Airnet hiring into choice base..

[ljg]

[quote=butt;654478]Look at it from the TSA's point of view. Who do you think they would rather have in the cockpit? Someone who has at least 250 hours in some kind of plane, as well as a passed checkride by a DPE to commercial standards, or your aunt Sally? To you, aunt Sally is more trustworthy, but not to the TSA. They see aunt Sally as the one "off the street".

You might say "It's my cockpit, I don't care what the TSA thinks, it's all my decision". Sadly, 9/11 changed all that. Theres not much you can do about it. I guess you can stage protests against the TSA, but refusing observer rides is just screwing over your company.


Then what do you have against these types of flights?

OK great. You're refusing these flights because you don't fell it's right, not because of any safety concern. Right? Thats all right with me. You can refuse a passenger for any reason you like, thats all within the scope of PIC. Just don't make it into a safety issue. The person sitting in there riding along is not going to freak out and karate chop your face off. You know that. By claiming something like this is going to happen, you are abusing your power of PIC. You're playing the safety card because you know it will win, wheras playing the "I don't feel like it" card (which you admit is how you feel about this), you'll lose. This is dishonest and unethical.





I will go ahead and make it a safety issue. In the last two weeks, I have carried two interviewees on my route. Both had CFI backgrounds in the 500-750 hour range. Both received a preflight safety briefing that covered all of the things it is supposed to cover. The first guy seemed suprised when I declined his offer for him to assume pilot-not-flying duties on the trip (glad we worked that out on the ground). The second guy violated the sterile cockpit on two legs, one of the times to ask how much flight time I had on a mile and a half final.

Jumpseating (what you're really doing on an "observation flight") is purely a privilege, solely allowable at the discretion of the Captain. OAL Crewmembers have to be security screened through CASS, and ask permission to ride in order to jumpseat. They have to be employed by a participating 121 or 135 Carrier, period. If there is an open seat in back, a pilot will always ride in the cabin because having an additional person in the cockpit watching everything you do throws off the normal crew coorperation.

Airnet is an Air Carrier. This is not part 61 flying-things are different.

[Ian J]

Originally Posted by ljg

Airnet is an Air Carrier. This is not part 61 flying-things are different.

Ahem... 91.

[ljg]

DOH!

Well, I stand by everything else I say.

I'm really happy to take interviewees to LCK anytime. I want them to be excited about the company, allow them to get a first hand look at line flying, and I want to communicate how glad I am that I came here to fly. If somebody shows up for a ride to observe how a baron flies, (and they aren't Federales), they better have a big box along with them so they can ride in back.

[KLB]

Originally Posted by ljg

If somebody shows up for a ride to observe how a baron flies, (and they aren't Federales), they better have a big box along with them so they can ride in back.

Heck I'd even bump the feds if I think that it will be a weight a issue. I'm glad that AMF doesn't do the whole observation thing. I hope I'm not speaking too soon.

[Brand X]

Who do we call to sign up for a ride?

[Aviator_Bakeek]

I am looking at finishing my commercial with multi here in the next two months and should have between 250 and 300 hours. I checked out the website and am interested in right seating and checked out the hourless minimums. I have read previous posts about 1150tt and 500tt, but was curious to know if anyone had seen 250 hr pilots start as SIC's. I know Airnet is in need of pilots and a good company to start your career with. Is the pay also still $7/hr for SIC's?

[JEP]

Originally Posted by Aviator_Bakeek

I am looking at finishing my commercial with multi here in the next two months and should have between 250 and 300 hours. I checked out the website and am interested in right seating and checked out the hourless minimums. I have read previous posts about 1150tt and 500tt, but was curious to know if anyone had seen 250 hr pilots start as SIC's. I know Airnet is in need of pilots and a good company to start your career with. Is the pay also still $7/hr for SIC's?

Yep....

PILOT PAY

AirNet Systems, Inc. provides a unique pay system that allows all team members to share in the success of the organization. This philosophy serves to strengthen our team commitment and emphasizes serving our customers.

The Pilot Pay system utilizes a duty rig component as the base with which work is measured. Duty rig is accrued based on the flight hours and time spent on duty for each qualifying assignment. The duty rig accrues at accelerated rates for assignments worked in excess of the minimum guarantee of 10 accrued rig hours per duty assignment and for working more than 8 duty assignments in a two-week pay period. This approach assures that the more a pilot works, the more they are compensated! Each full-time pilot is also guaranteed a minimum 80 rig hours per two-week pay period. Pay is calculated by multiplying the accrued rig for each assignment by the assigned Duty Rig Rate.

There are three1 ranges for Duty Rig Rates based on a pilot’s Duty Position.

1 Prop SICs receive a Duty Rig Rate of $7.69 per hour with no guaranteed minimums.

[Aviator_Bakeek]

Well...heres a little of my story. I am working at Simuflite, and I see atleast 2 Airnet guys every week in either my initial or recurrent classes. I am not at Simuflite for a career, everyone there knows I will fly once I have my wings. I am atleast two months away from getting my instrument, multi-commercial and even though staying at Simuflite would be great, I know that some doors do open for me...such as with Airnet. I would like to get my type rating in the Lear 35 through Simuflite, if I chose to even right seat with Airnet so that hopefully I can go to the Lear with Airnet after I meet the 135 requirements. I am not looking for any special accomodations, I want to pay my dues like the other guy. But like the other guy, I just want to get into the jets where the time counts for something else bigger some day. So my big question is... at 250+tt with a AMEL is flying for Airnet out of Dallas as a SIC in the baron a reality or am I just hoping for the best between both worlds? If I right seat for Simuflite, I HAVE to commit for one year, so I want to make sure that I can fulfill both obligations. My schedule at Simuflite is mornings only, so that would leave the afternoons to sleep before my route with Airnet at nights.

Anyone have any good advice to share to help a youngin' make a good decision? I guess I really want to please everyone, but I dont think that is always possible in our industry.

[mikecweb]

Originally Posted by Aviator_Bakeek

Well...heres a little of my story. I am working at Simuflite, and I see atleast 2 Airnet guys every week in either my initial or recurrent classes. I am not at Simuflite for a career, everyone there knows I will fly once I have my wings. I am atleast two months away from getting my instrument, multi-commercial and even though staying at Simuflite would be great, I know that some doors do open for me...such as with Airnet. I would like to get my type rating in the Lear 35 through Simuflite, if I chose to even right seat with Airnet so that hopefully I can go to the Lear with Airnet after I meet the 135 requirements. I am not looking for any special accomodations, I want to pay my dues like the other guy. But like the other guy, I just want to get into the jets where the time counts for something else bigger some day. So my big question is... at 250+tt with a AMEL is flying for Airnet out of Dallas as a SIC in the baron a reality or am I just hoping for the best between both worlds? If I right seat for Simuflite, I HAVE to commit for one year, so I want to make sure that I can fulfill both obligations. My schedule at Simuflite is mornings only, so that would leave the afternoons to sleep before my route with Airnet at nights.

Anyone have any good advice to share to help a youngin' make a good decision? I guess I really want to please everyone, but I dont think that is always possible in our industry.

No dallas based Baron. Closest one is in OK.
Also Lear upgrades are senority based so no dice on going directly to the right seat.

[Aviator_Bakeek]

Originally Posted by mikecweb

No dallas based Baron. Closest one is in OK.
Also Lear upgrades are senority based so no dice on going directly to the right seat.

Yeah well I would love to go straight to the right seat (like any other low time pilot) but I knew that wasnt an option, my exact reason for saying that I didnt want any special accomodations.

Well, it looks like then I have to make a choice between Simuflite or Airnet?

[ljg]

Or a host of other companies out there. The pilot market is strong right now. Good luck with everything you're doing.

[mnixon]

Originally Posted by butt

The person sitting in there riding along is not going to freak out and karate chop your face off. You know that.

Actually no I don't. I refer you to the incident that happened late 80s/early 90s where a FedEx Crew member was jumpseating went apepoo, tried to kill the crew using spear guns and karate skills. He was trying to hijack the plane to crash into the memphis sort. So no, I don't know that some dudes not gonna go crazy and karate chop me.

[ljg]

Auburn Calloway. Great book! I read it in one sitting and found it a little uncomfortable that every word in it was true.

[butt]

Originally Posted by mnixon

Actually no I don't. I refer you to the incident that happened late 80s/early 90s where a FedEx Crew member was jumpseating went apepoo, tried to kill the crew using spear guns and karate skills. He was trying to hijack the plane to crash into the memphis sort. So no, I don't know that some dudes not gonna go crazy and karate chop me.

So you're saying all jumpseaters could possibly go all kung-fu, therefore all jumpseaters should be denied?

Or is it the jumpseaters who you don't want there in the first place that are the ones who might karate chop the cockpit?

[mikecweb]

Originally Posted by butt

So you're saying all jumpseaters could possibly go all kung-fu, therefore all jumpseaters should be denied?

Or is it the jumpseaters who you don't want there in the first place that are the ones who might karate chop the cockpit?

I think the point that your missing is that it's his jumpseat and he can do whatever he wants with it. Your opinion or idea of what is proper has no bearing on what he does as PIC of his aircraft.

[mnixon]

I'm not gonna play this game of you taking everything I say and spin it into what you want it to mean. My wife does that, I don't need another. Is there a possibility that every single jumpseater could go nuts, absolutely. Being a CASS member at least lessens that chance I would hope, although the government is running that program so probably not. Bottom line, I don't like the idea of some schmo being able to ride just because he wants to play cargo pilot for the night. Primarily because it's a safety issue to me as PIC. Secondly, like I admitted earlier is all politics. No momma, no rider.

[butt]

Originally Posted by mikecweb

I think the point that your missing is that it's his jumpseat and he can do whatever he wants with it. Your opinion or idea of what is proper has no bearing on what he does as PIC of his aircraft.

So lets say I'm a Airnet employee. Since I'm the PIC of the aircraft, can I make the decision to only fly with white SIC's? Since it's my aircraft, and I'm the PIC, I should have total control of who flies with me, right? Would I be in the right if I made such a decision? I certainly do have the authority to do that, but does that make it right? If I were to come up with statistics that stated it is more likely to crash flying with non-white people, would that justify it?

[butt]

Originally Posted by mnixon

I'm not gonna play this game of you taking everything I say and spin it into what you want it to mean. My wife does that, I don't need another. Is there a possibility that every single jumpseater could go nuts, absolutely. Being a CASS member at least lessens that chance I would hope, although the government is running that program so probably not. Bottom line, I don't like the idea of some schmo being able to ride just because he wants to play cargo pilot for the night. Primarily because it's a safety issue to me as PIC. Secondly, like I admitted earlier is all politics. No momma, no rider.

Here's the bottom line: If Airnet allows your mother to ride, you'll allow the ride-alongs, right? If thats the case, then allowing "some schmo" to ride along isn't a safety concern at all now is it? You are making this into a safety issue when it is not. Just because you have the authority to make a decision, does not make that decision correct, necessarily.

[Flysher]

Originally Posted by butt

So lets say I'm a Airnet employee. Since I'm the PIC of the aircraft, can I make the decision to only fly with white SIC's? Since it's my aircraft, and I'm the PIC, I should have total control of who flies with me, right? Would I be in the right if I made such a decision? I certainly do have the authority to do that, but does that make it right? If I were to come up with statistics that stated it is more likely to crash flying with non-white people, would that justify it?

[mikecweb]

Originally Posted by butt

So lets say I'm a Airnet employee. Since I'm the PIC of the aircraft, can I make the decision to only fly with white SIC's? Since it's my aircraft, and I'm the PIC, I should have total control of who flies with me, right? Would I be in the right if I made such a decision? I certainly do have the authority to do that, but does that make it right? If I were to come up with statistics that stated it is more likely to crash flying with non-white people, would that justify it?

Sorry to say but with your attitude that's a very big assumption.

[MSUDAWG]

Not to hijack the thread or anything, but do you guys at airnet sometimes have jumpseaters? I was trying to jumpseat back home the other night from jackson, ms after a buddies funeral and was going to catch the HKS flight but ended up getting on a PCL flight that was a lot earlier instead...When I listed with dispatch he seemed cool about it, but ended up calling him back to say thanks but I caught an earlier flight

[mikecweb]

Originally Posted by MSUDAWG

Not to hijack the thread or anything, but do you guys at airnet sometimes have jumpseaters? I was trying to jumpseat back home the other night from jackson, ms after a buddies funeral and was going to catch the HKS flight but ended up getting on a PCL flight that was a lot earlier instead...When I listed with dispatch he seemed cool about it, but ended up calling him back to say thanks but I caught an earlier flight

Yeah we get a fair amount of jumpseaters.
We'd probably have alot more if we flew during the day.

[butt]

Originally Posted by mikecweb

Sorry to say but with your attitude that's a very big assumption.

I was making a point. You all seem to have this attitude that any decision a PIC makes is the right decision, soley because he's the PIC.

If I owned a 6 million dollar yacht, and I decide to go set it on fire just for fun, is that a good decision? No. Even though I own it, and have authority to do with it as I please, it's still a dumb decision.

I'm not saying you don't have the authority to boot someone when appropriate. Heck, I;m not even criticizing your stance on not wanting them ride along. What I am criticizing, is you making this into a safety issue when it clearly isn't.

[ljg]

[mnixon]

Originally Posted by butt

Here's the bottom line: If Airnet allows your mother to ride, you'll allow the ride-alongs, right? If thats the case, then allowing "some schmo" to ride along isn't a safety concern at all now is it? You are making this into a safety issue when it is not. Just because you have the authority to make a decision, does not make that decision correct, necessarily.

Dude, I should have never told you that it was political. Even if they were to let family ride again, I still wouldn't let schmos ride just because they wanna play pilot. If you wanna see what it's like, go rent a baron, sleep all day, wake up drink a pot of coffee, fly a little while reading the paper, land, drink another pot of coffee, take off, read the rest of the paper while cursing yourself out for screwing up the sudoku (third time this week I had to throw it away), land, go home drink a beer and go to bed at 8 am. Wash rinse and repeat as neccessary.

Yes I'm the PIC and yes I can allow anyone or ban anyone from the cockpit as I see fit. It is a decision that I am allowed to make, and it is the right decision. You may not agree with me, but until your my captain, I could give a flying (insert your favorite bad word here) about how you feel. Not only is it my job, it's my responsibility as PIC to make sure I did everything I could to keep that airplane safe. I personally feel it's a safety issue that there going to let anyone ride just as long as they have a CML. I won't fly through some stuff other guys will. Are they wrong or am I? Neither. Safety you will learn is solely a personal thing. Once you understand that, you will understand my argument. What's good for the goose is not always good for the gander. Just because the TSA and the FAA say it's ok, don't make it right. Peace, I'm out.