When to log an approach

newty · January 4th, 2007, 23:53

I ask this question of my fellow freight dogs but I reckon anyone can chime in. When do log an approach in your book? Many times I break out well before mins do you log it? I have generally been following this rule; if I am IMC inside the FAF then I log it as an approach. Just wondering what the rest of you do. Are you AMFers enjoying the Lovely weather we had in SLC today!?!

Dugie8 · January 5th, 2007, 00:12

The FAA has the stance of logging approaches for currency, the approach must be flown in its entirety to the DA/MDA in either actual or simulated instrument conditions.

The kicker here is there is no real definition for "simulated" instrument conditions.

Texasspilot · January 5th, 2007, 00:59

If i fly the approach through the FAF IMC then I log it.

averyrm · January 5th, 2007, 07:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dugie8

The FAA has the stance of logging approaches for currency, the approach must be flown in its entirety to the DA/MDA in either actual or simulated instrument conditions.

The kicker here is there is no real definition for "simulated" instrument conditions.

I'm 90% sure the FAA had that stance but has since changed it to the whole in IMC after the FAF. I could be wrong though, it happened once.

averyrm · January 5th, 2007, 07:36

Annnnnnd here it is:

http://www.rodmachado.com/Articles/L...light_Time.htm

Read question/ answer #4

Dugie8 · January 5th, 2007, 12:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by averyrm

Annnnnnd here it is:

http://www.rodmachado.com/Articles/L...light_Time.htm

Read question/ answer #4

Excellent. Nice find. I will have to look for the letter I read that stated the opposite and see what the date was. Wouldn't be the first time the FAA has talked out of both sides of its arse..

EatSleepFly · January 5th, 2007, 18:47

I do the same as you, only log an approach if it's IMC inside the FAF.

Quote:

Originally Posted by newty

Are you AMFers enjoying the Lovely weather we had in SLC today!?!

All the fun stopped before most of us got there, I think. I got in on a visual around 1930 or so.

I didn't particularly enjoy my 50 different microvectors, being turned 105 deg. off course for "spacing" and cruising along in slow flight courtesy of SLC approach. Especially with the turbulence coming down the Bearr 4, I haven't gotten beat up that continuously in awhile.

How are you liking the new gig? Have you been over at UPS every morning? Which run?

newty · January 5th, 2007, 20:33

Hey ESF
I have been at th ups ramp most mornings. I'm the tall bearded ugly guy. I do salmon or sun valley now that peak is over or I run backup for whatever you guys can take. I came into slc yesterday morning after going to IDA. Got vectored for ILS 34r then just abeam the airport I get "turn left heading 090 Im gonna keep tou in a box herre tell we find you a spot?" So I am in a vector hold over the airport at 12000 for about 15 min. I am packing on the rime and I make control aware of this fact to which I am told another 15 minutes. I do that 15 and ask again "another 15 maybe 20 could be 25" At this point I am picking up more Ice than I can carry. Provo is reporting better than 5 and 5 so I diverted to provo then they had a gound stop in slc and my "short day" didn't end until 1700.

EatSleepFly · January 6th, 2007, 14:21

Oh hey, that was me that you backed up to Twin Falls yesterday! I'll be doing IDA next week.

newty · January 6th, 2007, 18:02

i'm sitting in IDA right now. Hopefully leaving in about an hour. See you On monday I suppose. I am back up mon tues then SUN Valley on wed thurs fri then Ida on sat again.

citabriapilot · January 7th, 2007, 10:14

Were you the one who flew the PA31 into IDA last week with those two big boxes? If so, I was the AMF'er who chatted with you a bit, although no longer based in SLC.

EatSleepFly · January 7th, 2007, 12:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by citabriapilot

although no longer based in SLC.

Sellout!

tinman · January 7th, 2007, 17:08

newty · January 8th, 2007, 00:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by citabriapilot

Were you the one who flew the PA31 into IDA last week with those two big boxes? If so, I was the AMF'er who chatted with you a bit, although no longer based in SLC.

Yup that was me. That was the day that I got stuck in provo going home. Should have hung out in Ida till later that night. Anyway it was nice to meet you. Where are you based now?

January 4th, 2007, 23:53	#1
newty Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: mapleton utah Posts: 209	When to log an approach I ask this question of my fellow freight dogs but I reckon anyone can chime in. When do log an approach in your book? Many times I break out well before mins do you log it? I have generally been following this rule; if I am IMC inside the FAF then I log it as an approach. Just wondering what the rest of you do. Are you AMFers enjoying the Lovely weather we had in SLC today!?! __________________ "Once he told me why, he said we all have to fly someday." neil young

January 5th, 2007, 00:12	#2
Dugie8 Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: KRST Posts: 1,819	Re: When to log an approach The FAA has the stance of logging approaches for currency, the approach must be flown in its entirety to the DA/MDA in either actual or simulated instrument conditions. The kicker here is there is no real definition for "simulated" instrument conditions. __________________ Aircraft without engine(s) prohibited... -KMIA 10-9

January 5th, 2007, 00:59	#3
Texasspilot Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,080	Re: When to log an approach If i fly the approach through the FAF IMC then I log it.

January 5th, 2007, 07:36	#5
averyrm Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: LCK Posts: 1,654	Re: When to log an approach Annnnnnd here it is: http://www.rodmachado.com/Articles/L...light_Time.htm Read question/ answer #4 __________________ <-- That guy with Belushi as his avitar

January 5th, 2007, 20:33	#8
newty Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: mapleton utah Posts: 209	Re: When to log an approach Hey ESF I have been at th ups ramp most mornings. I'm the tall bearded ugly guy. I do salmon or sun valley now that peak is over or I run backup for whatever you guys can take. I came into slc yesterday morning after going to IDA. Got vectored for ILS 34r then just abeam the airport I get "turn left heading 090 Im gonna keep tou in a box herre tell we find you a spot?" So I am in a vector hold over the airport at 12000 for about 15 min. I am packing on the rime and I make control aware of this fact to which I am told another 15 minutes. I do that 15 and ask again "another 15 maybe 20 could be 25" At this point I am picking up more Ice than I can carry. Provo is reporting better than 5 and 5 so I diverted to provo then they had a gound stop in slc and my "short day" didn't end until 1700. __________________ "Once he told me why, he said we all have to fly someday." neil young

January 6th, 2007, 14:21	#9
EatSleepFly Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ?? Posts: 4,600	Re: When to log an approach Oh hey, that was me that you backed up to Twin Falls yesterday! I'll be doing IDA next week.

January 6th, 2007, 18:02	#10
newty Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: mapleton utah Posts: 209	Re: When to log an approach i'm sitting in IDA right now. Hopefully leaving in about an hour. See you On monday I suppose. I am back up mon tues then SUN Valley on wed thurs fri then Ida on sat again. __________________ "Once he told me why, he said we all have to fly someday." neil young

January 7th, 2007, 10:14	#11
citabriapilot Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 125	Re: When to log an approach Were you the one who flew the PA31 into IDA last week with those two big boxes? If so, I was the AMF'er who chatted with you a bit, although no longer based in SLC.

January 7th, 2007, 17:08	#13
tinman Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Idaho Posts: 181	Re: When to log an approach

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