FAA and TSA in 4 hours

JayAre · December 19th, 2007, 20:01

Yeah they both came in 4 hours today glad I missed the FAA but got checked by the TSA, what a long day. Route changed at last minute than divert, sit and wait on UPS get up fly and more sit and wait than repo.....

I am Santa.... this week

KLB · December 19th, 2007, 20:37

Just about everyone in OAK got ramped by the FAA last week. I've never been checked on by TSA before. What did they do and ask about?

JayAre · December 19th, 2007, 21:56

Out of know where like black helo's apprearing TSA agents arrive on the ramp. It was an ID check on everyone. The entire UPS ramp came to a halt and everyone was just standing. Not bad at all but you never know with these guys..

Screaming_Emu · December 19th, 2007, 22:00

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Originally Posted by JayAre

Out of know where like black helo's apprearing TSA agents arrive on the ramp. It was an ID check on everyone. The entire UPS ramp came to a halt and everyone was just standing. Not bad at all but you never know with these guys..

Really, couldn't they have arrived in a van? Probably would have saved some money.

ackeight · December 20th, 2007, 11:15

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Originally Posted by Screaming_Emu

Really, couldn't they have arrived in a van? Probably would have saved some money.

HAH. We are talking about the TSA and their infinate efficiency here.

Screaming_Emu · December 20th, 2007, 19:59

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Originally Posted by ackeight

HAH. We are talking about the TSA and their infinate efficiency here.

Speaking of, I just read in this article that your average TSA screener makes about 7k more per year than I do. If only I could half ass it as much as some of them do!

BajtheJino · December 20th, 2007, 20:57

We got ramped by the TSA the other day. Dude asked me for my badge, I asked for his-he fumbled around and got it out, I wrote down the info, said thanks and we started talking and then he just went away....

Not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

ackeight · December 21st, 2007, 10:53

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Originally Posted by Screaming_Emu

Speaking of, I just read in this article that your average TSA screener makes about 7k more per year than I do. If only I could half ass it as much as some of them do!

Of course they do, they have a $5.1 BILLION dollar budget. What airline has that?????

Ian J · December 21st, 2007, 11:03

I got ramped the other day by the FAA- it was pretty painless.

Funny thing was though, he looked at my medical and asked how long it was good for. I asked "is this a quiz?" He said no - he didn't remember - 6 months, right? I told him he was right. Then he said, wait, this is expired then! So I explained that that I was utilizing the class 2 privileges on it. He looked confused, and just handed it back.

KLB · December 21st, 2007, 11:28

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Originally Posted by Ian J

I got ramped the other day by the FAA- it was pretty painless.

Funny thing was though, he looked at my medical and asked how long it was good for. I asked "is this a quiz?" He said no - he didn't remember - 6 months, right? I told him he was right. Then he said, wait, this is expired then! So I explained that that I was utilizing the class 2 privileges on it. He looked confused, and just handed it back.

I really think that some of those guys have no freakin clue. The other day one asked to see my Hazmat material. I showed him the company pilot notification form booklet and the emergency response booklet. I don't know if he really knew what he was looking at though.

greaper007 · December 21st, 2007, 12:13

We had an inspector ride up front with us a few months ago. It was pretty painless except when my coffee spilled on her feet....

Gryphon · December 21st, 2007, 13:44

Funny, i was out on the ramp working yesterday, and a TSA guy comes up and asks to see my ID.. I saw them all over LAS that day, checking everyone. Wonder what that was about ? Bored?

surreal1221 · December 21st, 2007, 13:58

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Originally Posted by JayAre

Out of know where like black helo's apprearing TSA agents arrive on the ramp. It was an ID check on everyone. The entire UPS ramp came to a halt and everyone was just standing. Not bad at all but you never know with these guys..

Gotta love how the government can just show up and end an operation.

What a joke.

Ian J · December 21st, 2007, 17:38

The inspector who ramped me was super nice, though. He showed up when I landed for the day, and he patiently waited until I unloaded all my work, did the paperwork, and buttoned up the plane.

mikecweb · December 22nd, 2007, 00:21

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Originally Posted by surreal1221

Gotta love how the government can just show up and end an operation.

What a joke.

By rule a ramp check can not affect a deadline.

jtrain609 · December 22nd, 2007, 00:43

And you can't bump cargo or people to get an inspector on board. And if you don't have enough O2? Too bad, fed ain't coming with you.

surreal1221 · December 22nd, 2007, 01:03

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Originally Posted by mikecweb

By rule a ramp check can not affect a deadline.

I take it this is something that the company who actually holds the deadline would have to enforce?

I know you 135 guys have balls, tough as steel, but what about your middle level managers that babysit the loaders, etc? Do they stand up to the authorities when a deadline is close? Or are they just push overs?

KLB · December 22nd, 2007, 01:16

Oh heck yeah. Time is money and that includes holding a flight for a ramp check. Usually the first question that comes out of the inspectors' mouths is "We're not holding you up are we?"

The answer to that question is "Yes I'm 10 minutes late."

surreal1221 · December 22nd, 2007, 01:32

I could understand that attitude and answer at an out station, but for example. . .

Out of Columbus during a heavy Airnet push?

Maybe I don't give these guys much credit, but I just don't trust any of them one inch. Give them an inch, they'll take a foot.

mikecweb · December 22nd, 2007, 04:18

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Originally Posted by surreal1221

I could understand that attitude and answer at an out station, but for example. . .

Out of Columbus during a heavy Airnet push?

Maybe I don't give these guys much credit, but I just don't trust any of them one inch. Give them an inch, they'll take a foot.

They come around Columbus during our meet. They will usually ask if we are on a tight deadline. Columbus provides for a little more time actually. Most planes are there for around 30 mins. We however are 3rd from last plane in and second plane out, so if things are going smooth we are in Columbus in the neighborhood of 12-15 minutes. Still enough time to check our certificates but they ain't gonna even try to open the aircraft log.
I once was going to get ramped in Peoria, IL. I'm usually there for 5mins max. This day strong winds and a hail storm made me late. So the guy meets me as I'm getting out of the Baron, and says he's from the FAA. I said hi I'm from Boca Raton, FL and if he'd like to talk he could run next to me as I go grab the work. He decided it'd be best he just watch.

mikecweb · December 22nd, 2007, 04:21

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Originally Posted by surreal1221

I take it this is something that the company who actually holds the deadline would have to enforce?

I know you 135 guys have balls, tough as steel, but what about your middle level managers that babysit the loaders, etc? Do they stand up to the authorities when a deadline is close? Or are they just push overs?

Also there is very little babysitting in Columbus. It's actually a pretty impressive meet. If a ramper isn't running it's because their cart is filled with over 700lbs of work and they can't physically do it.

Ian J · December 22nd, 2007, 08:33

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Originally Posted by mikecweb

Also there is very little babysitting in Columbus. It's actually a pretty impressive meet. If a ramper isn't running it's because their cart is filled with over 700lbs of work and they can't physically do it.

The rampers at TEB could take a lesson...

ljg · December 22nd, 2007, 15:57

I have dealt with FAA investigators on the line. Without exception they've been professional, easy-going and simple to work with. Really normal guys just trying to do their jobs and not trying to bust your balls.

Never met the TSA on the ramp, but I go to BWI now and I hear they lerk around there a bit.

surreal1221 · December 22nd, 2007, 16:36

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Originally Posted by mikecweb

Also there is very little babysitting in Columbus. It's actually a pretty impressive meet. If a ramper isn't running it's because their cart is filled with over 700lbs of work and they can't physically do it.

Yeah, I recall seeing a video of your rampers running with the bins.

No delay indeed.

minitour · December 22nd, 2007, 16:59

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Originally Posted by mikecweb

Also there is very little babysitting in Columbus. It's actually a pretty impressive meet. If a ramper isn't running it's because their cart is filled with over 700lbs of work and they can't physically do it.

I was absolutely impressed. I was late because of a late courier going in to LCK the other night. On the way in I had to plan for max load (900lbs). They had me completely fueled, unloaded and loaded with a weight slip in hand as I was coming back outside from the hazmat table. I was on the ramp maybe 3 minutes. Very impressive.

At the meet later I was there maybe 35 minutes...

-mini

December 19th, 2007, 20:01	#1
JayAre Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Multiple Posts: 1,042	FAA and TSA in 4 hours Yeah they both came in 4 hours today glad I missed the FAA but got checked by the TSA, what a long day. Route changed at last minute than divert, sit and wait on UPS get up fly and more sit and wait than repo..... I am Santa.... this week

December 19th, 2007, 20:37	#2
KLB Old Skool Join Date: May 2005 Location: DFW Posts: 3,000	Re: FAA and TSA in 4 hours Just about everyone in OAK got ramped by the FAA last week. I've never been checked on by TSA before. What did they do and ask about?

December 19th, 2007, 21:56	#3
JayAre Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Multiple Posts: 1,042	Re: FAA and TSA in 4 hours Out of know where like black helo's apprearing TSA agents arrive on the ramp. It was an ID check on everyone. The entire UPS ramp came to a halt and everyone was just standing. Not bad at all but you never know with these guys..

December 20th, 2007, 20:57	#7
BajtheJino Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: KCHA Posts: 1,255	Re: FAA and TSA in 4 hours We got ramped by the TSA the other day. Dude asked me for my badge, I asked for his-he fumbled around and got it out, I wrote down the info, said thanks and we started talking and then he just went away.... Not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

December 21st, 2007, 11:03	#9
Ian J Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nashville Posts: 6,085 Blog Entries: 7	Re: FAA and TSA in 4 hours I got ramped the other day by the FAA- it was pretty painless. Funny thing was though, he looked at my medical and asked how long it was good for. I asked "is this a quiz?" He said no - he didn't remember - 6 months, right? I told him he was right. Then he said, wait, this is expired then! So I explained that that I was utilizing the class 2 privileges on it. He looked confused, and just handed it back. __________________

December 21st, 2007, 12:13	#11
greaper007 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Hartford, Ct Posts: 1,128	Re: FAA and TSA in 4 hours We had an inspector ride up front with us a few months ago. It was pretty painless except when my coffee spilled on her feet.... __________________ <<<<<Hunter S. Thompson extends the Gonzo concept to flying.

December 21st, 2007, 13:44	#12
Gryphon Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Las vegas, Nevada Posts: 106	Re: FAA and TSA in 4 hours Funny, i was out on the ramp working yesterday, and a TSA guy comes up and asks to see my ID.. I saw them all over LAS that day, checking everyone. Wonder what that was about ? Bored? __________________ "If i throw a stick, will you leave? " Ah.. i see the screw-up fairy has visited us again...

December 21st, 2007, 17:38	#14
Ian J Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nashville Posts: 6,085 Blog Entries: 7	Re: FAA and TSA in 4 hours The inspector who ramped me was super nice, though. He showed up when I landed for the day, and he patiently waited until I unloaded all my work, did the paperwork, and buttoned up the plane. __________________

December 22nd, 2007, 00:43	#16
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,869	Re: FAA and TSA in 4 hours And you can't bump cargo or people to get an inspector on board. And if you don't have enough O2? Too bad, fed ain't coming with you. __________________ "Jetlink 2940, on another radio, contact clearance for new airways..."

December 22nd, 2007, 01:16	#18
KLB Old Skool Join Date: May 2005 Location: DFW Posts: 3,000	Re: FAA and TSA in 4 hours Oh heck yeah. Time is money and that includes holding a flight for a ramp check. Usually the first question that comes out of the inspectors' mouths is "We're not holding you up are we?" The answer to that question is "Yes I'm 10 minutes late."

December 22nd, 2007, 01:32	#19
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 10,345	Re: FAA and TSA in 4 hours I could understand that attitude and answer at an out station, but for example. . . Out of Columbus during a heavy Airnet push? Maybe I don't give these guys much credit, but I just don't trust any of them one inch. Give them an inch, they'll take a foot. __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \| The TRoP \| Rmble On \| ALPA \| IVAW \| ACLU \|

December 22nd, 2007, 15:57	#23
ljg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 561	Re: FAA and TSA in 4 hours I have dealt with FAA investigators on the line. Without exception they've been professional, easy-going and simple to work with. Really normal guys just trying to do their jobs and not trying to bust your balls. Never met the TSA on the ramp, but I go to BWI now and I hear they lerk around there a bit.

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