Please let me know about FSA.. - Page 2

Enthusiast78 · January 2nd, 2007, 23:27

Dear ananoman,
I am really appreciative of your advice very much!! I will follow your path. Can I find my roommates on this fourum, even though my conversation is not good? Anyway I will consider to buy bicycle for saving money. How long would it takes me by bicycle from apartment to FSA?

Thank you in advance

ananoman · January 3rd, 2007, 01:55

It all depends on how far away you live. I would try to stay as close as possible. I doubt you could find roommates on here, there are really not that many FSA people on here, but you never know. Sometimes people who have rooms to rent list them on a bulletin board in the Administration building (at least they used to).

Enthusiast78 · January 4th, 2007, 00:38

Thank you very much, Always bless with you~~

Enthusiast78 · January 9th, 2007, 06:03

Dear all,

I could get the information from FSA. Thanks all who gave me advice.

but I have another problem. In order to attend FSA, it is necessary to get the TOEFL score. I see, I can do whatever I can to attend FSA. But I don't have time to take a test. In Korea, all seats are already reserved until March. I have to leave for USA on March. Before leaving, I never get the score.

Can you all recommend another school which doesn't require TOEFL score as the best as FSA??

Price is important but training quality is more important. Please let me know the flight academy which train with the best quality and reasonable price. And The academy can issue the I-20 for foreigner.

Thank you,

ananoman · January 9th, 2007, 12:54

Requiring you to take the TOEFL is for your benefit. If you can't 'read, speak and understand' English, you can't get your pilot's license.

launchpad · January 9th, 2007, 14:19

Call FSA back and ask them if they're able to help you take the test here. If you're confident that you'll pass, then you should be able to take it here and begin your training shortly afterwards. I believe there are places that offer the test online also....someone there should know where you can take the test....good luck

Enthusiast78 · January 10th, 2007, 05:18

Thank you for your advice. I have a 810 TOEIC score. According to ETS designed TOEFL and TOEIC, my score can convert into a 570 TOEFL score which is over the limit of FSA. I contacted with representative of admissions again to ask him wheather my score instead of TOEFL score can apply to FSA admission process or not. As a result of it, I could get the negative response.

As you mentioned, I've realized it is very important to speak and listen in English, so I will always try to improve my English conversation skill.

But I have no time to wait to register TOEFL test.

If you know the school as good as FSA, Please let me know.

Thank you in advance.

DE727UPS · January 10th, 2007, 12:39

"If you know the school as good as FSA, Please let me know"

Give this place a try. They do a lot of foreign pilot training at an old bomber base in California. Also, there are is a forum for them at JC and flyguy works there.

http://www.sierraacademy.com/

Enthusiast78 · January 10th, 2007, 22:23

DE727UPS, Thank you very much!!

Unfortunately, Even in Korea, Sierra academy is notorious for unfair president. In addition, The some instructors and managers are biased against students. I heard from some people who were trained in Sierra that they focus on just money. I don't trust all of the story. But There may be the truth. Surely, The training is fairly good.

I am still waiting for help of expert on the field of the aviation academy....

Thank you,

CLR4ILS · January 14th, 2007, 22:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by DE727UPS

"If you know the school as good as FSA, Please let me know"

Give this place a try. They do a lot of foreign pilot training at an old bomber base in California. Also, there are is a forum for them at JC and flyguy works there.

http://www.sierraacademy.com/

Hey Don, I know you have it out for FSA but if you are going to recommend a school other than FSA, please try to recommend one that is at the same level. Apples to apples.... Sierra has has lots of issues in the past. I have not cruised their forum in awhile, but experience tells me that when a school has developed a bad rep, they usually do not shake it. Just look at Westwind...

Remember this guy?
http://www.sierraacademy.150m.com/sierra.html

ILS

DE727UPS · January 15th, 2007, 01:17

ILS, even current FSA guys see there are other routes to success that equal FSA. Do we have to go over all this again....

Personally, I'm not a fan of the big academy route so there is no point in naming names. I already mention that Flyguy is a CFI at Sierra's Atwater school. If enthusiast78 wants more info, he can PM him.

Enthusiast78 · January 15th, 2007, 02:10

Thank you ILS for link, his experience makes me keep awake.

I am absolutely not interested in Sierra Academy as I mentioned. How about Comair (Delta connection academy)? This school can accept the TOEIC score. Can the Comair is affordable to compare with FSA?

Kristie · January 15th, 2007, 12:12

Comair is not even comparable to FSA or any other flight school. we don't recommend them.

launchpad · January 15th, 2007, 17:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enthusiast78

Thank you ILS for link, his experience makes me keep awake.

I am absolutely not interested in Sierra Academy as I mentioned. How about Comair (Delta connection academy)? This school can accept the TOEIC score. Can the Comair is affordable to compare with FSA?

Try PanAm...they have a pretty good operation and have experience with foreign students

http://www.panamacademy.net/

Flysher · January 15th, 2007, 20:18

Quote:

Remember this guy?
http://www.sierraacademy.150m.com/sierra.html

Did the guy ever get his money back?

Enthusiast78 · January 15th, 2007, 21:07

Dear Kristie,

I'd like to know why you don't recommend comair to me. Could you explain what kinds of difference are there between comair and FSA?

Thank you Launchpad, I will try PAIFA.

Kristie · January 15th, 2007, 21:20

here's two DCA area's for you to read...

one is a forum we used to have on here specifically for DCA but it was removed and closed a few years ago. it's for reading purposes only, not posting....

http://www.jetcareers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=18

the other deals with DCA's tactics with this website.. makes for good reading, i suppose and is the main reason we no longer recommend DCA to anyone on this site.. however, it's your decision, your choice..we just don't recommend them as their tactics and marketing are VERY underhanded...We'd hate for anyone to lose money by doing their flight training here.

http://www.jetcareers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24790

more to the story.. many people have lost a ton of money to this company and not gained anything from it in return.. they've had bad customer service, over escalated prices and major turnover in both management and instructors in the past few years and they've literally tried to get this website shut down.

I can't tell you the differences between FSA and DCA...someone else will be able to fill you in on that firsthand information!

Enthusiast78 · January 15th, 2007, 22:12

I am impressed with your kindness and effort for me. I Really appreciate you. From your advice, I could absolutely limit the candidates to FSA and PAIFA.

Fly safely today~~

KMU · January 16th, 2007, 12:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enthusiast78

I am impressed with your kindness and effort for me. I Really appreciate you. From your advice, I could absolutely limit the candidates to FSA and PAIFA.

Fly safely today~~

As far as I know, PAIFA currently trains the cadets who've been selected as the prospective pilots of KAL. Why didn't you apply for that program? It could save your money and time. Also I think it's best and certain way to become a commercial pilot in Korea.

Enthusiast78 · January 16th, 2007, 20:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by KMU

As far as I know, PAIFA currently trains the cadets who've been selected as the prospective pilots of KAL. Why didn't you apply for that program? It could save your money and time. Also I think it's best and certain way to become a commercial pilot in Korea.

As I mentioned on the first page, KAL don't give an apportunity to be come the cadet sponsored by itself because of the twice strikes of pilot from cadet. The strikes made president and executives very angry and then the KAL is just hiring the co-pilot discharged from airforce. Currently, it started to employ the over 1k hrs experienced pilot.

Can I ask KMU you are a Korean? Your ID looks very familiar. If not, I appologize for my rashness.

KMU · January 17th, 2007, 00:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enthusiast78

As I mentioned on the first page, KAL don't give an apportunity to be come the cadet sponsored by itself because of the twice strikes of pilot from cadet. The strikes made president and executives very angry and then the KAL is just hiring the co-pilot discharged from airforce. Currently, it started to employ the over 1k hrs experienced pilot.

Can I ask KMU you are a Korean? Your ID looks very familiar. If not, I appologize for my rashness.

Does it look familiar to you? Have we met before? haha. I've made some quotes on yours that's why. Anyway, that's my initials.
I have seen some of Korean students currently came here and working hard to get their licenses so I'm very curious about your country's pilot recruiting system and stuff. I do know, but not that precisely, how the program works and what I was intended to ask you earlier is that didn't you ever apply for that cadets program? I assume that your age could meet the requisites. Maybe not.

Enthusiast78 · January 17th, 2007, 03:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by KMU

Does it look familiar to you? Have we met before? haha. I've made some quotes on yours that's why. Anyway, that's my initials.
I have seen some of Korean students currently came here and working hard to get their licenses so I'm very curious about your country's pilot recruiting system and stuff. I do know, but not that precisely, how the program works and what I was intended to ask you earlier is that didn't you ever apply for that cadets program? I assume that your age could meet the requisites. Maybe not.

I know well you inputted on my first thread. Why I looked your id familiar is that name initials of someone who is trained in Hillsboro Academy in Oregan is same as your id. Anyway I'm sorry for my misunderstanding.

Kristie · January 17th, 2007, 13:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by KMU

I do know, but not that precisely, how the program works and what I was intended to ask you earlier is that didn't you ever apply for that cadets program? I assume that your age could meet the requisites. Maybe not.

that's a good question!

so why haven't you applied to the cadet's program? do you not meet the requirements needed for that program? i wonder if the only way to get into that airline is through their cadet program?

being in their program would at least help you with finding a school and start the build up of total time would it not?

Enthusiast78 · January 17th, 2007, 21:40

Honestly, I applied the program. I passed through documentation, aptitude test including math, physics and common knowledge for pilot. And then I passed the flight device test, interview in English and medical check either. BUT I failed to win on the last step as interview with executives. Anyway, I try to think it was just the past and a good experience for me to fly. I don't look back and I will look forward my future as an airlines pilot.

Irish · January 18th, 2007, 03:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by NickH

Why JAA? Surely for South Korea (and anywhere outside Europe) FAA is the way to go.

Not really. Im training for my JAA starting this feb. Ill be doing my ppl and hour building at FSA for two months, but then come back to Ireland to get my commercial. (Takes 14 months altogether)
As far as I am aware, feel free to correct me if Im wrong, it costs around $25,000(est) to convert your FAA license to JAA if you wanna work europe. But its pretty much peanuts to go from your JAA to your FAA. They training is different on both ,standards are higher on the JAA.
I wanna work in the US earn some money on long haul...pay off those loans lol, but some day will also want to work in europe. So this was my reasoning to training here in Ireland over training for the full license in the us, even though initally it would be cheaper for me to train in the US.

January 2nd, 2007, 23:27	#26
Enthusiast78 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 32	Re: Please let me know about FSA.. Dear ananoman, I am really appreciative of your advice very much!! I will follow your path. Can I find my roommates on this fourum, even though my conversation is not good? Anyway I will consider to buy bicycle for saving money. How long would it takes me by bicycle from apartment to FSA? Thank you in advance

January 3rd, 2007, 01:55	#27
ananoman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 916	Re: Please let me know about FSA.. It all depends on how far away you live. I would try to stay as close as possible. I doubt you could find roommates on here, there are really not that many FSA people on here, but you never know. Sometimes people who have rooms to rent list them on a bulletin board in the Administration building (at least they used to). __________________ My observation is that those with an extreme knowledge deficit have a real hard time believing that anyone else knows something they don't. That's why the knowledge deficit never goes away. - tgrayson

January 4th, 2007, 00:38	#28
Enthusiast78 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 32	Re: Please let me know about FSA.. Thank you very much, Always bless with you~~

January 9th, 2007, 06:03	#29
Enthusiast78 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 32	Re: Please let me know about FSA.. Dear all, I could get the information from FSA. Thanks all who gave me advice. but I have another problem. In order to attend FSA, it is necessary to get the TOEFL score. I see, I can do whatever I can to attend FSA. But I don't have time to take a test. In Korea, all seats are already reserved until March. I have to leave for USA on March. Before leaving, I never get the score. Can you all recommend another school which doesn't require TOEFL score as the best as FSA?? Price is important but training quality is more important. Please let me know the flight academy which train with the best quality and reasonable price. And The academy can issue the I-20 for foreigner. Thank you,

January 9th, 2007, 12:54	#30
ananoman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 916	Re: Please let me know about FSA.. Requiring you to take the TOEFL is for your benefit. If you can't 'read, speak and understand' English, you can't get your pilot's license. __________________ My observation is that those with an extreme knowledge deficit have a real hard time believing that anyone else knows something they don't. That's why the knowledge deficit never goes away. - tgrayson

January 9th, 2007, 14:19	#31
launchpad Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 605	Re: Please let me know about FSA.. Call FSA back and ask them if they're able to help you take the test here. If you're confident that you'll pass, then you should be able to take it here and begin your training shortly afterwards. I believe there are places that offer the test online also....someone there should know where you can take the test....good luck

January 10th, 2007, 05:18	#32
Enthusiast78 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 32	Re: Please let me know about FSA.. Thank you for your advice. I have a 810 TOEIC score. According to ETS designed TOEFL and TOEIC, my score can convert into a 570 TOEFL score which is over the limit of FSA. I contacted with representative of admissions again to ask him wheather my score instead of TOEFL score can apply to FSA admission process or not. As a result of it, I could get the negative response. As you mentioned, I've realized it is very important to speak and listen in English, so I will always try to improve my English conversation skill. But I have no time to wait to register TOEFL test. If you know the school as good as FSA, Please let me know. Thank you in advance.

January 10th, 2007, 12:39	#33
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,578	Re: Please let me know about FSA.. "If you know the school as good as FSA, Please let me know" Give this place a try. They do a lot of foreign pilot training at an old bomber base in California. Also, there are is a forum for them at JC and flyguy works there. http://www.sierraacademy.com/

January 10th, 2007, 22:23	#34
Enthusiast78 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 32	Re: Please let me know about FSA.. DE727UPS, Thank you very much!! Unfortunately, Even in Korea, Sierra academy is notorious for unfair president. In addition, The some instructors and managers are biased against students. I heard from some people who were trained in Sierra that they focus on just money. I don't trust all of the story. But There may be the truth. Surely, The training is fairly good. I am still waiting for help of expert on the field of the aviation academy.... Thank you,

January 15th, 2007, 01:17	#36
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,578	Re: Please let me know about FSA.. ILS, even current FSA guys see there are other routes to success that equal FSA. Do we have to go over all this again.... Personally, I'm not a fan of the big academy route so there is no point in naming names. I already mention that Flyguy is a CFI at Sierra's Atwater school. If enthusiast78 wants more info, he can PM him.

January 15th, 2007, 02:10	#37
Enthusiast78 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 32	Re: Please let me know about FSA.. Thank you ILS for link, his experience makes me keep awake. I am absolutely not interested in Sierra Academy as I mentioned. How about Comair (Delta connection academy)? This school can accept the TOEIC score. Can the Comair is affordable to compare with FSA?

January 15th, 2007, 12:12	#38
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 19,294 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Please let me know about FSA.. Comair is not even comparable to FSA or any other flight school. we don't recommend them. __________________ Wife of a Delta B767 ER F/O jetgirls.net

January 15th, 2007, 21:07	#41
Enthusiast78 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 32	Re: Please let me know about FSA.. Dear Kristie, I'd like to know why you don't recommend comair to me. Could you explain what kinds of difference are there between comair and FSA? Thank you Launchpad, I will try PAIFA.

January 15th, 2007, 21:20	#42
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 19,294 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Please let me know about FSA.. here's two DCA area's for you to read... one is a forum we used to have on here specifically for DCA but it was removed and closed a few years ago. it's for reading purposes only, not posting.... http://www.jetcareers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=18 the other deals with DCA's tactics with this website.. makes for good reading, i suppose and is the main reason we no longer recommend DCA to anyone on this site.. however, it's your decision, your choice..we just don't recommend them as their tactics and marketing are VERY underhanded...We'd hate for anyone to lose money by doing their flight training here. http://www.jetcareers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24790 more to the story.. many people have lost a ton of money to this company and not gained anything from it in return.. they've had bad customer service, over escalated prices and major turnover in both management and instructors in the past few years and they've literally tried to get this website shut down. I can't tell you the differences between FSA and DCA...someone else will be able to fill you in on that firsthand information! __________________ Wife of a Delta B767 ER F/O jetgirls.net

January 15th, 2007, 22:12	#43
Enthusiast78 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 32	Re: Please let me know about FSA.. I am impressed with your kindness and effort for me. I Really appreciate you. From your advice, I could absolutely limit the candidates to FSA and PAIFA. Fly safely today~~

January 17th, 2007, 21:40	#49
Enthusiast78 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 32	Re: Please let me know about FSA.. Honestly, I applied the program. I passed through documentation, aptitude test including math, physics and common knowledge for pilot. And then I passed the flight device test, interview in English and medical check either. BUT I failed to win on the last step as interview with executives. Anyway, I try to think it was just the past and a good experience for me to fly. I don't look back and I will look forward my future as an airlines pilot.

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