Freight Jobs

ppragman · October 18th, 2007, 20:54

So here's the scoop, I'd love to stay at my company, but if I do, I'll be an FO for 4 years, the time it would take to get my ATP. What I really want to do is (within a year or so) start building some multi turbine pic, and I love flying freight. Anybody got an ideas of some good freight companies to work for that have 1900s, king airs, or metros or something to get some multi turbine pic?

Also, they have to be willing to upgrade guys without an ATP

I know of

Airnet, Amflight, but that's about the limit.

n57flyguy · October 18th, 2007, 21:13

Freight Runners Express operates a diverse fleet that includes a 1900, BE-99s, a King Air 90 and 200, aswell as a couple Cessna 402s and 206s. I've heard they may hire at IFR mins, but their site says 2,000TT for BE-99 PIC. A member here just interviewed with them...

ppragman · October 18th, 2007, 21:24

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Originally Posted by n57flyguy

Freight Runners Express operates a diverse fleet that includes a 1900, BE-99s, a King Air 90 and 200, aswell as a couple Cessna 402s and 206s. I've heard they may hire at IFR mins, but their site says 2,000TT for BE-99 PIC. A member here just interviewed with them...

cool thnks!

APACHEpilot · October 18th, 2007, 21:59

Barry Aviation out of Texas they have there own web site and they fly metros.

FlyOrDie · October 18th, 2007, 22:07

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Originally Posted by ppragman

cool thnks!

Hey I've probably waved to you! You guys sure have a fancy 1900 now.

ppragman · October 18th, 2007, 22:43

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Originally Posted by FlyOrDie

Hey I've probably waved to you! You guys sure have a fancy 1900 now.

yeah, 5ax is an awesome bird!

prolly, I love little ace, but I gotta plan if they aren't going to type me there...

do you FE for airfuels? or just for everts

IdahoBoy · October 20th, 2007, 13:33

Here's my two cents-
Ameriflight operates 99's 1900's and Metros- single pilot.
Everyone I've met there gets upgraded rather quickly. If you have any multi at all I think they start you in a piston twin and then quickly put you in the 99.

Sounds like you have enough experience to go right into the 99 at least.

As far as I've seen what they publish for basic hiring mins is higher than what they bring you in at.

I guess it depends on where you want to live, right?

I will tell you from my personal experience. I worked for a smaller freight company flying Cessna 402s. The Ameriflight guys and gals I knew always had it better than I in terms of schedule, pay, maintenance and quality of equipment. Unfortunately, Ameriflight didn't have a route where I wanted to live.

Good luck.

mtsu_av8er · October 21st, 2007, 06:26

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Originally Posted by APACHEpilot

Barry Aviation out of Texas they have there own web site and they fly metros.

Berry Aviation does have their own website . . . lol.

Personally, I don't know that much about them. I've heard some horror stories, though . . .

Queboat · October 21st, 2007, 12:30

just curious what's with wanting to upgrade without an atp? i am assuming you aren't 23 yet. one issue you will have is all eligable ondmand 135 ops require an atp for the PIC.

mnixon · October 21st, 2007, 15:58

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Originally Posted by Queboat

just curious what's with wanting to upgrade without an atp? i am assuming you aren't 23 yet. one issue you will have is all eligable ondmand 135 ops require an atp for the PIC.

Not for the props I was flying.

MSUDAWG · October 21st, 2007, 17:17

We need captains on the shorts, BAD.....IFR 135 mins and you might just be a candidate...And with a flow through to UPS in our new contract with them, it might not be a bad call....PM me for details

Queboat · October 21st, 2007, 18:28

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Originally Posted by mnixon

Not for the props I was flying.

you are correct sir, if its single pilot you dont need the atp to fly as captain under "eligable on-demand" part 135.4.

MSUDAWG · October 21st, 2007, 19:33

some of the captains at my company dont have an ATP and its part 135...

texas_pilot · October 21st, 2007, 20:03

Business is booming and there are tons of 135 ops out there. Types of equipment flown, safety record, route location, pay, QOL, management, company stabilty & duty hours make a huge difference on who to be calling.
Last week I researched a Falcon 20 job when they called about the resume I faxed them. Scared the pants when I read of all the planes they've lost.
They set a FAA record it seems with 2 seperate crashes on the same day!
Good luck

Queboat · October 21st, 2007, 21:40

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Originally Posted by MSUDAWG

some of the captains at my company dont have an ATP and its part 135...

your company might not be an eligable on-demand. the major key is with "eligable" status, you can depart for an airport that doesnt report weather using the area forcast.

MSUDAWG · October 21st, 2007, 22:59

im almost positive we are

Berkut · October 21st, 2007, 23:02

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Originally Posted by MSUDAWG

We need captains on the shorts, BAD.....

How is ACC doing for FO's? They hiring many low-time guys?

Queboat · October 22nd, 2007, 01:58

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Originally Posted by MSUDAWG

im almost positive we are

just read 135.4 it says it clear as day the capt of a multi crew turbine powered airplane must have an atp.

MSUDAWG · October 22nd, 2007, 14:38

I dont know what loop hole we use or what the stipulation that keeps us from having to abide by that, but I know they wouldnt knowingly break an FAR..You have to have a type for CA but no ATP....We have 1 jumpseat available so that would be our only PAX...I think it has something to do with having less than 19 or so PAX which we dont carry more than 1....

mikecweb · October 22nd, 2007, 15:07

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Originally Posted by MSUDAWG

I dont know what loop hole we use or what the stipulation that keeps us from having to abide by that, but I know they wouldnt knowingly break an FAR..You have to have a type for CA but no ATP....We have 1 jumpseat available so that would be our only PAX...I think it has something to do with having less than 19 or so PAX which we dont carry more than 1....

You guys probably aren't "eligible" then on those flights.
Also check your Op Specs. A057 deals with Eligible On-Demand Operations.

ackeight · October 22nd, 2007, 17:01

You're sooooo smart Mike. Maybe a little too smart. You think I'm going to get wet tonight?

ackeight · October 22nd, 2007, 17:03

You're sooooo smart Mike. Maybe a little too smart

. You think I'm going to get wet tonight?
Oh and I think this smiley fits this thread

WalterSobchak · October 22nd, 2007, 18:39

§ 135.4 Applicability of rules for eligible on-demand operations.

(a) An “eligible on-demand operation” is an on-demand operation conducted under this part that meets the following requirements:

(1) Two-pilot crew. The flightcrew must consist of at least two qualified pilots employed or contracted by the certificate holder.

(2) Flight crew experience. The crewmembers must have met the applicable requirements of part 61 of this chapter and have the following experience and ratings:

(i) Total flight time for all pilots:
(A) Pilot in command—A minimum of 1,500 hours.
(B) Second in command—A minimum of 500 hours.

(ii) For multi-engine turbine-powered fixed-wing and powered-lift aircraft, the following FAA certification and ratings requirements:
(A) Pilot in command—Airline transport pilot and applicable type ratings.
(B) Second in command—Commercial pilot and instrument ratings.

When I flew freight we shared our POI(Karen) with Air Cargo Carriers and yes you need to be an ATP to be a PIC of a part 135 flight there.

ppragman · October 22nd, 2007, 18:46

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Originally Posted by WalterSobchak

§ 135.4 Applicability of rules for eligible on-demand operations.

(a) An “eligible on-demand operation” is an on-demand operation conducted under this part that meets the following requirements:

(1) Two-pilot crew. The flightcrew must consist of at least two qualified pilots employed or contracted by the certificate holder.

(2) Flight crew experience. The crewmembers must have met the applicable requirements of part 61 of this chapter and have the following experience and ratings:

(i) Total flight time for all pilots:
(A) Pilot in command—A minimum of 1,500 hours.
(B) Second in command—A minimum of 500 hours.

(ii) For multi-engine turbine-powered fixed-wing and powered-lift aircraft, the following FAA certification and ratings requirements:
(A) Pilot in command—Airline transport pilot and applicable type ratings.
(B) Second in command—Commercial pilot and instrument ratings.

When I flew freight we shared our POI(Karen) with Air Cargo Carriers and yes you need to be an ATP to be a PIC of a part 135 flight there.

so, if it is single pilot, then you do not need an atp...that's odd

ackeight · October 22nd, 2007, 19:34

I think how that reads is that if you do not have a two pilot crew it is not an eligible on-demand operation.

October 18th, 2007, 20:54	#1
ppragman Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Somewhere between Beluga and Tyonek Posts: 1,074	Freight Jobs So here's the scoop, I'd love to stay at my company, but if I do, I'll be an FO for 4 years, the time it would take to get my ATP. What I really want to do is (within a year or so) start building some multi turbine pic, and I love flying freight. Anybody got an ideas of some good freight companies to work for that have 1900s, king airs, or metros or something to get some multi turbine pic? Also, they have to be willing to upgrade guys without an ATP I know of Airnet, Amflight, but that's about the limit.

October 18th, 2007, 21:13	#2
n57flyguy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,803	Re: Freight Jobs Freight Runners Express operates a diverse fleet that includes a 1900, BE-99s, a King Air 90 and 200, aswell as a couple Cessna 402s and 206s. I've heard they may hire at IFR mins, but their site says 2,000TT for BE-99 PIC. A member here just interviewed with them... __________________ Proud member of the JetCareers Really, Really Mini-Libertarian Movement *I'll keep my freedom, my guns, and my money... you can keep "THE CHANGE"*

October 18th, 2007, 21:59	#4
APACHEpilot Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Russellville, KY Posts: 34	Re: Freight Jobs Barry Aviation out of Texas they have there own web site and they fly metros. __________________ Apache 84p turn right to heading 270 intercept the localizer cleared ILS runway 24 at 4M7 ! GUMP !!!! Almost home

October 20th, 2007, 13:33	#7
IdahoBoy Newbie Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Boise,ID Posts: 12	Re: Freight Jobs Here's my two cents- Ameriflight operates 99's 1900's and Metros- single pilot. Everyone I've met there gets upgraded rather quickly. If you have any multi at all I think they start you in a piston twin and then quickly put you in the 99. Sounds like you have enough experience to go right into the 99 at least. As far as I've seen what they publish for basic hiring mins is higher than what they bring you in at. I guess it depends on where you want to live, right? I will tell you from my personal experience. I worked for a smaller freight company flying Cessna 402s. The Ameriflight guys and gals I knew always had it better than I in terms of schedule, pay, maintenance and quality of equipment. Unfortunately, Ameriflight didn't have a route where I wanted to live. Good luck.

October 21st, 2007, 12:30	#9
Queboat Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: planet earth Posts: 181	Re: Freight Jobs just curious what's with wanting to upgrade without an atp? i am assuming you aren't 23 yet. one issue you will have is all eligable ondmand 135 ops require an atp for the PIC. __________________ FATE IS THE HUNTER, TP & DH. AJI 878 01/09/2007 MMGL N444TW.

October 21st, 2007, 17:17	#11
MSUDAWG Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Memphis Posts: 590	Re: Freight Jobs We need captains on the shorts, BAD.....IFR 135 mins and you might just be a candidate...And with a flow through to UPS in our new contract with them, it might not be a bad call....PM me for details __________________ OOTSK

October 21st, 2007, 19:33	#13
MSUDAWG Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Memphis Posts: 590	Re: Freight Jobs some of the captains at my company dont have an ATP and its part 135... __________________ OOTSK

October 21st, 2007, 20:03	#14
texas_pilot Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Tx Posts: 48	Re: Freight Jobs Business is booming and there are tons of 135 ops out there. Types of equipment flown, safety record, route location, pay, QOL, management, company stabilty & duty hours make a huge difference on who to be calling. Last week I researched a Falcon 20 job when they called about the resume I faxed them. Scared the pants when I read of all the planes they've lost. They set a FAA record it seems with 2 seperate crashes on the same day! Good luck

October 21st, 2007, 22:59	#16
MSUDAWG Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Memphis Posts: 590	Re: Freight Jobs im almost positive we are __________________ OOTSK

October 22nd, 2007, 14:38	#19
MSUDAWG Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Memphis Posts: 590	Re: Freight Jobs I dont know what loop hole we use or what the stipulation that keeps us from having to abide by that, but I know they wouldnt knowingly break an FAR..You have to have a type for CA but no ATP....We have 1 jumpseat available so that would be our only PAX...I think it has something to do with having less than 19 or so PAX which we dont carry more than 1.... __________________ OOTSK

October 22nd, 2007, 17:01	#21
ackeight Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Dallas Posts: 360	Re: Freight Jobs You're sooooo smart Mike. Maybe a little too smart. You think I'm going to get wet tonight?

October 22nd, 2007, 17:03	#22
ackeight Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Dallas Posts: 360	Re: Freight Jobs You're sooooo smart Mike. Maybe a little too smart. You think I'm going to get wet tonight? Oh and I think this smiley fits this thread

October 22nd, 2007, 18:39	#23
WalterSobchak Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 612	Re: Freight Jobs § 135.4 Applicability of rules for eligible on-demand operations. (a) An “eligible on-demand operation” is an on-demand operation conducted under this part that meets the following requirements: (1) Two-pilot crew. The flightcrew must consist of at least two qualified pilots employed or contracted by the certificate holder. (2) Flight crew experience. The crewmembers must have met the applicable requirements of part 61 of this chapter and have the following experience and ratings: (i) Total flight time for all pilots: (A) Pilot in command—A minimum of 1,500 hours. (B) Second in command—A minimum of 500 hours. (ii) For multi-engine turbine-powered fixed-wing and powered-lift aircraft, the following FAA certification and ratings requirements: (A) Pilot in command—Airline transport pilot and applicable type ratings. (B) Second in command—Commercial pilot and instrument ratings. When I flew freight we shared our POI(Karen) with Air Cargo Carriers and yes you need to be an ATP to be a PIC of a part 135 flight there. __________________ 4 forces of flight: Stall, Spin, Crash, & Burn

October 22nd, 2007, 19:34	#25
ackeight Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Dallas Posts: 360	Re: Freight Jobs I think how that reads is that if you do not have a two pilot crew it is not an eligible on-demand operation.

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