an otherwise wonderful company!! They'll get past it, though.

[MikeD]

Every company has an evil "The MAN" secretly calling the shots behind the scenes..........

Too bad I only have basic cable Stupid old people's community.

[mtsu_av8er]

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Too bad I only have basic cable( Stupid old people's community.

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Hey, the Home Owners' Association here doesn't understand why Comcast has to come run all of that cable in the first place. Dishes are off limits in the complex, because "...who would need all of those channels, anyway?".

That's the nature of being old...you're usually out of touch with the world...

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Agreed, Dave. I really don't think that they had any evil intentions. They tried to save a buck, and it bit them. It could happen to everyone.

I'm a big fan of Alaska Airlines. It's unfortunate that the actions of a few can scar an otherwise wonderful company!! They'll get past it, though.

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OK. I'm just getting a little touchy about the general evil assigned to profits. It makes me think that the socialist leanings of the media and public schools may be taking hold.

Let's fact it. If we ever want to see the kind of pay and benefits that we used to ascribe to the airline biz, we'd better hope they make lots and lots of profits. You can't have one without the other.

Profits are good. And it's always been the challenge of airlines to walk the line between safety and profit. The record shows they've done it exceedingly well. (Well at least the safety part, a little shaky on the profits).

Dave

[JaceTheAce]

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Dang, pop up ad city!

I certainly hope he's at least breaking even because I can't even look at the page without *congratulations! you've won!*

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Oh my god I won!!! This is amazing!!! I feel so lucky!!!

[tonyw]

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Profits are good. And it's always been the challenge of airlines to walk the line between safety and profit. The record shows they've done it exceedingly well. (Well at least the safety part, a little shaky on the profits).

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Safety, yes. Profits, no. From an investment standpoint, the best thing that could have happened back when the Wright Brothers took to the sky was the plane crashing.

Seriously, if you took all of the profits and losses of all the airlines in the world since the Wright Brothers took flight and summed them, you'd end up with a net loss.