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Old June 13th, 2008, 15:56   #1
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Default 3 caravan crashes within the past 6 months

I heard they are bore scoping all the engines in the field. Does anyone know the reasons for any of these failures?
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Old June 13th, 2008, 16:03   #2
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I heard they are bore scoping all the engines in the field. Does anyone know the reasons for any of these failures?
Where did you "hear" that?
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Old June 13th, 2008, 21:58   #3
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Well sounds like its true. I rode with a corporate air pilot back to the airport today. He pretty much confirmed all there C-208's are being bore scoped. Two weeks ago they found were the igniters were located numerous cracks on the engine. He was going to have to ferry one for the inspection in the next day or two.
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I believe him I'm just wondering if there is anything official out there. I was talking to one of our guys that had an engine failure in the van just a couple days ago.
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Old June 14th, 2008, 18:24   #5
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Default Re: 3 caravan crashes within the past 6 months

I know from over my way that P&W came to one of our bases and did some scoping. After a couple went down in the last 12 months and some compressor stalls in cruise something is going on. From what I've heard numerous defects have been found, new power sections have been given out and "further testing is on-going".
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Old June 14th, 2008, 21:17   #6
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That's kinda scarry. The PT-6 in most applicatinos is rock solid. Hopefully it was just a bad spell of QC at the factory
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I believe him I'm just wondering if there is anything official out there. I was talking to one of our guys that had an engine failure in the van just a couple days ago.
Who, What, When, Where I didn't hear anything about this. I'm kinda in the booneys...
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Default Re: 3 caravan crashes within the past 6 months

Does this have anything to do with the drop zone C208 that "dead sticked" about 2 weeks back in Indiana?
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Who, What, When, Where I didn't hear anything about this. I'm kinda in the booneys...
English eludes me. It was the one down in BHM a while back. I talked to him this week.
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English eludes me. It was the one down in BHM a while back. I talked to him this week.
Oh I thought you meant the engine failure happened last week not talking to him. Yeah, I talked to him about it too awhile ago. Fun stuff!
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This is 2nd hand info from an fedex van operator
Engines with second rebuild between 600-1300hrs have been failing
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Old June 17th, 2008, 22:29   #12
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You could check for SB's from Pratt & Whitney or Cessna. May be too early for an official AD yet. I'll bet P&W knows something! It could also be a lousy rebuilder. It's certainly happened before with piston engines.
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 13:47   #13
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I saw a hot section from a Caravan a week ago that had just been replaced, it had cracks in several of the blades. It was on a trend monitoring system. I'm not sure how effective this system is but, I'm thinking some failures could be caused by operator mishandling the rather than manufacturing defects.
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Just thinking out loud but how do you mishandle a PT-6:

Maybe running with low oil(shouldn't have anything to do with the blades)
hot starts(a little extreme)
Putting a lot of hrs on one(Thats what it was made to do, run)
Over Torque(someone needs to be paying more attention to the gauges)

The PT-6 is a great engine that can withstand a lot. It's not bulletproof but it is as good as they come for single engine flying, as long as the manuf. is producing them correctly.
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I saw a hot section from a Caravan a week ago that had just been replaced, it had cracks in several of the blades. It was on a trend monitoring system. I'm not sure how effective this system is but, I'm thinking some failures could be caused by operator mishandling the rather than manufacturing defects.
If the Trend montoring shows it wasn't out of operational limits then it probably isn't the operators fault. I'm not sure exactly how often the trend monitor records, but I beleive it's every start and then a set interval after that. Unless you over temp it between the trend monitor, the hot section most likely will not crack under normal ops. Especially if there is a whole host of hot sections popping up in the -114 series.
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If the Trend montoring shows it wasn't out of operational limits then it probably isn't the operators fault. I'm not sure exactly how often the trend monitor records, but I beleive it's every start and then a set interval after that. Unless you over temp it between the trend monitor, the hot section most likely will not crack under normal ops. Especially if there is a whole host of hot sections popping up in the -114 series.
ETM on the -114 will record on start up, and again in set intervals between cycles. The problem with it is that you can be in an over torque/temp situation for large periods of time (10-15 seconds) before you get your picture taken.
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