Airnet questions

Mattio · February 21st, 2007, 12:37

I have some questions for you airnet guys

1. Do they pay during the initial training if you are going to do the SIC program. Their website implies that they do, but I saw an article from a while back that says that they only pay the PIC guys during training ($195/week or something like that).

2. Do their piston twins have GPS or WxRadar? If not, do they care if you bring a portable one?

3. Are all of their routes night routes or are some of they during daytime?

Sorry to be a pain with all the questions, but I am seriously considering applying in a few months.

falconvalley · February 21st, 2007, 13:36

These are FAQs for sure with AirNet. Back when I went through IPTP (Feb 06), everybody was paid the same during training regardless of whether they were PIC after training or if they were SIC. During training we received a reimbursement for per diem and at the time I think it was $165/week. It took FOREVER for my classmate and I to get our first check. I want to say 3-4 weeks. The night you pass your 135 checkride, though, you are on the payroll as a SIC or PIC. From that point on you get your duty rig or min pay for line pilots.

Many of the piston twins have GPS and radar.

Most of their routes are night routes, but they have some day routes. I flew many trips during the day.

Mattio · February 22nd, 2007, 00:05

Great, thanks Falcon. Now I just need to decide if I want to instruct until I get up to 135 minimums (probably in about 4-5 months) and go right on as PIC, or apply now and try to get on on as SIC and get used to being a freight dawg from the right seat.

mikecweb · February 22nd, 2007, 00:55

I highly recommend sitting right seat for awhile. This type of flying is very different then what your used to and its a nice transition when you got someone showing the ropes. Two or three IOE flights i don't think cuts it transitioning you into a freight dawg.
Go into it willing to fly at night or day because its really a luck of the draw out of training until you build some senority.
Pay is the same between SICs and PICs in training and SICs on the line get paid bout 75% of PICs.

Mattio · February 22nd, 2007, 10:52

Ya, that is probably a good idea. I figure about 50-100 hours in the right seat should be perfect to get acclimated, that sound about right?

Ian J · February 22nd, 2007, 11:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecweb

I highly recommend sitting right seat for awhile. This type of flying is very different then what your used to and its a nice transition when you got someone showing the ropes. Two or three IOE flights i don't think cuts it transitioning you into a freight dawg.
Go into it willing to fly at night or day because its really a luck of the draw out of training until you build some senority.
Pay is the same between SICs and PICs in training and SICs on the line get paid bout 75% of PICs.

Good advice... I was wondering about that myself.

Mattio · February 22nd, 2007, 12:41

From what I have heard, when you do the SIC program you basically just go along when they don't have to put cargo on the right seat. Any idea how many weeks it would take to accumulate 100 hours in the right seat?

falconvalley · February 22nd, 2007, 14:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecweb

I highly recommend sitting right seat for awhile. This type of flying is very different then what your used to and its a nice transition when you got someone showing the ropes. Two or three IOE flights i don't think cuts it transitioning you into a freight dawg.
Go into it willing to fly at night or day because its really a luck of the draw out of training until you build some senority.
Pay is the same between SICs and PICs in training and SICs on the line get paid bout 75% of PICs.

I only spent one week as an SIC. It took me another month to get used to the operation, because newbie PICs weren't getting assigned runs very quick back then.

falconvalley · February 22nd, 2007, 14:42

For SIC time building, depending on what runs have a seat open and where you'd like to go, you can usually find a good 60-100 hour per month run. AirNet was calling for 1050 TT to start training, so you would get about 150 hours as an SIC, maximum. If you get hired with lower time they usually ask you to get to 1050 first. People do go through training with less than 1000 hours but a vast majority of them already work for the company. So, I guess the answer to your question is AirNet figures 150 hours maximum for SIC. You'll be doing the SIC in a Baron. No cargo is allowed in the right seat, but SICs frequently get bumped for gross weight. The assistant chief pilots try to avoid assigning SICs to runs that are notorious for going at max weight.

mikecweb · February 22nd, 2007, 15:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattio

From what I have heard, when you do the SIC program you basically just go along when they don't have to put cargo on the right seat. Any idea how many weeks it would take to accumulate 100 hours in the right seat?

As Travis just said no cargo on the right seat.
Most prop captains are pretty good to their SICs too. It's not like a sit there, shut up, and don't touch anything. They will usually alternate legs and you will definetly get to load cargo

.
One big thing to consider is definetly getting above 1050 before coming to training. Reason being is if your under you have to take another checkride once reaching 1200. Not sure if its a reg or a policy but its definetly a pain to have to do two checkrides.
Oh yeah and I would try to start in the summer time. With weather like the past two weeks a little freight puppy might get a little perplexed.

Mattio · February 22nd, 2007, 17:29

Sounds good, thanks for all the info guys. I'm up to about 950 hours but I'm not sure how much 135 x-country time. I didn't realize until recently that there was yet another definition of x-c time when it is for part 135 ops. I'll have to add that up and fill in their online app in the near future.

mnixon · February 22nd, 2007, 18:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecweb

As Travis just said no cargo on the right seat.
Most prop captains are pretty good to their SICs too. It's not like a sit there, shut up, and don't touch anything. They will usually alternate legs and you will definetly get to load cargo

.
One big thing to consider is definetly getting above 1050 before coming to training. Reason being is if your under you have to take another checkride once reaching 1200. Not sure if its a reg or a policy but its definetly a pain to have to do two checkrides.
Oh yeah and I would try to start in the summer time. With weather like the past two weeks a little freight puppy might get a little perplexed.

Your not having fun with this visibility? I got a free stay in Cleveland because of it! And what do you do if the Visibility is missing?

Stone Cold · February 22nd, 2007, 18:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by mnixon

Your not having fun with this visibility? I got a free stay in Cleveland because of it! And what do you do if the Visibility is missing?

Oh, you know you loved dirty Cleveland!!! Hahaha. As far as the visibility missing, do the visual right? Hahahaha

Before everybody jumps on this, this is an inside joke about some other stuff. Do NOT do the visual if the vis is missing!!

mikecweb · February 22nd, 2007, 19:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by mnixon

Your not having fun with this visibility? I got a free stay in Cleveland because of it! And what do you do if the Visibility is missing?

It actually hasn't really affected me much except for less work on my plane. Luckily I got out of midway before it went down on Tuesday.

mnixon · February 23rd, 2007, 14:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stone Cold

Oh, you know you loved dirty Cleveland!!! Hahaha. As far as the visibility missing, do the visual right? Hahahaha

Before everybody jumps on this, this is an inside joke about some other stuff. Do NOT do the visual if the vis is missing!!

Or just get the contact!

Stone Cold · February 23rd, 2007, 15:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by mnixon

Or just get the contact!

Exactly!!!

Mattio · February 23rd, 2007, 23:17

I realize that the talk about "missing visibility" was an inside joke but it made me think a little about what you would do if IFR and the visibility was missing. I have never had that happen to me, but I know that part 91 uses the "flight visibility" for determining if you can go below MDA/DA, so the pilot can determine this in flight. However, for takeoff, it says that the visibility must be above the minimum and it does not specify that the visibility must be either reported or observed. I guess this implies that the pilot can make his/her own judgement on the visibility if the visibility is missing from the report....

For part 135, I'm sure this is different. In 135.255 it says that weather conditions must be reported to be above the IFR minimums, so if the visibility is missing, you can't operate at all at the airport in IFR...

Flysher · February 24th, 2007, 01:39

No inside joke, the vis was actually missing that night. The tower controllers were providing the RVR for inbound flights though so that took care of the requirement for wx reporting.

crazy night, at least you guys didnt have to sort in AGC on Tuesday!! Talk about a huge mess!!!!

Stone Cold · February 24th, 2007, 01:44

I heard about it.

As far as visibility missing, there are two ways around it. One, if there is a certified weather observer, or something to that effect, or, as noted above, with RVR's, are the only way to get in legally.

That's all I'll say about the inside joke. You'll have to provide a lot of beer for that one to be told.

Mattio · February 24th, 2007, 11:41

I'll have to send you a case of molson...

or sam adams, quality beers

mikecweb · February 24th, 2007, 11:54

Yeah I guess I lucked out this week 0 approaches!

Better get a few soon I got my reccurrent next week.

Flysher · February 24th, 2007, 15:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattio

I'll have to send you a case of molson...

or sam adams, quality beers

Based on your beer preference, you now have a letter of recommendation from me

Mattio · February 24th, 2007, 18:16

hahaha, awesome

Pirate Parrot · March 9th, 2007, 00:20

So how are things in AGC these days I used to work out of there years ago.... sounds like the sort is still fun.

February 21st, 2007, 12:37	#1
Mattio Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston Posts: 105	Airnet questions I have some questions for you airnet guys 1. Do they pay during the initial training if you are going to do the SIC program. Their website implies that they do, but I saw an article from a while back that says that they only pay the PIC guys during training ($195/week or something like that). 2. Do their piston twins have GPS or WxRadar? If not, do they care if you bring a portable one? 3. Are all of their routes night routes or are some of they during daytime? Sorry to be a pain with all the questions, but I am seriously considering applying in a few months.

February 21st, 2007, 13:36	#2
falconvalley Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: KMKE Posts: 2,024	Re: Airnet questions These are FAQs for sure with AirNet. Back when I went through IPTP (Feb 06), everybody was paid the same during training regardless of whether they were PIC after training or if they were SIC. During training we received a reimbursement for per diem and at the time I think it was $165/week. It took FOREVER for my classmate and I to get our first check. I want to say 3-4 weeks. The night you pass your 135 checkride, though, you are on the payroll as a SIC or PIC. From that point on you get your duty rig or min pay for line pilots. Many of the piston twins have GPS and radar. Most of their routes are night routes, but they have some day routes. I flew many trips during the day. __________________ British Airways flight asks for push back clearance from terminal. Control Tower replies: "And where is the world's most experienced airline going today without filing a flight plan?" Last edited by falconvalley; February 21st, 2007 at 13:39. Reason: adding

February 22nd, 2007, 00:05	#3
Mattio Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston Posts: 105	Re: Airnet questions Great, thanks Falcon. Now I just need to decide if I want to instruct until I get up to 135 minimums (probably in about 4-5 months) and go right on as PIC, or apply now and try to get on on as SIC and get used to being a freight dawg from the right seat.

February 22nd, 2007, 00:55	#4
mikecweb Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 2,952	Re: Airnet questions I highly recommend sitting right seat for awhile. This type of flying is very different then what your used to and its a nice transition when you got someone showing the ropes. Two or three IOE flights i don't think cuts it transitioning you into a freight dawg. Go into it willing to fly at night or day because its really a luck of the draw out of training until you build some senority. Pay is the same between SICs and PICs in training and SICs on the line get paid bout 75% of PICs. __________________

February 22nd, 2007, 10:52	#5
Mattio Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston Posts: 105	Re: Airnet questions Ya, that is probably a good idea. I figure about 50-100 hours in the right seat should be perfect to get acclimated, that sound about right?

February 22nd, 2007, 12:41	#7
Mattio Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston Posts: 105	Re: Airnet questions From what I have heard, when you do the SIC program you basically just go along when they don't have to put cargo on the right seat. Any idea how many weeks it would take to accumulate 100 hours in the right seat?

February 22nd, 2007, 14:42	#9
falconvalley Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: KMKE Posts: 2,024	Re: Airnet questions For SIC time building, depending on what runs have a seat open and where you'd like to go, you can usually find a good 60-100 hour per month run. AirNet was calling for 1050 TT to start training, so you would get about 150 hours as an SIC, maximum. If you get hired with lower time they usually ask you to get to 1050 first. People do go through training with less than 1000 hours but a vast majority of them already work for the company. So, I guess the answer to your question is AirNet figures 150 hours maximum for SIC. You'll be doing the SIC in a Baron. No cargo is allowed in the right seat, but SICs frequently get bumped for gross weight. The assistant chief pilots try to avoid assigning SICs to runs that are notorious for going at max weight. __________________ British Airways flight asks for push back clearance from terminal. Control Tower replies: "And where is the world's most experienced airline going today without filing a flight plan?"

February 22nd, 2007, 17:29	#11
Mattio Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston Posts: 105	Re: Airnet questions Sounds good, thanks for all the info guys. I'm up to about 950 hours but I'm not sure how much 135 x-country time. I didn't realize until recently that there was yet another definition of x-c time when it is for part 135 ops. I'll have to add that up and fill in their online app in the near future.

February 23rd, 2007, 23:17	#17
Mattio Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston Posts: 105	Re: Airnet questions I realize that the talk about "missing visibility" was an inside joke but it made me think a little about what you would do if IFR and the visibility was missing. I have never had that happen to me, but I know that part 91 uses the "flight visibility" for determining if you can go below MDA/DA, so the pilot can determine this in flight. However, for takeoff, it says that the visibility must be above the minimum and it does not specify that the visibility must be either reported or observed. I guess this implies that the pilot can make his/her own judgement on the visibility if the visibility is missing from the report.... For part 135, I'm sure this is different. In 135.255 it says that weather conditions must be reported to be above the IFR minimums, so if the visibility is missing, you can't operate at all at the airport in IFR...

February 24th, 2007, 01:39	#18
Flysher Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: LCK Posts: 451	Re: Airnet questions No inside joke, the vis was actually missing that night. The tower controllers were providing the RVR for inbound flights though so that took care of the requirement for wx reporting. crazy night, at least you guys didnt have to sort in AGC on Tuesday!! Talk about a huge mess!!!!

February 24th, 2007, 01:44	#19
Stone Cold Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SE US & Kiev Posts: 3,084	Re: Airnet questions I heard about it. As far as visibility missing, there are two ways around it. One, if there is a certified weather observer, or something to that effect, or, as noted above, with RVR's, are the only way to get in legally. That's all I'll say about the inside joke. You'll have to provide a lot of beer for that one to be told.

February 24th, 2007, 11:41	#20
Mattio Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston Posts: 105	Re: Airnet questions I'll have to send you a case of molson... or sam adams, quality beers

February 24th, 2007, 11:54	#21
mikecweb Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 2,952	Re: Airnet questions Yeah I guess I lucked out this week 0 approaches! Better get a few soon I got my reccurrent next week. __________________

February 24th, 2007, 18:16	#23
Mattio Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston Posts: 105	Re: Airnet questions hahaha, awesome

March 9th, 2007, 00:20	#24
Pirate Parrot Newbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1	Re: Airnet questions So how are things in AGC these days I used to work out of there years ago.... sounds like the sort is still fun.

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