Need Multi Turbine PIC

[ppragman]

Who's hiring guys into the left seat cargo wise for Multi Turbine PIC? ACC? Airnow? Amflight? Who down there in the states?

I'll have 135.243 in about three months, I've got like 870TT now, here's the break down or so

870TT
380 Multi
370 Turbine
430 PIC
All of the 135.243 mins, all I need is total time now. Plenty current on instruments (i'm flying FO in a 1900C flying boxes)

[Stone Cold]

It might help to give your times so people know where to start...

[minitour]

Is there 0 opportunity for you to upgrade where you're at?

-mini

[ljg]

Maybe an MU-2 Operator.

[Ian J]

Originally Posted by ppragman

Who's hiring guys into the left seat cargo wise for Multi Turbine PIC? ACC? Airnow? Amflight? Who down there in the states?

I'll have 135.243 in about three months, I've got like 870TT now, here's the break down or so

870TT
380 Multi
370 Turbine
430 PIC
All of the 135.243 mins, all I need is total time now. Plenty current on instruments (i'm flying FO in a 1900C flying boxes)

Does this mean you don't want to start in the props at Airnet anymore?

[ppragman]

Originally Posted by Ian J

Does this mean you don't want to start in the props at Airnet anymore?

I'd love to, I just got to see what my options are first. If I can get the same pay (doubtful) and benefits (double doubtful) as AIRNET and get to fly Multi-Turbine I'll go someplace else, but out of curiousity (*sp?) I'd like to know what my options are, and frankly, I don't know what any of the options down in the lower 48 are. Now to follow that run-on sentence, more than anything what I want is a place I can stay for the next three or four years and have the possibility to progress in pay and responsibility rather than just being an FO or as it is hear a Fuel-Truck Operator...

The problem with where I'm at is that I can't upgrade until I have an ATP. That being said, at 19 years old, it's impossible to get one. There's a chance that they'd commercial type me at 3000TT, but realistically, that's a pipe dream, and I don't want to wait around for 3.5 years at the same payscale. I also want to get out of the cold.

[JayAre]

Originally Posted by ppragman

Who's hiring guys into the left seat cargo wise for Multi Turbine PIC? ACC? Airnow? Amflight? Who down there in the states?

I'll have 135.243 in about three months, I've got like 870TT now, here's the break down or so

870TT
380 Multi
370 Turbine
430 PIC
All of the 135.243 mins, all I need is total time now. Plenty current on instruments (i'm flying FO in a 1900C flying boxes)

Maybe at AMF if you pick an outstation in the PDX base

Give Joni a call in recruiting

Heck maybe even mesa!

[Seggy]

Don't forget the option, no scratch that, REQUIREMENT and get your four year degree!

[ppragman]

Originally Posted by Seggy

Don't forget the option, no scratch that, REQUIREMENT and get your four year degree!

Workin' on it, go UVSC! about halfway done at this time.

[jtrain609]

Originally Posted by ppragman

Who's hiring guys into the left seat cargo wise for Multi Turbine PIC? ACC? Airnow? Amflight? Who down there in the states?

I'll have 135.243 in about three months, I've got like 870TT now, here's the break down or so

870TT
380 Multi
370 Turbine
430 PIC
All of the 135.243 mins, all I need is total time now. Plenty current on instruments (i'm flying FO in a 1900C flying boxes)

Amflight won't touch you until you hit 1200 total time. At that point you might be able to get yourself into a Beech 99 if you're willing to move anywhere in the system.

[Boris Badenov]

Originally Posted by ljg

Maybe an MU-2 Operator.

Not mine! I can't imagine that even ACT would put a guy with 1200 hours in an MU-2 alone.

No offense, but the 19 year old, 870 hour guys I've known who thought they were ready to be the only pilot in a twin turbine airplane not only weren't, but were far from it.

[ppragman]

Originally Posted by Boris Badenov

Not mine! I can't imagine that even ACT would put a guy with 1200 hours in an MU-2 alone.

No offense, but the 19 year old, 870 hour guys I've known who thought they were ready to be the only pilot in a twin turbine airplane not only weren't, but were far from it.

You'd be amazed at how often I get that kind of age discrimination. By the time I have 1200TT I'll have more time in turbines than time in pistions. 99% of that time in turbines is going to be hand flown (we only have one airplane with autopilot). How much more qualified would a 23 year old with 870TT be?

Ponemaew mnya?

[Citationkid]

Originally Posted by Boris Badenov

Not mine! I can't imagine that even ACT would put a guy with 1200 hours in an MU-2 alone.

No offense, but the 19 year old, 870 hour guys I've known who thought they were ready to be the only pilot in a twin turbine airplane not only weren't, but were far from it.

I'm 19 flying single pilot a turbine plane. Hopefully I am not "far from" ready to be flying it. It is much easier to fly than our old 414 or any other piston twin I have flown. I do have more than 870 hours though and have seen the attitude you are talking about, hell I had it when I was 15 or 16. A few friends killed in plane crashes and my own brush with death changed that though.

Alex.

[Queboat]

man you're letting the good years pass you by. go to a full time college and enjoy while you still can. trust me, flying will still be here when you come back, if you even want to.

[scramjet]

Originally Posted by Queboat

man you're letting the good years pass you by. go to a full time college and enjoy while you still can. trust me, flying will still be here when you come back, if you even want to.

Eh, I think that kind of experience is better then being stuck in college though to a certain extent. My mom, a country girl hadn't been very far when she was young, went in the Air Force saw the world, did a stint in a civilian job in Austria, learned a lot... She now has a Master's degree, some good jobs, and kicks around getting a PhD. Life is what you make of it. Grab it by the horns and don't let go. Get out there and do things. Okay that sounds like an old Dodge commercial but what the heck. By no means though do I mean neglect your education. Hell no. Okay off topic post done.

[Boris Badenov]

Personally, I wouldn't put a 40 year old with 870TT in charge of anything bigger than a 210, but that's me. You might consider that the difference between you and I on this question is that I've been 19, I've been 870TT, and I've been PIC on turbine equipment. Just something to think about. No one is saying you're a bad pilot, but it might behoove you to gain some PIC experience in the system before you run off to fly a 747.

That said, I hate the old bitter guys who think everyone needs to have it as hard as they did. If you can handle it, more power to you. I'd second what was said about Ameriflight and the 99 as the quickest way to TPIC for a low time guy. You might also look at Freight Runners in the 99 or Airnow in the EMB110, although last I heard they were still holding out for 2000TT. Whatever you decide, good luck.

PS. I'd also second what Queboat said about going to college. Whether you do it for ass, for grass, or for learning, it's something you'll never be able to go back and do the way you can when you're young. Flying ain't going anywhere.

[Citationkid]

Originally Posted by Queboat

man you're letting the good years pass you by. go to a full time college and enjoy while you still can. trust me, flying will still be here when you come back, if you even want to.

That really is the best advice so far. I am lucky to have a job that allows me to do both. If my boss made me make a choice between the job or school, I'd be back to instructing in a 172 inbetween classes. You gotta get educated!

Alex.

[ppragman]

Originally Posted by Queboat

man you're letting the good years pass you by. go to a full time college and enjoy while you still can. trust me, flying will still be here when you come back, if you even want to.

I went to college fulltime for a year before I started flying full time. I coulden't afford to go to school full time and not work at least half time, so believe me its a lot more fun to fly everyday than to work every hour or study every hour. I'm spending the good years exactly how I want to be - flying. I really want to get my time in so I can get a better job and have even more time to screw arround.

No one is saying you're a bad pilot, but it might behoove you to gain some PIC experience in the system before you run off to fly a 747.

Why do you think I wanna get a job flying like a beech 99 or something, to go and get some experience, it would be nice for someone to say, hey! come and fly this 747 we'll pay six figures and you can fly only when you want but that's not what's going to happen.

This post is one of the reasons that JC pisses me off, I try to get advice and you tell me how I'm wasting my life, or how I'm inexperienced. If you don't want to say something helpful then why say anything at all? I asked where I could get a job flying MTPIC, it seems interesting that only a couple of posts adress this

[aloft]

Originally Posted by ppragman

it would be nice for someone to say, hey! come and fly this 747 we'll pay six figures and you can fly only when you want but that's not what's going to happen.

I think the point they're trying to make is that getting a multi turbine PIC job with your hours is about as likely as the above. You're barely qualified to be an SIC in the equipment you're in now and should probably just cool your heels in the job you're in for a while and not worry about upgrading. Focus on learning and gaining experience instead. I don't know what it is with young guys, but they all seem to think that they have to be 737 captains at United by the time they're 30 (when life apparently ends...report to Carousel...lol).

[Ian J]

Originally Posted by ppragman

I went to college fulltime for a year before I started flying full time. I coulden't afford to go to school full time and not work at least half time, so believe me its a lot more fun to fly everyday than to work every hour or study every hour. I'm spending the good years exactly how I want to be - flying. I really want to get my time in so I can get a better job and have even more time to screw arround.



Why do you think I wanna get a job flying like a beech 99 or something, to go and get some experience, it would be nice for someone to say, hey! come and fly this 747 we'll pay six figures and you can fly only when you want but that's not what's going to happen.

This post is one of the reasons that JC pisses me off, I try to get advice and you tell me how I'm wasting my life, or how I'm inexperienced. If you don't want to say something helpful then why say anything at all? I asked where I could get a job flying MTPIC, it seems interesting that only a couple of posts adress this

Hey brother, I understand where you are coming from.

However...

Though flying TPIC aircraft once you reach 1200 hours is a possibility - it might not be very likely. Of course go out there and give it a shot - maybe you'll find something.

No matter what though, at your current hours you still don't qualify to work as a PIC for a part 135 freight operator. Those are the facts. At 1200 hours, you just barely qualify to PIC a Baron, Caravan or a Chieftain.

Having been an FO on a B1900 is no different than ex-Colgan guys who have done the same. You are both still low-time, and both don't qualify for 135 jobs as a PIC. The experience you have is fantastic to be sure, but hey, SIC time is still SIC time.

Your age isn't really relevant - ignore that stuff and try and get the important stuff out of this thread. You might (and I'm just guessing, not flaming), think a little more highly on your own experience than an employer would. I say this from my own experience. I have a past flying history that one might argue rivals yours, and I am flying piston twins for a living now.

The TPIC will come when it comes if you can't manage to find it now.

And my offer still stands from before.

[CE525BGuy]

Uhhh....I'm not sure if anyone has looked at the attrition rate at 135 operators lately, but you might find yourself in luck. I know for a fact ACC would hire you into the left seat at 1200. You are building TSIC in a 1900 right now, which puts you in the lead. Even so, if you only had piston time, as long as you had WX experience, you are golden over there. They are having a tough time holding down pilots, thats for sure.

Only thing is, it's slow time building in a slow, un-pressurized airplane. But, if it's time you have then go for it.

[WalterSobchak]

Originally Posted by ppragman

Who's hiring guys into the left seat cargo wise for Multi Turbine PIC? ACC? Airnow? Amflight? Who down there in the states?

I'll have 135.243 in about three months, I've got like 870TT now, here's the break down or so

870TT
380 Multi
370 Turbine
430 PIC
All of the 135.243 mins, all I need is total time now. Plenty current on instruments (i'm flying FO in a 1900C flying boxes)

Try Business Aviation or Encore or whatever they are called now. Out of Sioux Falls, SD. They run a good business very professional. You start out in a 402's and they have Metro's for the TP's mostly UPS . Also in MN there is Bemiji Aviation they fly Queen Airs and 99's UPS stuff. Frieght runners in WI has 402's and 99's as well doing UPS. All are good companies. I would reccomend Paccair were I used to fly frieght, but I don't think they are hiring. Just some food for thought. One of the members here flies for BA(encore) I'll give you his screen name if you are interested.

[ppragman]

Originally Posted by aloft

I think the point they're trying to make is that getting a multi turbine PIC job with your hours is about as likely as the above. You're barely qualified to be an SIC in the equipment you're in now and should probably just cool your heels in the job you're in for a while and not worry about upgrading. Focus on learning and gaining experience instead. I don't know what it is with young guys, but they all seem to think that they have to be 737 captains at United by the time they're 30 (when life apparently ends...report to Carousel...lol).

How far a long would you want to be after 11 years in the biz?

[N8389P]

AMF will work for you. Im 21 got a type in the metro and im going to bro class next month.

[germb747]

Wow, and I thought I was ahead of the game when I was 19 and fresh CFI ticket and only 300 hours. Of course, I went to college full time and only flew about 50 hours a year when I was there. I don't regret doing that, but with that said there are plenty of opportunities out there (especially in this job market) if you just network with fellow pilots and dig a little--check out airlinepilotcentral.net Good luck to you.