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Old June 11th, 2005, 22:41   #1
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Default Update from Airnet training...

Okay, so I'm finally getting off my duff and updating everybody on training. I'll try to give some details on stuff, but don't want to bore anybody either, so this might be a little long!

I've been here for almost 3 full weeks now. The first week and a half are all indoc, regs, HAZMAT, etc. and very long but definitely eye-opening. We took our indoc test (I did decent on it, so I was happy), then you get the Baron books after your test. They go over the main items on the Baron and you have your baron written the next day. Their reasoning for this quick turn-around is they want you to learn how to study for aircraft-specific items (Part 23 airplanes, anyways) in a short time. If we get something other than the Baron (Navajo or 310), we'll have 1 day of ground, 1-2 flights in the a/c then checkride, so they want you to know how to prepare for the future tests.

After we learned the airplane, we were headed off to the Frascas. We have 2 Frascas and used them to their full potential during our off time. Our first flight in the sim was on a Friday, then we had the weekend to practice to our heart's content and feel really comfortable with the profiles, Baron numbers, and the sim. 1-2 more flights in the sim with the instructor and we had our stage checks in the sim. It went well overall...glad we prepared over the weekend, though, and beat each other up in there since it's an extremely fast-paced session. All maneuvers, while in a 10 mile leg hold; 4 approaches, 2 non-precision (1 PP), 2 precision (1 SE), and land all in 1 hour total with no repositioning, freezing the sim, etc.

We have had a couple flights in the Baron now. It's an awesome airplane!!! It's very fast-paced, though, and very slick coming down so you have to plan ahead on the approaches to fly the profiles and the settings the company wants. We have had a 3 day weekend so we can sit in the a/c and sim and prepare. We will probably have our checkrides on Tuesday, then it's to IOE and the line.

Our schedule during the first 2 weeks was from Noon until Midnight, then the Monday of sims we started in on the 8PM to 6AM schedule. We've been keeping that schedule, even on weekends since it would be painful at this time to change the schedule. If we end up in the Caravan, we'll go to Wichita for a week of "suck, squeeze, bang, blow" school and go to IOE from there. I still have no clue where our potential bases are, but we'll find out after our checkride. Our base and run will determine what we end up qualified in.

As far as the staff here, everybody has been absolutely awesome. The CEO has been in to our class a couple of times, everybody is on a first-name basis here, CEO on down, and everybody seems to enjoy it. There might be a few moans and groans, and lots of talk about how we're changing due to Check 21, but I'll tell you right now we still have a TON of checks going through there. They're still hiring pilots, still upgrading into the Lear in 12-15 months, depending on how picky you are with your run, and still flying the line, along with recognizing they are in a state of change. They are also flying a lot of medical and other "stuff" around.

If you are looking at Airnet, it still seems to be a great company, with excellent benefits, more than most "average regional F/Os" will make (most people make around $30K+/year to start here). Base pay is just under $23K. We are guaranteed $111/day minimum. Yes, there is a year training agreement, but, for me, it was worth it just with the training. I may hate it on line, but right now, I am a happy camper. On average, we work Mon-Thurs nights. Some routes have Fridays, or you could be a "floater" pilot and have an 8/6 schedule. I am personally hoping to be a floater, but not sure if there are going to be any openings.

Well, that's enough of me being a "company man". I'll try to update later on, but it's back to studying now. Take care and good luck to all!

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Old June 12th, 2005, 01:31   #2
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Great! Keep us informed. I love reading this stuff.
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Old June 12th, 2005, 17:28   #3
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Hey, I might have seen you there then, I was touring the place on Tuesday the 31st. Grade A operation, hopefully I'll be there by the end of the year.
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Old June 12th, 2005, 19:46   #4
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Do they use BE-55's or BE-58's, or both? What speeds do you shoot the approaches at?

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Old June 12th, 2005, 22:46   #5
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We use BE-58's, and the approaches eventually fall into Cat B (<120) but we start them at higher speeds. We must be stabilized at DH at 100 Kts, so it's a continual reduction in airspeed.
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Old June 13th, 2005, 00:29   #6
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Sounds great! Thank you for taking the time from studying to post. I love reading this stuff!
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Old June 13th, 2005, 01:00   #7
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We use BE-58's, and the approaches eventually fall into Cat B (<120) but we start them at higher speeds. We must be stabilized at DH at 100 Kts, so it's a continual reduction in airspeed.

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Thanks. We shoot them at 130 outside the FAF and 110 inside the FAF. With Density Altitudes over 6500' at field elevation it can get a bit dicey single engine at altitude. Do you guys leave your gear up until on the downwind/base if you're doing a circle (SE)?

I'm wondering what's done in the 'real' world as opposed to our training environment.

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Old June 13th, 2005, 01:05   #8
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Nice thread! I am really thinking about AirNet pretty hard.. I'm not so sure about the 1 year contract but I think I'd be down for it.. Sounds like good time..
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Old June 13th, 2005, 01:55   #9
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A year really isn't that long in the grand scheme of things. What's the rush? What else are you going to do, go straight to a regional and fly an RJ for the rest of your life? That'd get boring too after a couple years, I would think.


Glad to hear it's going well for you Tx! Good luck with your checkride, let me know how it goes and what base you get!

Here's a question for you, along the lines of Tram's comment above:

How many people leave AirNet to go to regionals? I would guess not too many, but maybe I'm wrong. Or I guess a better question is...is there a particular segment of the industry that a majority goes to? Airlines, larger freight, corporate? Just wondering.
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Old June 13th, 2005, 03:31   #10
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ESF,

I think most people here are avoiding the regionals, and with upgrades about 1 year into the Lears quite a few are sticking around. There are some that want to wear the "cool pilots uniform" and go regionals, Chataqua (sp?) is supposedly Airnet South, Netjets is supposedly Airnet north, and there are some lifers here. Some are trying to get on with UPS, FedEx, SWA, but it varies. We also have a charter side of the house, and some are trying to get that, but then you have to dress up . Quite a few like the schedule of nights and the freedom flying at night gives you so they're looking at staying freight where the cargo doesn't gripe about intercepting the ILS over the marker!

As far as the year contract, everybody has to decide for yourself, but for me, so far, it was definitely worth it. You can avoid the contract and upgrade into the Baron, or similar twin with the other companies, or you can fly a Baron, Navajo, 310, or Caravan right off the bat and sign up for a year.

Good luck to all and I'll try to keep ya'll updated. I'm just taking a break from studying and figured I'd see what's going on here.

TX
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Old June 13th, 2005, 11:29   #11
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Default Re: Update from Airnet training...

Yeh, I'm not too worried about the year contract, it's just something to think about, I like having my options available..

I def. do not want to fly RJ's for the rest of my life..
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Old June 13th, 2005, 13:51   #12
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Thanks. We shoot them at 130 outside the FAF and 110 inside the FAF. With Density Altitudes over 6500' at field elevation it can get a bit dicey single engine at altitude. Do you guys leave your gear up until on the downwind/base if you're doing a circle (SE)?

I'm wondering what's done in the 'real' world as opposed to our training environment.

~wheelsup

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From my Airnet days.....i remember flying approaches at 152 kts at the marker ..common atc call in TEB "Starcheck 143 start to slow please you have 40 knots on that G-V" ...little different shooting approaches in the ERJ at slower speeds....
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Old June 13th, 2005, 17:20   #13
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Starcheck,

Yep, slow to flap extension/gear extension speed by the marker.

Who are you flying the ERJ for? Just curious as to where Airnet people ended up from here.

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Old June 13th, 2005, 23:56   #14
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Starcheck,

Who are you flying the ERJ for? Just curious as to where Airnet people ended up from here.

TX

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COEX.......
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Old June 14th, 2005, 00:12   #15
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Does anybody know how senior the west coast bases are on the lear?
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Old June 14th, 2005, 06:50   #16
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It's pretty senior, considering it's all Learjets out there. No props out West, sorry, at least according to our web site and from what I've heard.

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Old June 14th, 2005, 16:00   #17
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Great to hear it's going well. Keep us updated. Exciting times!!! I let everyone know at Horizon you got the gig. Didn't think you'd mind.
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Old June 16th, 2005, 08:53   #18
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I passed my checkride !!!! I had an IOE flight last night...Show time of 1730 LCK DAY BKL FWA LCK and done by 2300. I was supposed to have another flight at 1AM getting back at 0345 but after the captain and I talked about it and the very real possibility of me being stuck in CLE for the night, we decided it wasn't worth it for me to get stuck. He always has a full load out of CLE and I would've been bumped. So, more IOE tonight, which is a different route and goes from 1745 to 0350.

I still don't know my base...we are trying to figure that out, but I'll keep ya'll updated as I can.

Braid,

Thanks, and nope I don't mind at all. Keep me up to date on how they're doing. I'll try to give you a call sometime soon. Did you ever get a new cell phone? PM me if you have one.


Well, it's 0800 and bedtime but I'll try to visit here every once in a while.

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Old June 16th, 2005, 09:07   #19
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Congrats!

We probably crossed paths sometime last night. I was enroute to Indy around 2030 to pick up frieght.

T'was a long night. Just got back a little while ago and am having my leftover pizza and beer for breakfast (not kidding ). I'm sure we'll be sharing the sky again tonight...I go back on call at 1800.

Have a good flight tonight!
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Hey txpilot, another update? Some early experiences on the line?
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Old June 27th, 2005, 23:43   #21
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I'm on the run leaving BKL (Cleveland) right now and quick turns the rest of the night, but I'll try to get some updates early tomorrow AM.

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Old June 27th, 2005, 23:59   #22
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I'm on the run leaving BKL (Cleveland) right now and quick turns the rest of the night, but I'll try to get some updates early tomorrow AM.

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Old June 28th, 2005, 08:51   #23
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LOL!

That airport has been a mess for the last week or so. I'll be glad to see it back to normal.

I've been flying from LCK-IND-BKL-AGC-LCK-LUK-LCK for a little over a week, getting some IOE, and now I am awaiting training for a "floater" position in Burmingham, AL. While waiting, I am basically acting as a floater here in Columbus, doing that run. I am flying that run tonight, tomorrow, and next week, then training and eventually moving down to Bama. For those not fluent in the identifiers, that equates to Columbus, OH to Indianapolis, IN, Burke Lakefront (Cleveland), Allegheny County, PA, Columbus, Lunken, OH (Cincinatti sp?), then back to Columbus. This morning, I had to go back to LUK, then back home, on top of all that. 6.5 hours ME PIC in the logbook.

I am still keeping my fingers crossed for a different floater run, since the Burmingham one has a 5 on, 2 off schedule, and all the other floaters have an 8/6 schedule. It's all about the QOL, now, right?

Flying the line has been great. The weather has been very nice, a couple of TS en-route last night, but nothing major. I still haven't flown anything but visuals, but I know my time is coming soon.

I did hear a Delta getting questioned by Center last night...the conversation went something like this:

DL: Center, Delta requesting a deviation to the left for weather.

Center: That will take you right into the center of that stuff, but that's approved.

DL: Well, since you probably have a better picture of this stuff, can you stear us clear of this?

Center: You're right in the center of it. Anything you need is approved. I wouldn't have went that way in the first place.

And then silence. It's not verbatim, but you get the picture.

Well, enough for now. I'll try to keep posting every once in a while, but between this schedule and flying back to Jax on the weekends, time is limited. Take care...time for a beer and dinner.

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Old July 2nd, 2005, 22:11   #24
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Airnet is aggressively for sale - mostly because post-Check 21 there is no way they can be profitable. Get their latest annual report before you jump.

It may be a great place if it lasts long enough for you get what you want, but depending on who buys them and for what purpose - maybe not.
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Old July 3rd, 2005, 22:46   #25
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I will not respond to this crap. Go back to Flightinfo.com. Thanks for the positives. JA

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PS and yes I am well aware of what is going on all around this industry!!!!
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