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April 11th, 2007, 09:55
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First time doing a special VFR. Never thought Id have to, but this morning the fog was dense on the ground but only for about 50 feet. Atis was saying 3/4 of a mile but RVR was greater than 6000.
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April 11th, 2007, 10:41
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FAR 91.157 (c)No person may take off or land an aircraft (other than a helicopter) under special VFR— (1) Unless ground visibility is at least 1 statute mile Am I missing something???? Did you not have an IFR flight plan? |
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April 11th, 2007, 13:57
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Isnt RVR controlling? 5000 RVR is 1SM.
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April 11th, 2007, 14:01
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April 11th, 2007, 14:40
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April 11th, 2007, 14:58
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Are you 135 or 91? I assume if you're posting in the Freight Dawg forum you are 135. I'm not familiar with 135 though.
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April 11th, 2007, 15:01
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As far as I know, 135 doesn't have any trumping regs over 91 when it comes to VFR or SVFR rules. I would've filed to get out of there, but I'm more conservative on some of the rules. As far as RVR, we were taught it was controlling, but does that apply to SVFR, since you shouldn't even be worrying about RVR's for VFR in my book? I don't know for sure... Of course, I've heard of people doing Contact approaches using RVR's of a lot lower...go figure. They realized later, in disussing it, they were way wrong in doing it. |
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April 11th, 2007, 15:09
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[quote=Stone Cold;572569]As far as RVR, we were taught it was controlling, but does that apply to SVFR, since you shouldn't even be worrying about RVR's for VFR in my book? [quote] Good point... P.S. How's the Lear 60 going for you at SK?
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April 11th, 2007, 16:38
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In part 91, ground visibilty is defined as visibility being reported by an observer. The SVFR reg for part 91 asks for "ground visibility" in regards to takeoffs and landings under SVFR. RVR is defined as being measured by instruments. You may use flight viz if ground viz is not reported. You might get two different answers from two different FAA Inspectors on this. One might say RVR is controlling to SVFR and another might say that it is not because of the definition. IMO RVR is safe for finishing an instrument approach and not conducting VFR or SVFR because RVR is for a runway, not the area surrounding the airport. That's why RVR can allow you to finish a precision approach but not allow you to circle. The ground viz is what determines when you can and can't circle. The 135 rules are completely different. DBrault17, you should consult with your manual on this if you want to do SVFR operations on a 135 leg.
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April 11th, 2007, 16:53
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Cool. Thanks for the help. Ill look into once I get back. Damn, its not easy doing this job VFR. I cant wait to lift that restriction. |
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