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October 6th, 2006, 13:47
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|  Direct Track dead?
Hey guys, Anyone know what's up with the direct track program now that Pinnacle has decided to do their hiring freeze? FSA was placing a lot of hope on them. I hear TSA is coming down in late Oct, but isn't TSA an "iffy" regional to fly for? Just curious if anyone knows the scoop... |
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October 6th, 2006, 15:53
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October 6th, 2006, 16:14
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA
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Sounds like TSA is taking warm bodies. That would be perfect for direct track. Pinnacle has a deal with Jet U and ATP, so now the FSA has some competition, whenever they start hiring again. I guess a lot depends on NWA bankruptcy, the Mesaba contract, the Pinnacle contract, and what Compass turns out to be. How any of these academies can tout low time, direct entry, into Pinnacle, with a straight face, is beyond me... |
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October 6th, 2006, 18:19
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: DFW, based back in EWR, wishing I was in Maine
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It doesn't look like they have any agreement with Pinnacle anymore... http://www.flightsafetyacademy.com/c...escription.pdf But they are touting lower mins for XJT and Eagle than even ATP is. It also looks like no time requirements for TSA and ASA. Interesting. Bob
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October 6th, 2006, 18:49
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October 6th, 2006, 18:52
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Capt: Prolly cause ATP doesn't have a ERJ sim, maybe?
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October 6th, 2006, 18:55
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That's a shame about the Diamonds just sitting around... you'd think they'd find some use for them. edit: I just saw on their website where they will fly it to wherever you are to do an Instrument Profeciency Check??
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October 7th, 2006, 10:15
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October 7th, 2006, 13:13
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Skywest owns ASA but ASA still does it's own hiring, as far as I know. Not sure if they are hiring or not. I know they stopped for a while.
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October 7th, 2006, 14:16
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October 7th, 2006, 17:33
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You'd think some of the add-ons would use them more, but its not too shocking that they're not being used that much. The fact they have G1000 tells me that. Who uses single engines at ATP? PPL or add-ons (or for a little while to get SE Commercial). Its probably not a good idea to train a PPL in a G1000 plane and then go to an analog seminole, it messes up your scan if you start on glass, at lest in my opinion it does. And the Diamonds, are the DA40 certificated for IFR flight? I know DA20s aren't (no lightning-strike mesh in the composite construction), but if the DA40 is also not IFR capable that would make it pretty useless, at least at ATP. |
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October 7th, 2006, 17:39
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October 16th, 2006, 22:57
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The agreement has yet to be added to that pdf file. The last update on that file was March 28, 2006. PNCL ran their very first direct track interviews in mid July this year. 15 tried, 3 failed the written. Of the 12 left, 10 were hired. The agreement still holds, it just hasn't been added to that pdf file yet. For Direct Track, requirements for Pinnacle are CIME, ATP written, 21 yrs old (w/ no total time requirements). Just the facts, no flamebait intended. | |
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October 17th, 2006, 01:26
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I don't believe they will mention a 66.67% hire rate at their website. That's pretty bad, if you ask me. Could Jet U have a better placement rate than FSA? If direct track can't do better than that, they really are dead. |
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October 17th, 2006, 21:00
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Well, keep in mind you don't pay the 22.5k unless you are hired and given a conditional letter of employment. At JetU, you pay 20k upfront, and then who knows what will happen. And, with FSA direct track, you can interview with all 5 airlines: ASA (currently not running), TSA, PNCL, XJT, and Eagle. So even if you don't pass the interview with PNCL, then interview with Eagle, or XJT, etc. They don't have much to lose. The interview itself is free. I'm sure those 5 that didn't make it at PNCL, did try again with the other regional airlines. Worse *worst* case scenario, you interview with all five (not counting ASA, program not running), but you still don't have a job... you had nothing to lose, since you don't pay the 22.5k upfront. If anything you just gained interview experience. But seriously, if you get denied at 5 different interviews with 5 different regionals, the problem isn't direct track... the problem is you. And about their success rate.... every student that has gone through direct track and went into an new hire class, has passed all airine training through IOE. So in that sense, they do have a 100% success rate. *Note I said assigned a class date. Cause I know you'll bring up Badco's case. Poor guy, in a tought situation, but it's just that ASA is not running classes. Badco, and one other gentlemen, were the only ones that I know of that were not assigned a class date after going through direct track. It's my understanding Badco has moved on back to Law Enforcement. But I'm sure that when the day comes for ASA to start new hire classes, Badco will be offered one. To take it or not... that's up to him (and I think he said he wouldn't take it). Still, as far as their success rate from a training standpoint, and going through the regional airline training, that stands at 100%.... no one has washed out at the airline's initial training, and I think that says a lot. * Last edited by Cherokee_Cruiser; October 17th, 2006 at 21:07. Reason: More stuff to add | |
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October 18th, 2006, 04:19
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If you can't cut it without doing it twice you should seek another line of work. | |
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October 18th, 2006, 10:26
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I know of one ASA direct tracker that didn't make it through IOE.
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October 18th, 2006, 11:27
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"I know of one ASA direct tracker that didn't make it through IOE" Then I'd say the 100% claim by FSA is incorrect. |
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October 18th, 2006, 20:30
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October 18th, 2006, 20:36
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On another note, I'm not sure about the other airlines, but with Eagle after you finish the program you have to re-interview. So there is still a possibility that after you spend the $22k you may not get a job.
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October 18th, 2006, 21:26
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After phase IV, you go to DFW to take a written test, tech interview, and sim check. To this date, every Eagle applicant who made it through the pre-phaseIII/iV interview, and completed phase III and IV.... has successfully completed the second interview and then been assigned a class date. In other words, no Eagle guy has been out $22.5k by 'failing' the second interview. | |
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October 18th, 2006, 23:08
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Yikes. That's an ouchy. But methinks this sounds more like a problem with the particular individual, rather than a problem with direct track training. 1 out of 200+ not making it doesn't change a whole lot. That means 199/200 made it. I'd still say that's close to a 100% success rate (if you round up from 99.5%) | |
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October 19th, 2006, 06:42
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SE US & Kiev
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I guess somebody forgot to tell their HR people over at ASA to not put ads out. They have an ad on climb to 350 for FO's put up on 18 Oct, of course with reduced mins if you've been through the RJ sims course. Go figure. For those curious, 1200/200 are the mins and 600/100 if you've been through an RJ course. How long do you think it'll be until you must have an RJ course completed before hired?
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October 19th, 2006, 17:33
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| Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA
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How are those FSA guys gonna get to 600 total without their CFI's? Maybe direct track, as in hired at ASA at 250 with no need to waste time as a CFI, are dead....
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October 19th, 2006, 18:32
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vero Beach, Florida
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This talk of 'no one has paid 22.5k and not gotten the job' is ########. I can't even count on both hands how many people I know that did the program, and now don't have a job. |
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