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March 17th, 2006, 03:54
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 |  Any Jet USA guys?
anyone?
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March 17th, 2006, 06:00
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Not familiar with them, but my sim partner worked at USA Jet. Are you by chance referring to them? I know a bit about them from what he told me - schedules, pay, QOL, etc. http://www.activeaero.com/index.cfm?...tion=Home.main |
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March 17th, 2006, 13:40
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yes yes that one. fly dc9s
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March 17th, 2006, 15:23
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Doug, please forgive me, but I'm gonna mention flightinfo.com... There are a number of USA Jet pilots over there, including the outspoken pilotyip. I believe there is some fairly current info on the cargo forum there. However, it sounds like wheelsup may able to help you out so you can stay here at JC.  |
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March 17th, 2006, 18:50
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They are a DA-20 (Falcon 20) and DC-9 Cargo and pax charter op. The newhires go into the DA-20. You are on a 20 MINUTE callout. Yes, you read that correctly. If you don't get to the airport within 20 minutes you DON'T GET PAID for that trip (even if you end up flying). You get 10 days off a month, and for 20 days you are on a 20 minute callout. You can "sell" your days off at $XXX (I don't know what the amount is) to be on call those days. Pay is a min salary (like guarantee) and mileage based when on trips (if I remember correctly). Something like $0.10 per mile or whatever it is. I believe he was making around $2700 or something per month base salary. He flew about 50 hours in 6 months - hence why he quit and came to a regional (to fly and build time). The "transition" to the DC-9 is around 15 months (when he left). That is to the FO seat, not as a CA. Upgrade to the left seat in the DA-20 WAS 2 years, I don't know what the upgrade in the -9 was (he never mentioned it) but I presume fairly long. The DA-20's are freight, the DC-9's are freight and pax. They do a lot of charter for the US auto industry (which is why they are based in detriot). He told me lots of stories about "bribes" and such down in mexico. Some of the stories were scary (like deathly scary from the places he was at). I guess you get used to it though. Imagine getting a call at 3AM, waking up, getting a shower, putting on clothes, shaving, brushing teeth, etc. and out the door in 15 minutes for the 5 minute drive to the airport. If you can do that, you could work there. I know I couldn't... | |
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March 17th, 2006, 22:42
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March 17th, 2006, 22:47
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Quote: Originally Posted by wheelsup Imagine getting a call at 3AM, waking up, getting a shower, putting on clothes, shaving, brushing teeth, etc. and out the door in 15 minutes for the 5 minute drive to the airport. If you can do that, you could work there. I know I couldn't... Quote:
 btw Lloyd, how come you're not out celebrating your irish heritage? 
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March 17th, 2006, 22:54
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I decided instead to bring the beer home and drink it. I've been waiting for Dr. Who for months!!! 
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March 18th, 2006, 05:38
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"If you don't get to the airport within 20 minutes you DON'T GET PAID for that trip (even if you end up flying)" I can't believe that's legal. Gotta be against some labor law. Could you confirm that for me? |
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March 18th, 2006, 11:54
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I think your friend was talking himself out of it by making it sound worse than it is. The pay figure looks low, and upgrade times in the Falcon have been known to be quicker. If I wanted to move back east and fly this kind of freight (and go back on a pager), USA Jet would probably be my first choice. It is probably one of the better on-demand cargo operators to work for. It's not for the faint of heart or the regional wannabe crowd, though, that is for sure. | ||
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March 19th, 2006, 23:01
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March 20th, 2006, 01:04
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And eatsleep, as far as pay/QOL/flying, that's the way it was. He left because he had NOWHERE near the mins (and when he went there he had 2600TT, 600+ multi, previous freight dog) to upgrade in the DA-20 because he wasn't flying, and at the rate he was going he wouldn't of upgraded for a long time. He liked the gig, we was getting paid to sit at home, but he couldn't have a life for 20 days. | |
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March 20th, 2006, 01:46
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"If you don't get to the airport within 20 minutes you DON'T GET PAID for that trip (even if you end up flying)" They can't make you fly and not pay you. That's what I'm saying. Not the same as missing a reserve callout. What if you had a one hour call but still made the flight? Would you expect to get paid or could they make you fly for free because you didn't make your callout? |
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March 20th, 2006, 02:50
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i'm about 2 shiner bocks away from googling da-20 to figure out what the hell it is. there are always usajet dc9s out at gky (i got to land and take off behind one ... coooool) shiner sundayyy
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March 20th, 2006, 03:34
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"da-20 to figure out what the hell it is" It's a little tiny jet plane, otherwise known as a Falcon, or Falcon Jet, or Falcon 10 or 20. They were built in France, which is a surprise considereing how long they have lasted. Little known fact, Fedex got started with a handful of Falcon 20's with cargo doors. It's an urban legend that things were so bad at one time that the pilots paid for the gas with their credit cards to keep it going. I bet the Falcon's with cargo doors at USA jet used to be the Fedex birds. Kinda doubt USA jet will turn into the next Fedex, though. |
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March 20th, 2006, 04:19
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ran out of shiner before i could google. im familiar with falcons! wellp if im ever bored up at kgky i'll tick down the tailnumbers on those dc9s and google them when im shinering it and see what i get. in other news, i always used to watch airborne express 767s land at love field, and i looked at apc's pay scales and they show that abx has the best payrates out of any airline. I just this instant put together that abx= airborneXpress. BRILLIANT!
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March 20th, 2006, 09:52
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March 20th, 2006, 10:20
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DA-20 DAssualt-10/20 I believe Fed-Ex used the Falcon 50 when they started out, I don't know if they still use them or not, I would think they don't.
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March 20th, 2006, 12:18
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March 20th, 2006, 12:58
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oh, I see. I thought they used the 50s before. Thanks, I didn't have time to look it up.
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March 20th, 2006, 14:46
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I believe fedex still has a falcon of some sorts flying around for execs.
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March 20th, 2006, 17:27
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March 20th, 2006, 22:05
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I would like to read up on how they got started. I'll post anything good that comes up. Should be interesting.
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March 22nd, 2006, 05:52
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One of the Discovery channels or History channel did a show on Fedex and the FA-20. It was pretty good telling how they went from the small carrier to what it is now and how much the MEM place has grown. During the show Dassault demostrated the -20 on dirt strips. Pretty cool and unusal
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March 29th, 2006, 23:59
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I actually had a long conversation with a Jet USA Falcon capt. and FO in the break room at the airport FBO the other day. They fly the Falcons and DC-9's into Arlington a lot. The captain has been working there for 2 years and upgraded after 1 year. He says that the short upgrade was luck because a bunch of more senior pilots had already bid for FO on the DC-9 and were seat locked. He says that the work has been better this year compared to last year. He did describe the waiting around for 7 days while Jet USA is looking for a client, with 30-40 minutes to get to the airport last year, playing PSP in the hotel room. He did not say anything about not getting paid if you were late, but that if you do your job that corporate won't bother you. Apparently that doesn't happen much anymore to him this year. The Falcon pilots are usually responsible for loading and unloading the cargo. What he doesn't like about the Falcon is the dirty engine covers that they have to put on. Currently it is a 55 hour guarantee and he would like to go on to the DC-9 because then he would be bringing in about $45k a year. He said that most pilots of the DC-9 go way over the minimum so get paid more. Hope this info is helpful. I doubt I will be applying there myself. |
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