Another CFI Update

Baronman · July 23rd, 2002, 16:31

I've recieved information that another single engine stan class will be starting at the very end of July...(Sometime around now no?). Anyway, I believe their are 8 people in the class so let's take a collective sigh (ahhhh) and move 8 steps forward!! woo hoo!

*If anyone has any info to support this I'd appreciate it. I haven't heard much about it but I'm not in Vero anymore so it's tough to get details....

Heat2151 · July 23rd, 2002, 18:53

Hey Baronman,

If these 8 move up, it sounds like soon your in business. 3 steps forward and 1 step back. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

Best Regards,
Heat2151

chunk75 · July 23rd, 2002, 20:58

I hear it took something like 17 phone calls to get 8 for the class. Even if that's not true, you know the number had to at least be 10-12 off the list.

Good Luck. Maybe we'll all see you soon.

Chunk

ThreeGreen123 · July 23rd, 2002, 21:05

Yes, they are continuing stan. Another class thru soon...problem is everyone is flying like dog doo, a bunch of people are busting flights and frascas in the current SE stan. So I don't know if the next class will start on time. I would recommend if anyone is starting stan soon to get out and fly, cause rumor has it the patience with people in stan is very low right now. Practice up yo's!

FreeWillie · July 23rd, 2002, 22:33

That's actually not very fair if they are loosing patience with the people that stuck it out 4 to 6 months. Especially after running up a tab of 50K then sitting around waiting almost half a year. Most people would be rusty. Plus I'd guess that the loan payments are just about due and I'd think most wouldn't be able to afford much flying.

Just a thought.

Heat2151 · July 24th, 2002, 00:50

On a positive note, at least there's moblity, and a class is starting. I'll take that in a heartbeat, considering the way things where a few weeks ago. But if they move these (8) and another group after that, how will it be before they are line ready.?

Rain or shine I'll see you guy's in September. Hey Chunk, How's your progress coming along.?

Best Regards,
Heat2151

d_gelling · July 24th, 2002, 06:23

You are going to make the September date? That's good news

chunk75 · July 24th, 2002, 07:29

I stuck in the dusty desert they call Step 2. I'm making good progress, but not as fast as I'd like. A few weather cancellations....etc. etc. I'm mad at myself for not pushing myself. I could be farther ahead, but it's easier to take it easy....ya dig? Oh well...Had my first Frasca last week....oh how they suck! I did okay, but you can just tell that the Frasca time is going to be the least fun here. I am also doing Zlin (upset recovery aka spins, rolls, loops, etc.) I'm looking forward to that a good deal.

Chunk

FSI2ASA · July 24th, 2002, 16:15

Step 2 does drag on. But, at least you're not sharing the front with your instructor. Believe me, when you both are sweating like mad you'll miss the good old days of being alone.

Frasca trainer is really dull, but I learned a ton from it.

Baronman · July 24th, 2002, 16:35

Yeah, I ended up liking the Frasca.....It's a good tool, I have a hint for you guys practicing engine out...Remeber, you want to keep the ball on the inclinometer about half way out. If you stomp down on the rudder pedal like you do in the plane you'll be adding a ton of drag in the Frasca and not being able to keep altitude.

Happy Frasca sessions!

John_Doe · July 24th, 2002, 18:57

I just got back from my last Frasca session. I have my 'get hired ride' tomorrow.

Tonight was interesting. NDB approach, lost the right engine, vacuum failure on the left, gear failure inside FAF. What to do? The horror.....the horror......

Let's drain the swimming pool of instructors!

Heat2151 · July 24th, 2002, 19:19

d_gelling,

I just got the green light from my doctor, and he said that I will be about 85% to 90% ready by the time I'll start flying. In case anyone's wondering, I just had surgery and working on my recovery. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img] If I could impart any advise to you guys, please stay healthy, it's frustrating when your med-down.

TG123,

If some these students, are busting their flights and frascas training for their SE Stan class, if they wash-out on these checkrides, how soon will the school grant re-current training to get them back to standards.?

Frascas training is generaly used for Instrument training, nomaly how may hours are spent during this session.

Best Regards,
Heat2151

ThreeGreen123 · July 24th, 2002, 22:03

Well, there is no such thing as "recurrent training", you rent on your own (at employee rates) and get yourself up to standard before you start....usually with the help of a friend who is probably in stan too. You have 3 attempts to pass each individual stan event, I think for SE its 2 flights, 2 frascas, and a brief or something. You go up twice with a stan pilot, and if you do not pass either of those you go with the chief instructor. Technically, if you do not pass with him, you are relieved of your opportunity to work here. Now...that said....you almost always pass on the 3rd try. He is cool about stuff. There are some people that REALLY struggle in stan, take a month or 2 to get thru, but thats fairly rare. And people get relieved of their job, but, thats pretty rare too. I'd say 1 in 15 or 20. Right now they are a little less patient, because people are coming in unprepared, I think thats whats pissing them off. But, its like everything....people will say its real hard, and it is hard, but if you are prepared its no big deal.

pavelump · July 25th, 2002, 22:38

sorry if I sound like a dummy, but what's "stan"?

Dave

Baronman · July 26th, 2002, 05:55

Stan meaning Standardization Class....At FSI as well as many other flight schools before they give you any students they expect you to learn all the maneuvers and information "Their Way." This way every instructor at an institution teaches a chandelle the same way thus avioding the, "Well my old instructor taught me like this..." So at FSI right now their is a backlog of hired instructors waitining to take the last step before they get students and that is Stan Class, it consists of ground school as well as 2-4 flights and some Frasca time...Hope I helped.

Heat2151 · July 26th, 2002, 07:26

So what's the IP back log at now.? A couple of weeks ago, it was at 60.

Best Regards,
Heat2151

pavelump · July 26th, 2002, 15:24

thanks, that clears it up!

Dave

ready2fly · July 30th, 2002, 13:31

</font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr />
sorry if I sound like a dummy, but what's "stan"?

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, STAN is me. 6'3", 210(ish) and ALLLLLLLL MAN!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

Oh -wait - I see that's been answered. I'll excuse myself.

Stan
a/k/a r2f

July 23rd, 2002, 16:31	#1
Baronman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NEWARK Posts: 1,078	Another CFI Update I've recieved information that another single engine stan class will be starting at the very end of July...(Sometime around now no?). Anyway, I believe their are 8 people in the class so let's take a collective sigh (ahhhh) and move 8 steps forward!! woo hoo! *If anyone has any info to support this I'd appreciate it. I haven't heard much about it but I'm not in Vero anymore so it's tough to get details....

July 23rd, 2002, 18:53	#2
Heat2151 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NYC Posts: 163	Re: Another CFI Update Hey Baronman, If these 8 move up, it sounds like soon your in business. 3 steps forward and 1 step back. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img] Best Regards, Heat2151

July 23rd, 2002, 20:58	#3
chunk75 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: FL Posts: 922	Re: Another CFI Update I hear it took something like 17 phone calls to get 8 for the class. Even if that's not true, you know the number had to at least be 10-12 off the list. Good Luck. Maybe we'll all see you soon. Chunk

July 23rd, 2002, 21:05	#4
ThreeGreen123 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: VRB FL USA Posts: 58	Re: Another CFI Update Yes, they are continuing stan. Another class thru soon...problem is everyone is flying like dog doo, a bunch of people are busting flights and frascas in the current SE stan. So I don't know if the next class will start on time. I would recommend if anyone is starting stan soon to get out and fly, cause rumor has it the patience with people in stan is very low right now. Practice up yo's!

July 23rd, 2002, 22:33	#5
FreeWillie Newbie Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Francisco CA Posts: 26	Re: Another CFI Update That's actually not very fair if they are loosing patience with the people that stuck it out 4 to 6 months. Especially after running up a tab of 50K then sitting around waiting almost half a year. Most people would be rusty. Plus I'd guess that the loan payments are just about due and I'd think most wouldn't be able to afford much flying. Just a thought.

July 24th, 2002, 00:50	#6
Heat2151 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NYC Posts: 163	Re: Another CFI Update On a positive note, at least there's moblity, and a class is starting. I'll take that in a heartbeat, considering the way things where a few weeks ago. But if they move these (8) and another group after that, how will it be before they are line ready.? Rain or shine I'll see you guy's in September. Hey Chunk, How's your progress coming along.? Best Regards, Heat2151

July 24th, 2002, 06:23	#7
d_gelling Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 137	Re: Another CFI Update You are going to make the September date? That's good news

July 24th, 2002, 07:29	#8
chunk75 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: FL Posts: 922	Re: Another CFI Update I stuck in the dusty desert they call Step 2. I'm making good progress, but not as fast as I'd like. A few weather cancellations....etc. etc. I'm mad at myself for not pushing myself. I could be farther ahead, but it's easier to take it easy....ya dig? Oh well...Had my first Frasca last week....oh how they suck! I did okay, but you can just tell that the Frasca time is going to be the least fun here. I am also doing Zlin (upset recovery aka spins, rolls, loops, etc.) I'm looking forward to that a good deal. Chunk

July 24th, 2002, 16:15	#9
FSI2ASA Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Vero Beach Posts: 44	Re: Another CFI Update Step 2 does drag on. But, at least you're not sharing the front with your instructor. Believe me, when you both are sweating like mad you'll miss the good old days of being alone. Frasca trainer is really dull, but I learned a ton from it.

July 24th, 2002, 16:35	#10
Baronman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NEWARK Posts: 1,078	Re: Another CFI Update Yeah, I ended up liking the Frasca.....It's a good tool, I have a hint for you guys practicing engine out...Remeber, you want to keep the ball on the inclinometer about half way out. If you stomp down on the rudder pedal like you do in the plane you'll be adding a ton of drag in the Frasca and not being able to keep altitude. Happy Frasca sessions!

July 24th, 2002, 18:57	#11
John_Doe Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 41	Re: Another CFI Update I just got back from my last Frasca session. I have my 'get hired ride' tomorrow. Tonight was interesting. NDB approach, lost the right engine, vacuum failure on the left, gear failure inside FAF. What to do? The horror.....the horror...... Let's drain the swimming pool of instructors!

July 24th, 2002, 19:19	#12
Heat2151 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NYC Posts: 163	Re: Another CFI Update d_gelling, I just got the green light from my doctor, and he said that I will be about 85% to 90% ready by the time I'll start flying. In case anyone's wondering, I just had surgery and working on my recovery. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img] If I could impart any advise to you guys, please stay healthy, it's frustrating when your med-down. TG123, If some these students, are busting their flights and frascas training for their SE Stan class, if they wash-out on these checkrides, how soon will the school grant re-current training to get them back to standards.? Frascas training is generaly used for Instrument training, nomaly how may hours are spent during this session. Best Regards, Heat2151

July 24th, 2002, 22:03	#13
ThreeGreen123 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: VRB FL USA Posts: 58	Re: Another CFI Update Well, there is no such thing as "recurrent training", you rent on your own (at employee rates) and get yourself up to standard before you start....usually with the help of a friend who is probably in stan too. You have 3 attempts to pass each individual stan event, I think for SE its 2 flights, 2 frascas, and a brief or something. You go up twice with a stan pilot, and if you do not pass either of those you go with the chief instructor. Technically, if you do not pass with him, you are relieved of your opportunity to work here. Now...that said....you almost always pass on the 3rd try. He is cool about stuff. There are some people that REALLY struggle in stan, take a month or 2 to get thru, but thats fairly rare. And people get relieved of their job, but, thats pretty rare too. I'd say 1 in 15 or 20. Right now they are a little less patient, because people are coming in unprepared, I think thats whats pissing them off. But, its like everything....people will say its real hard, and it is hard, but if you are prepared its no big deal.

July 25th, 2002, 22:38	#14
pavelump Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 790	Re: Another CFI Update sorry if I sound like a dummy, but what's "stan"? Dave

July 26th, 2002, 05:55	#15
Baronman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NEWARK Posts: 1,078	Re: Another CFI Update Stan meaning Standardization Class....At FSI as well as many other flight schools before they give you any students they expect you to learn all the maneuvers and information "Their Way." This way every instructor at an institution teaches a chandelle the same way thus avioding the, "Well my old instructor taught me like this..." So at FSI right now their is a backlog of hired instructors waitining to take the last step before they get students and that is Stan Class, it consists of ground school as well as 2-4 flights and some Frasca time...Hope I helped.

July 26th, 2002, 07:26	#16
Heat2151 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NYC Posts: 163	Re: Another CFI Update So what's the IP back log at now.? A couple of weeks ago, it was at 60. Best Regards, Heat2151

July 26th, 2002, 15:24	#17
pavelump Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 790	Re: Another CFI Update thanks, that clears it up! Dave

July 30th, 2002, 13:31	#18
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,182	Re: Another CFI Update </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /> sorry if I sound like a dummy, but what's "stan"? [/ QUOTE ] Well, STAN is me. 6'3", 210(ish) and ALLLLLLLL MAN!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img] Oh -wait - I see that's been answered. I'll excuse myself. Stan a/k/a r2f

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