Ameriflight SIC's

Texasspilot · June 15th, 2007, 13:12

Does ameriflight use SIC's in the cheiftan.......have they ever?

jtrain609 · June 15th, 2007, 16:39

They're PFTers. Any Ameriflight SIC you find, save for the EMB-120 and Lear FO's are all PFTers. The program is run through eagle jet.

averyrm · June 15th, 2007, 16:43

If you're looking for an SIC program for someone, Airnet is hiring them and we actually pay them to take up space.

jtrain609 · June 15th, 2007, 17:07

I would never recommend the Amflight SIC program to anybody. Ever.

n57flyguy · June 15th, 2007, 20:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by averyrm

If you're looking for an SIC program for someone, Airnet is hiring them and we actually pay them to take up space.

Get out!

ComplexHiAv8r · June 15th, 2007, 22:36

So being a street captain at a SIC PFJ is ok at AMF, but not gulfstream?

jtrain609 · June 15th, 2007, 22:58

It's a different operation. We're a single pilot operation, Gulfstream requires the second guy to be there.

The PFTers at Amflight are not taking anybodies job.

ComplexHiAv8r · June 15th, 2007, 23:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtrain609

It's a different operation. We're a single pilot operation, Gulfstream requires the second guy to be there.

The PFTers at Amflight are not taking anybodies job.

Then how do they log it, if they are not needed?

Texasspilot · June 15th, 2007, 23:11

just checkin... a guy sent a resume....and its gonna get thrown out.

jtrain609 · June 15th, 2007, 23:18

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Originally Posted by ComplexHiAv8r

Then how do they log it, if they are not needed?

It's kind of complicated. It's legit SIC time, because they have a part 135 IFR SIC checkout, but they can be bumped for cargo. It's legal, but complicated to really understand how it happens.

jtrain609 · June 15th, 2007, 23:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texasspilot

just checkin... a guy sent a resume....and its gonna get thrown out.

Can you post that in general topics? I'd love for more people to see this.

ComplexHiAv8r · June 16th, 2007, 09:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtrain609

It's kind of complicated. It's legit SIC time, because they have a part 135 IFR SIC checkout, but they can be bumped for cargo. It's legal, but complicated to really understand how it happens.

Why legal, not sure this sound exactly on the up and up.

Ian J · June 16th, 2007, 10:01

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Originally Posted by ComplexHiAv8r

Why legal, not sure this sound exactly on the up and up.

It's legal dude - and it's on the up and up. AirNet does the same thing except they pay their SICs. The regs fully support it, though like jtrain I don't feel like digging out the regs and explaining it all. (Not that'd I'd do a decent job - it's all new stuff to me - current pt 135 guys might do a better job at it).

JayAre · June 16th, 2007, 10:45

growls!!!!!

yes they do ride in the chieftain

OldTownPilot · June 16th, 2007, 12:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texasspilot

just checkin... a guy sent a resume....and its gonna get thrown out.

The same thing has happened with a CASW sic, at a place that I know of

mtsu_av8er · June 16th, 2007, 15:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by ComplexHiAv8r

So being a street captain at a SIC PFJ is ok at AMF, but not gulfstream?

KLB · June 16th, 2007, 15:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by ComplexHiAv8r

So being a street captain at a SIC PFJ is ok at AMF, but not gulfstream?

Most of the guys doing the SIC program are foreign and use it to build time to go and fly in their own countries. So they are not really getting a real job at AMF.

With that being said...I'm not a fan of the program. Some of those guys get more in the way more than anything. I don't fly with them. I'd rather have my crap in the right seat anyways.

SIUav8er · June 17th, 2007, 03:19

do you have a choice whether you fly with these SIC's at ameriflight?

jtrain609 · June 17th, 2007, 03:24

As the PIC I guess you could leave them on the ramp. You'd probably be involved in a pretty serious carpet dance, but the company couldn't force you to fly with them.

JayAre · June 17th, 2007, 12:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIUav8er

do you have a choice whether you fly with these SIC's at ameriflight?

As PIC you delegate what they can do. So if you don't like them they run the radio and checklist or nothing at all just look for traffic. You also get paid per hour they fly with you $5.

fly02 · June 17th, 2007, 22:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian J

It's legal dude - and it's on the up and up. AirNet does the same thing except they pay their SICs. The regs fully support it, though like jtrain I don't feel like digging out the regs and explaining it all. (Not that'd I'd do a decent job - it's all new stuff to me - current pt 135 guys might do a better job at it).

This web page has an article explaining the legality of the AirNet SIC program.

http://www.airapps.com/articles/AirN...irnet.html#log

Hootie · June 20th, 2007, 13:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texasspilot

just checkin... a guy sent a resume....and its gonna get thrown out.

Thank you!!

Hootie · June 20th, 2007, 13:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by ComplexHiAv8r

So being a street captain at a SIC PFJ is ok at AMF, but not gulfstream?

Because they are not required, by the FAR's. Also as the PIC you can leave them behind for whatever reason. I chose not to fly with a "certain person" and didn't hear one peep about it. Most of the time I'd rather have the money, but if the guys sucks or is an a-hole then most guys would just ditch them.

citabriapilot · June 20th, 2007, 18:24

When I was in SLC some captains would put "NO F.O." next to their name on the schedule and that was that. Most of the F.O.'s I'd ever seen always asked permission to join a flight. Personally, if the guy/gal had a good personality I didn't mind the company. Some of foreign guys got to be a bother with radio communication skills, but I understood that they were here to build time and learn, so I did my best to help them out. There was only one SUPER 'Jo FO that drove me nuts... Never had the heart to kick him out, though.

robair73 · June 24th, 2007, 13:11

I didn't care if they were there to learn and build time. I was there to work - not teach. I spent 14 months flight instructing to build my time so I didn't have to go through the agony of watching someone fumble through checklists and stare at the panel with an empty gaze. I said screw it " NO FO!" It's a joke. I was just flying with a captain that does interviews at the airline and he was asking me about the whole SIC program and what I thought about it. He agreed that kind of time is pretty much worthless. He's had a few people he interviewed with that kind of time and decided to not hire them based on that fact. It's a friggin joke. Maybe I'd fly with them just to beat the crap out of them in the air for being such tools!!

June 15th, 2007, 13:12	#1
Texasspilot Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,080	Ameriflight SIC's Does ameriflight use SIC's in the cheiftan.......have they ever?

June 15th, 2007, 16:39	#2
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,869	Re: Ameriflight SIC's They're PFTers. Any Ameriflight SIC you find, save for the EMB-120 and Lear FO's are all PFTers. The program is run through eagle jet. __________________ "Jetlink 2940, on another radio, contact clearance for new airways..."

June 15th, 2007, 16:43	#3
averyrm Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: LCK Posts: 1,654	Re: Ameriflight SIC's If you're looking for an SIC program for someone, Airnet is hiring them and we actually pay them to take up space. __________________ <-- That guy with Belushi as his avitar

June 15th, 2007, 17:07	#4
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,869	Re: Ameriflight SIC's I would never recommend the Amflight SIC program to anybody. Ever. __________________ "Jetlink 2940, on another radio, contact clearance for new airways..."

June 15th, 2007, 22:36	#6
ComplexHiAv8r Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: OH or is it MX?? Posts: 4,881	Re: Ameriflight SIC's So being a street captain at a SIC PFJ is ok at AMF, but not gulfstream? __________________ ASEL Instrument 500+ TT Cirrus Driver Engineer Loving Spouse and Father Proud Foster Parent Get Busy Living, or Get Busy Dying....

June 15th, 2007, 22:58	#7
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,869	Re: Ameriflight SIC's It's a different operation. We're a single pilot operation, Gulfstream requires the second guy to be there. The PFTers at Amflight are not taking anybodies job. __________________ "Jetlink 2940, on another radio, contact clearance for new airways..."

June 15th, 2007, 23:11	#9
Texasspilot Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,080	Re: Ameriflight SIC's just checkin... a guy sent a resume....and its gonna get thrown out.

June 16th, 2007, 10:45	#14
JayAre Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Multiple Posts: 1,042	Re: Ameriflight SIC's growls!!!!! yes they do ride in the chieftain __________________ Im voting for "That one"

June 17th, 2007, 03:19	#18
SIUav8er Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: at work Posts: 962	Re: Ameriflight SIC's do you have a choice whether you fly with these SIC's at ameriflight? __________________ Commercial Pilot, CE-500 Gold Seal CFI.II.MEI IGI Future GoJet Pilot.

June 17th, 2007, 03:24	#19
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,869	Re: Ameriflight SIC's As the PIC I guess you could leave them on the ramp. You'd probably be involved in a pretty serious carpet dance, but the company couldn't force you to fly with them. __________________ "Jetlink 2940, on another radio, contact clearance for new airways..."

June 20th, 2007, 18:24	#24
citabriapilot Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 125	Re: Ameriflight SIC's When I was in SLC some captains would put "NO F.O." next to their name on the schedule and that was that. Most of the F.O.'s I'd ever seen always asked permission to join a flight. Personally, if the guy/gal had a good personality I didn't mind the company. Some of foreign guys got to be a bother with radio communication skills, but I understood that they were here to build time and learn, so I did my best to help them out. There was only one SUPER 'Jo FO that drove me nuts... Never had the heart to kick him out, though.

June 24th, 2007, 13:11	#25
robair73 Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Chi town Posts: 521	Re: Ameriflight SIC's I didn't care if they were there to learn and build time. I was there to work - not teach. I spent 14 months flight instructing to build my time so I didn't have to go through the agony of watching someone fumble through checklists and stare at the panel with an empty gaze. I said screw it " NO FO!" It's a joke. I was just flying with a captain that does interviews at the airline and he was asking me about the whole SIC program and what I thought about it. He agreed that kind of time is pretty much worthless. He's had a few people he interviewed with that kind of time and decided to not hire them based on that fact. It's a friggin joke. Maybe I'd fly with them just to beat the crap out of them in the air for being such tools!! __________________ Cream Pie

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