Long Night

[USMCmech]

ADS 2000 - GGG 2052
GGG 2126 - DAL 2213
DAL 2235 - DFW 2300
DFW 0242 - TUL 0410
TUL 0443 - ADS 0607
ADS 0640 - DFW 0705
DFW 0725 - TYR 0822
TYR 0839 - PSN 0903
PSN 0925 - ADS 1010

14.2 duty time
7.8 flight time
9 stops


I'm going to bed now.

[Flysher]

Fun isn't it?

Make sure ya start 12 minutes late tonite

[ctab5060X]

Actually, if memory serves, Martinaire has 15 hour duty days...

[murphfly]

How??

[ctab5060X]

Originally Posted by murphfly

How??

As per 135.265(a), Martinaire (or any other single pilot operation for a 135 carrier for that matter) cannot schedule a pilot for more than 8 hours of commercial flying...

(a) No certificate holder may schedule any flight crewmember, and no flight crewmember may accept an assignment, for flight time in scheduled operations or in other commercial flying if that crewmember's total flight time in all commercial flying will exceed--
(1) 1,200 hours in any calendar year.
(2) 120 hours in any calendar month.
(3) 34 hours in any 7 consecutive days.
(4) 8 hours during any 24 consecutive hours for a flight crew consisting of one pilot.
(5) 8 hours between required rest periods for a flight crew consisting of two pilots qualified under this part for the operation being conducted.

Taking 135.265(a) into consideration, we then look at 136.265(b)...

135.265(b) Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, no certificate holder may schedule a flight crewmember, and no flight crewmember may accept an assignment, for flight time during the 24 consecutive hours preceding the scheduled completion of any flight segment without a scheduled rest period during that 24 hours of at least the following:
(1) 9 consecutive hours of rest for less than 8 hours of scheduled flight time.
(2) 10 consecutive hours of rest for 8 or more but less than 9 hours of scheduled flight time.
(3) 11 consecutive hours of rest for 9 or more hours of scheduled flight time.

From there it becomes simple math 24 - 15 = 9

Clear as mud?

[MSUDAWG]

Originally Posted by USMCmech

ADS 2000 - GGG 2052
GGG 2126 - DAL 2213
DAL 2235 - DFW 2300
DFW 0242 - TUL 0410
TUL 0443 - ADS 0607
ADS 0640 - DFW 0705
DFW 0725 - TYR 0822
TYR 0839 - PSN 0903
PSN 0925 - ADS 1010

14.2 duty time
7.8 flight time
9 stops


I'm going to bed now.

WOW, sounds like a close to normal day for me....3 Legs, 6-6.5 flying, and 13hr duty...YAY Go to sleep for 10 hours then start over and do it again.....YAY

[USMCmech]

I've done longer days instructing, and this is much easier. I actually feel like I got some work done, rather than the groundhog day routine with students. The 2 hour nap in the seat of the van helped a lot. A few hours of sleep, and I'm ready to go again.

My personal record is 9.3 hours flying skydivers, and I about had to be carried from the airplane.

Also, with the extra legs, I made more money in one night than I would in a week as a CFI.


MSU, do you fly for Twister?

[ackeight]

Originally Posted by USMCmech

My personal record is 9.3 hours flying skydivers, and I about had to be carried from the airplane.

Combine that with the 115 degree heat of Texas and climbing out really slow. I remember when I did that and about the only relief you get is when they open the door at 11K and you feel the cool rush of air.I would take a bottle of water up with me almost every drop and come back with it empty. The things we do to get where we want to go. sheesh.

[ctab5060X]

Originally Posted by USMCmech

I've done longer days instructing, and this is much easier. I actually feel like I got some work done, rather than the groundhog day routine with students. The 2 hour nap in the seat of the van helped a lot. A few hours of sleep, and I'm ready to go again.

Ahhh, I remember those naps... good times...

[mnixon]

Originally Posted by Flysher

Fun isn't it?

Make sure ya start 12 minutes late tonite

Originally Posted by ctab5060X

Actually, if memory serves, Martinaire has 15 hour duty days...

That's for Scheduled ops, I didn't know Martinaire was scheduled. From the website

Founded in 1978, Martinaire is a Dallas, Texas based FAR Part 135 air cargo carrier. Martinaire offers scheduled and on-demand express air freight transportation service utilizing a fleet of 41 Cessna 208B (Caravan) aircraft and 4 Metro III aircraft.

Let's hope you only get 9 hrs rest when your running scheduled.


This is what Flysher was referring to,

§ 135.267 Flight time limitations and rest requirements: Unscheduled one- and two-pilot crews.

(d) Each assignment under paragraph (b) of this section must provide for at least 10 consecutive hours of rest during the 24-hour period that precedes the planned completion time of the assignment.

[ctab5060X]

Yeah, that is for scheduled ops...oops

MRA is not scheduled and where I am at CASW, I am not considered scheduled either...

That being said, I have had 15 hour duty days at both companies. Not sure if it has something to do with the age of the companies (MRA 1978, CASW 1974) and the regs at the time, or if they have something from the FAA allowing extended duty time to 15 hours.

[mnixon]

Technically you can have a 30 hr duty day, just as long as you have 10 hrs of rest before your next assignment, hence Flysher saying, start your day 14 minutes late. Unless you have it in your ops specs, your working off of 2008 regs.

[ctab5060X]

Originally Posted by mnixon

Unless you have it in your ops specs, your working off of 2008 regs.

Dug through my ops specs last night and found what I was looking for.

Title 14 CFR Section 135.265 Flight and Rest Requirements for Certain Part 135 Operations

The certificate holder is authorized to conduct certain title 14 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Part 135 operations using flight and rest time limitations under 14 CFR 135.265, in lieu of any other sections of 125.261 through 135.273 as described below:

The operator will utilize the flight and rest limitations of 14 CFR 135.265 for all operations conducted under part 135.

If I remember correctly, Martinaire has something similar in their ops specs.


As far as the age of the company is concerned...

I know that most of the rest and duty requirement portions of part 135 have an effective date of 12/01/1978, with the notable exception of 135.267 and 135.273 that were amended through 135-60 effective 1/26/1996. Not exactly sure without looking at the published regulations from prior to 1996, but something could have changed with the unscheduled ops rest requirements. Due to the fact that these companies were operating prior to the change, and prior to the oldest effective date listed for part 135, they could be "grandfathered" in on rest and duty requirements buy way of the "in lieu of" clause in the ops specs.

Then again, without looking at the published regs of the time, I can't say for certain... but considering the FAA has grandfathered pilots in regards to endorsements, it makes a plausible theory.