Freight Dawg Mins

H46Bubba · February 24th, 2007, 16:42

I'm just curious as to what the mins are for freight. I know the FARs for 135 PIC IFR. I'm getting ready to finish up with my comercial ASEL and I'm trying to figure out where to go next. I wanted to originally instruct but I'm not feelin it anymore. Any advice is welcome.

wheelsup · February 24th, 2007, 18:30

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I know the FARs for 135 PIC IFR.

Then you know the mins for freight

. Unless of course, you can land a job flying freight 91. Those are pretty tough to come by though.

H46Bubba · February 24th, 2007, 18:38

Thanks

JEP · February 24th, 2007, 19:15

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Originally Posted by H46Bubba

I'm just curious as to what the mins are for freight. I know the FARs for 135 PIC IFR. I'm getting ready to finish up with my comercial ASEL and I'm trying to figure out where to go next. I wanted to originally instruct but I'm not feelin it anymore. Any advice is welcome.

Come on now, you have to pay your dues.....

Milesar · February 24th, 2007, 19:21

What it like flying 91 for freight?

jtrain609 · February 24th, 2007, 19:24

Find me a part 91 freight company and I'll show you an illegal operation, unless you're flying freight for ONE company (not likely).

mtsu_av8er · February 24th, 2007, 19:36

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Originally Posted by jtrain609

Find me a part 91 freight company and I'll show you an illegal operation, unless you're flying freight for ONE company (not likely).

Labquest?

H46Bubba · February 24th, 2007, 19:36

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Originally Posted by JEP

Come on now, you have to pay your dues.....

Hey, I've paid my bar tabs!

jtrain609 · February 24th, 2007, 19:42

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Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Labquest?

They've got their own planes to haul their own crap?

Bandit_Driver · February 24th, 2007, 20:38

If you can find a freight company that requires FO's you may be able to get in with less than the required PIC hours. That is what I did when starting out.

I was an FO on a E110 for Royal Air Freight in PTK. I think I had something like 700TT and <100ME when I got hired...

mikecweb · February 24th, 2007, 20:41

Lab quest is like a dream freight dawg job.
From what I hear they pay somethin like 50k to fly a TBM.
They also have 310s and king airs

wheelsup · February 25th, 2007, 13:54

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Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Labquest?

yep, aka Quest Diagnostics.

Speaking of which, one of their 310/TBM pilots is ex-FLX.

mtsu_av8er · February 26th, 2007, 02:08

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Originally Posted by jtrain609

They've got their own planes to haul their own crap?

They certainly do! It's kinda dreamy . . .

jtrain609 · February 26th, 2007, 16:21

Fair enough, BUT, let's be clear here; this is not much of a "freight" job in the way the term is typical thrown around, this is more of a corporate gig that hauls boxes instead of people.

To say that it's "freight" might be a bit disingenuous to the kids that don't understand operating certificates and what not. There is an implication that when you say "flying freight," 90% of the time we're talking about 121, 121 suplamental, 125 and 135 flying, all of which have very strict time requirements for employment as set by the FAA. While it may be symantically true to say that there can be "Part 91 freight" gigs, they are few and far between and a bit outside of the typical nomenclature used when discussing hauling boxes, or put another way the term "freight" as we use it here is a bit of a "thick concept" with obvious implications that don't involve part 91 flying.

wheelsup · February 26th, 2007, 16:37

John, you were the one that coined the "part 91 freight company" term. I would agree with your explination to yourself though, that technically a part 91 freight company wouldn't exist, it would be termed a "flight department".

The one thing I will say, though, is that for one particular part 91 company I know that flies freight, you are (internally) expected to go below mins, but you didn't hear that from me. If it were me, I'd rather stick with a high-class 135 outfit that respects its pilots decisions, even if the pay is less.

jtrain609 · February 26th, 2007, 17:40

You're the one that recommended flying a part 91 freight job actually, would you like me to quote you?

Then some guy started asking about part 91 freight, which is doing a new guy that is trying to learn about this stuff a diservice because now he's out there huting for a 91 freight gig that in reality, most people will never see.

wheelsup · February 26th, 2007, 17:45

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Originally Posted by jtrain609

You're the one that recommended flying a part 91 freight job actually, would you like me to quote you?

Actually I said "flying freight [part] 91". I'm not sure if I recommended it, but inferred that if one could find a job doing it part 91, then the 135 mins wouldn't apply.

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Then some guy started asking about part 91 freight, which is doing a new guy that is trying to learn about this stuff a diservice because now he's out there huting for a 91 freight gig that in reality, most people will never see.

Agreed.

Texasspilot · February 27th, 2007, 17:57

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Originally Posted by wheelsup

yep, aka Quest Diagnostics.

Speaking of which, one of their 310/TBM pilots is ex-FLX.

Wheels I believe they're two seperate companies.
From what I've read labquest pays significantly less than quest.

wheelsup · February 27th, 2007, 21:29

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Originally Posted by Texasspilot

Wheels I believe they're two seperate companies.
From what I've read labquest pays significantly less than quest.

"Labquest" is Quest Diagnostics ATC callsign, not sure what you're referring to.

On a side note, I still can't figure out how they get away with doing it part 91.

mikecweb · February 27th, 2007, 22:27

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Originally Posted by wheelsup

"Labquest" is Quest Diagnostics ATC callsign, not sure what you're referring to.

On a side note, I still can't figure out how they get away with doing it part 91.

It's "their" piss.

wheelsup · February 27th, 2007, 22:59

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Originally Posted by mikecweb

It's "their" piss.

But it's not, it's someone else's who wants their stuff tested.

mikecweb · February 27th, 2007, 23:32

This is going toward the direction of what is is.
I think the piss is considered theirs once it enters the cup.

jtrain609 · February 27th, 2007, 23:56

Naw, it's their piss. Sure they're doing the piss testing for somebody else, but they own the piss that they're transporting; the guys that are paying for the piss tests don't care where it goes or how it gets transported, they just want the results.

So the thing that's really being sold is the results of the test, not the piss itself. If they were in business soley to transport the piss then it'd be common carriage and it'd require a 135 certificate, but because the nature of the business is only the results, and they need to move THEIR piss from point A to point B to test it, then it's legal part 91.

No different than a company moving contractors from Las Vegas to area 51. Sure they're not employee's of the government, but because they're not holding out and it's not common carriage they could operate part 91...though I dunno if Janet has a 121 operating certificate or not.

mikecweb · February 28th, 2007, 00:12

So you mean I can't just walk up to a lapquest pilot and hand him a warm cup of....my piss and say take this to New York.?

jtrain609 · February 28th, 2007, 00:16

Exactly

Which is exactly what people do with your boxes to us all the time!

"Hey...this is a mis-sort from Airnet, can you take it to Vegas?"

"This is a set of golf clubs, bro"

"Yeah we know, it ended up on the wrong Lear..."

February 24th, 2007, 16:42	#1
H46Bubba Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: CVG Posts: 4,149	Freight Dawg Mins I'm just curious as to what the mins are for freight. I know the FARs for 135 PIC IFR. I'm getting ready to finish up with my comercial ASEL and I'm trying to figure out where to go next. I wanted to originally instruct but I'm not feelin it anymore. Any advice is welcome.

February 24th, 2007, 18:38	#3
H46Bubba Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: CVG Posts: 4,149	Re: Freight Dawg Mins Thanks

February 24th, 2007, 19:21	#5
Milesar Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: BrownChickenBrownCow Posts: 725	Re: Freight Dawg Mins What it like flying 91 for freight?

February 24th, 2007, 19:24	#6
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,289	Re: Freight Dawg Mins Find me a part 91 freight company and I'll show you an illegal operation, unless you're flying freight for ONE company (not likely). __________________

February 24th, 2007, 20:38	#10
Bandit_Driver Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DTW Posts: 1,695	Re: Freight Dawg Mins If you can find a freight company that requires FO's you may be able to get in with less than the required PIC hours. That is what I did when starting out. I was an FO on a E110 for Royal Air Freight in PTK. I think I had something like 700TT and <100ME when I got hired... __________________ OOTSK Logbook Pro - Electronic Pilots Logbook

February 26th, 2007, 16:21	#14
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,289	Re: Freight Dawg Mins Fair enough, BUT, let's be clear here; this is not much of a "freight" job in the way the term is typical thrown around, this is more of a corporate gig that hauls boxes instead of people. To say that it's "freight" might be a bit disingenuous to the kids that don't understand operating certificates and what not. There is an implication that when you say "flying freight," 90% of the time we're talking about 121, 121 suplamental, 125 and 135 flying, all of which have very strict time requirements for employment as set by the FAA. While it may be symantically true to say that there can be "Part 91 freight" gigs, they are few and far between and a bit outside of the typical nomenclature used when discussing hauling boxes, or put another way the term "freight" as we use it here is a bit of a "thick concept" with obvious implications that don't involve part 91 flying. __________________

February 26th, 2007, 16:37	#15
wheelsup Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: _ Posts: 5,278	Re: Freight Dawg Mins John, you were the one that coined the "part 91 freight company" term. I would agree with your explination to yourself though, that technically a part 91 freight company wouldn't exist, it would be termed a "flight department". The one thing I will say, though, is that for one particular part 91 company I know that flies freight, you are (internally) expected to go below mins, but you didn't hear that from me. If it were me, I'd rather stick with a high-class 135 outfit that respects its pilots decisions, even if the pay is less. __________________ "It takes just as much time to be nice to someone as it does to be a jerk."

February 26th, 2007, 17:40	#16
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,289	Re: Freight Dawg Mins You're the one that recommended flying a part 91 freight job actually, would you like me to quote you? Then some guy started asking about part 91 freight, which is doing a new guy that is trying to learn about this stuff a diservice because now he's out there huting for a 91 freight gig that in reality, most people will never see. __________________

February 27th, 2007, 23:56	#23
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,289	Re: Freight Dawg Mins Naw, it's their piss. Sure they're doing the piss testing for somebody else, but they own the piss that they're transporting; the guys that are paying for the piss tests don't care where it goes or how it gets transported, they just want the results. So the thing that's really being sold is the results of the test, not the piss itself. If they were in business soley to transport the piss then it'd be common carriage and it'd require a 135 certificate, but because the nature of the business is only the results, and they need to move THEIR piss from point A to point B to test it, then it's legal part 91. No different than a company moving contractors from Las Vegas to area 51. Sure they're not employee's of the government, but because they're not holding out and it's not common carriage they could operate part 91...though I dunno if Janet has a 121 operating certificate or not. __________________

February 28th, 2007, 00:16	#25
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,289	Re: Freight Dawg Mins Exactly Which is exactly what people do with your boxes to us all the time! "Hey...this is a mis-sort from Airnet, can you take it to Vegas?" "This is a set of golf clubs, bro" "Yeah we know, it ended up on the wrong Lear..." __________________

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