Airnet guys, what do you think about the raise?

[jsb172]

I was just wondering what you guys thought about the raise? It really helps the new guys and totally screws the older guys. It works well for me but i can't help but feel bad for the senior guys. I'll be making the same hourly as someone in the same seat position who has been here for 4 years. there is something wrong with that. What are your thoughts?

[Stone Cold]

Originally Posted by jsb172

I was just wondering what you guys thought about the raise? It really helps the new guys and totally screws the older guys. It works well for me but i can't help but feel bad for the senior guys. I'll be making the same hourly as someone in the same seat position who has been here for 4 years. there is something wrong with that. What are your thoughts?

You pretty much summed it up. I'm not there any more, but from what I've read on 55, there aren't too may people happy with it. The only good thing is, at least they raised some pay!!

[butt]

Anyone have any info on this pay raise? Who gets it? How much of a raise?

[Berkut]

Some info here:
http://www.starcheck55.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1741

[mikecweb]

I think people need to realize the point of the raise. It's to keep the new guys there. They focused the raise on the group of pilots that bails. The purpose of the new pay scale wasn't to help the pilots out it was to improve pilot retention in the 2-5 year timeframe.

[wheelsup]

Originally Posted by Berkut

Some info here:
http://www.starcheck55.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1741

I think it's funny they directly compare Airnet's pay with "Brand X" Regional pay, which incidentally seems to be on the low side by about 30% (the right side chart, not the left side chart, which looks like it's min guarantee only). Airnet is a top tier 135 company, you'd think they'd compare it to a "top tier" regional like XJT, Horizon, AWAC, SkyWest, etc. but anyway.

The thing is, it seems the money is pretty close either way, so I would think in order to drum up their recruiting efforts they need to show how Airnet is different, and better, than working at a regional. Hiring into your choice of a base is huge benefit, for example. In part this is up to the company, if Airnet "takes off" with customers and can position itself as a leader in overnight delivery services, can buy some bigger planes, and have an outlook similar to DHL, the number of applicants will probably jump.

[Brand X]

Originally Posted by wheelsup

I think it's funny they directly compare Airnet's pay with "Brand X" Regional pay, which incidentally seems to be on the low side by about 30% (the right side chart, not the left side chart, which looks like it's min guarantee only). Airnet is a top tier 135 company, you'd think they'd compare it to a "top tier" regional like XJT, Horizon, AWAC, SkyWest, etc. but anyway.

The thing is, it seems the money is pretty close either way, so I would think in order to drum up their recruiting efforts they need to show how Airnet is different, and better, than working at a regional. Hiring into your choice of a base is huge benefit, for example. In part this is up to the company, if Airnet "takes off" with customers and can position itself as a leader in overnight delivery services, can buy some bigger planes, and have an outlook similar to DHL, the number of applicants will probably jump.

Jerry had an opportunity in the late 80s to fly the Fairchild Expediters that DHL Airways operated and wanted to outsource to a feeder airline. DHL Airways asked US Check to take over the flying of the Expediters but Jerry said no and DHL then signed a deal with Ameriflight to fly the planes for them.

US Check/Airnet tried to get into the overnight parcel sector years ago with "Time Express". It was a flop. Too bad it didn't take off, would have been cool to have our new radio call sign of "Timex".

[Ian J]

Originally Posted by wheelsup

so I would think in order to drum up their recruiting efforts they need to show how Airnet is different, and better, than working at a regional.

Oh, they do - trust me. I'm not a regional hater - I just felt airnet was a better fit for me. During the recruiting process they really, really emphasize how airnet is different/ better than going to the regionals. (Keep in mind, I'M not saying it's better - THEY are - and of course they are - it's their company). They emphasize it so much I really felt whenever they talked about it with me they were wasting time because duh- I already made my decision.

Also, their marketing/ advertising did focus on the difference from flying for regionals. Almost a little too much at times.

Now it looks like they're going towards higher pay and no mins as a strategy, which is fine, but those future starcheckers who are going to SIC for 800 hours ain't gonna see a lick of that higher pay for a while.

On a personal note about the pay - you really can't beat showing up for your first week of class and being told you're already getting a pay raise!

[Flysher]

Originally Posted by Brand X

Jerry had an opportunity in the late 80s to fly the Fairchild Expediters that DHL Airways operated and wanted to outsource to a feeder airline. DHL Airways asked US Check to take over the flying of the Expediters but Jerry said no and DHL then signed a deal with Ameriflight to fly the planes for them.

US Check/Airnet tried to get into the overnight parcel sector years ago with "Time Express". It was a flop. Too bad it didn't take off, would have been cool to have our new radio call sign of "Timex".

Heck yea! Anything is better than Starcheck, I personally don't like our callsign.

[mikecweb]

Originally Posted by Flysher

Heck yea! Anything is better than Starcheck, I personally don't like our callsign.

Would you rather have rough rider?

[Brand X]

Originally Posted by mikecweb

Would you rather have rough rider?

I thought that Timex would have been a great callsign. "We take a licking and keep on ticking!".

[ackeight]

Originally Posted by mikecweb

Would you rather have rough rider?

He's got a point...

[FlySmiley]

Originally Posted by mikecweb

I think people need to realize the point of the raise. It's to keep the new guys there. They focused the raise on the group of pilots that bails. The purpose of the new pay scale wasn't to help the pilots out it was to improve pilot retention in the 2-5 year timeframe.

Agreed. Another possibility/likelihood is keeping a union off property. Do something to keep the pilots happy enough not to need/suggest a union vote.

That being said, there are a lot of senior/semi-senior pilots that are not happy about the raise due to the seniority issues. Even some of the lower seniority guys are unhappy with the principle regardless of the fact that they are getting a decent raise themselves. It is just another management/labor dispute.

Edit: To answer the question, I am happy to get a raise (who wouldn't be happy to make more money?).

[ljg]

I'm happy too, now I can renew my Maxim subscription. The "U" word, that's going to be like a swear word about LCK this week.

[mnixon]

All I'm saying is, if it works out that a first year guy is making more than I am, or the same amount, I'll be expecting a cash donation every other Friday to even it out. I guess seniority just doesn't fit AirNet's lifestyle, at least this week.

[Brand X]

Originally Posted by ljg

I'm happy too, now I can renew my Maxim subscription. The "U" word, that's going to be like a swear word about LCK this week.

Fred (DAL lifer) tried to organize one in the early 90s to no avail. He's ex-PATCO.

[Queboat]

i think rough rider is a bada$$ call sign.