Airnet SICs

[OldTownPilot]

Originally Posted by mikecweb

If money is no factor, both pay the same, and you really don't care what lear base you goto. Stay a CFI.
If you are waiting for a specific lear base you may wanna get that senority so that you can be ready to hold that base the second you get 2,000tt. But be aware there are some bases that have been locked up for years.
I'm pretty sure that didn't answer your question.

Every bit helps, I'm a ways off from making a "big move", but have liked the idea of flying in BHB for a while, getting a good freight gig, with the opportunity for turbine time, and staying there until I made a move to a "career job".

Thanks Mike.

[minitour]

Originally Posted by crosby87

I love how everything is taken out of context on message boards. This is why I never partake in discussions.

I didn't think I would be a worthless crewmember until I read this thread. That is not something I want to be, I would much rather be in a position where I was actually needed.

Can you show me where I took you out of context? If, after reading this thread, you think you'd be a "worthless crewmember" (your words), then you probably will be.

If, on the other hand, you think you can be there to learn, gain some real world experience navigating around thunderstorms (not through...around ), in icing conditions, dealing with ATC, learning to make the "tough" decisions, then you will do just that.

Just because the regulations don't require you to be there doesn't mean you're "worthless". It's all about perception.

-mini

[RPJ]

Stupid question- Barons at Airnet have wx radar?

[mikecweb]

Originally Posted by RPJ

Stupid question- Barons at Airnet have wx radar?

Most do.

[azpilot84]

What's average pay as first year SIC at Airnet (after per diem and taxes are factored in)?

[Ian J]

Originally Posted by azpilot84

What's average pay as first year SIC at Airnet (after per diem and taxes are factored in)?

Something like $7.49/ hour. You'd get paid more as a CFI.

[athomeinthesky]

What do you think will be the future of Airnet in the next 2-4 years?

With the amount of checks declining do you think they will find packages/etc. to replace them?

If they were to downsize would more jets or props go? and what areas would be worth pulling out of?

[flyguydaniel]

azpilot84 Re: Airnet SICs
What's average pay as first year SIC at Airnet (after per diem and taxes are factored in)?

I guess I should chime in here since I'm currently SICing with AirNet. Pay depends on how much your run flies. I think you are guaranteed at least 1300 a month before taxes. However, you will most likely make more than that since you will be put on a higher time run. I believe I made about 1600 my first month before taxes from 120 hours of flying.

I came out of training the beginning of October with 800 hours total. I'm currently at 1000 hours or so. I plan to be done SICing around the beginning of February. I've enjoyed my experience so far, and to me being an SIC for 400 hours of flying isn't bad, but I'm kind of a special case. I agree with the other AirNet guys who have posted here. It only takes a week of flying until you are familiar with how everything works. However, there is bright side of my SICing for more than a few weeks. I've gotten to experience thunderstorms, severe turbulence, icing, low approaches and flying in terminal areas with nothing but heavy jets with someone much more experienced than me. All of that experience took more than 50 hours of flying to accumulate. Also, due to being short of pilots, and not having an assigned PIC to my run anymore, the company had to charter out my run to another company to fly. As a result, they send me to another run in another city for the week to build time. I've been able to fly with a number of different people and in different parts of the country. All of which has proved invaluable since everyone has their own methods and insights into flying. Overall, everyone I've flown with so far has been really cool. If you are going to SIC for a while, come here knowing what you are getting yourself into and with a good attitude and you will be fine.

[FlySmiley]

Originally Posted by athomeinthesky

What do you think will be the future of Airnet in the next 2-4 years?

With the amount of checks declining do you think they will find packages/etc. to replace them?

If they were to downsize would more jets or props go? and what areas would be worth pulling out of?

The future depends on what the new CEO does. He hasn't been quite as 'doom and gloom' as the old one, but still seems to suggest that the company might need to down size and consolidate before expanding. They are trying to fill the check void with their express work (time critical packages). The check business has been in steady decline for YEARS now, this is nothing new and has not been some big secret that the banks have kept from freight companies. The success of the company will hinge on their ability to keep and attract more business than they lose.

Where they pull airplanes out of is anyones guess and is left up to "airline engineering". A good indication of an airplane or a run going away is steadily decreasing bank work with no noticeable increase in express work. The airplanes do not go unused though, they are relocated rather than parked.

I think they have a lot of potential, but due to an apparent lack of communication between internal departments, a lot of system capacity gets overlooked and underutilized. That'll happen with any company though.

[azpilot84]

Is Airnet currently placing SIC's in PHX?

[OldTownPilot]

The SICs are only in the Barron, And I believe all the west-coast props are Caravans, so that would be a no.

[fly02]

Originally Posted by FlySmiley

The airplanes do not go unused though, they are relocated rather than parked.

In fact, they have bought a couple of Caravans in the last 3 months.

[mikecweb]

Airnet's biggest problem is the lack of qualified prop PICs.

[scflyin]

mikecweb, by lack of qualified prop pic's do you mean people that don't meet the 135 minimums or people that go to training and don't meet the standards?

[Ian J]

He means the physical number of people who work here who can fly a prop by themselves. (i.e., applied, got hired, passed training, have 135 mins, and are flying the line).

We don't have enough of them.

[minitour]

Originally Posted by Ian J

He means the physical number of people who work here who can fly a prop by themselves. (i.e., applied, got hired, passed training, have 135 mins, and are flying the line).

We don't have enough of them.

Hopefully I can help out in about 3 weeks.

Class of 8 starting tomorrow? ...or is that just a rumor?

-mini

[FlySmiley]

It's a rumor all the way until 8 people show up.

[ackeight]

Originally Posted by flyguydaniel

I've gotten to experience thunderstorms, severe turbulence, icing, low approaches and flying in terminal areas with nothing but heavy jets with someone much more experienced than me.

Isn't that a bit of an understatement? So I've been told.

[minitour]

Originally Posted by FlySmiley

It's a rumor all the way until 8 people show up.

*rimshot*

He'll be here all week....tip your waitress.

-mini

[n57flyguy]

Originally Posted by minitour

Hopefully I can help out in about 3 weeks.

Class of 8 starting tomorrow? ...or is that just a rumor?

-mini

Good luck to you!

[minitour]

Originally Posted by n57flyguy

Good luck to you!

Thanks.

The sim is kinda kicking my @$$ right now. It's fine until I have to look for something on an approach chart...then I look back up and I'm in a graveyard spiral out of 2000'.

Having never used NACO charts before, I think I just need to get used to 'em. I keep looking to the briefing strip for my information and all I get is "Rickenbacker Tower".

FWIW, If anyone is considering going to Airnet as an SIC or as a PIC, I'd recommend it. So far I really like it. It's definitely a different way of flying but the atmosphere around LCK seems to be a good one. Sure, you've got people that bitch but you'd have that anywhere. Good place to be and good time to be getting in as far as I can tell.

-mini

[mikecweb]

Originally Posted by minitour

Thanks.

The sim is kinda kicking my @$$ right now. It's fine until I have to look for something on an approach chart...then I look back up and I'm in a graveyard spiral out of 2000'.

Having never used NACO charts before, I think I just need to get used to 'em. I keep looking to the briefing strip for my information and all I get is "Rickenbacker Tower".

FWIW, If anyone is considering going to Airnet as an SIC or as a PIC, I'd recommend it. So far I really like it. It's definitely a different way of flying but the atmosphere around LCK seems to be a good one. Sure, you've got people that bitch but you'd have that anywhere. Good place to be and good time to be getting in as far as I can tell.

-mini

You one of the guys in the kitchen every night?

If so I'll be the pissed off looking guy with the red sox hat.
I should be there on Tuesday for the meet.

[minitour]

Originally Posted by mikecweb

You one of the guys in the kitchen every night?

If so I'll be the pissed off looking guy with the red sox hat.
I should be there on Tuesday for the meet.

I will be this week (in the kitchen). I'm supposed to be in the sim at 2am, but we've got one less now so I'll be doing 2 sessions every other night. Don't know what's going on.

What are you pissed about? Last time I checked the BoSox came back from dead against my Tribe and then beat the Rocks...you should be on cloud 9! You a pats fan too?

-mini

[mikecweb]

Originally Posted by minitour

I will be this week (in the kitchen). I'm supposed to be in the sim at 2am, but we've got one less now so I'll be doing 2 sessions every other night. Don't know what's going on.

What are you pissed about? Last time I checked the BoSox came back from dead against my Tribe and then beat the Rocks...you should be on cloud 9! You a pats fan too?

-mini

1st Definetly not a pats fan.
Not really pissed off about anything but people tell me that I always look pissed off. Except when MNixon is in the room. Then i really am pissed.
Besides all that, you'll discover the only crappy part of your night is when you have to pass through Rick.

[n57flyguy]

Pissed at RJs?