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August 18th, 2006, 02:41
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
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|  Re: Hired by TSA Quote:
My friend was just furloughed from TSA. He instructed at FSA until his hire date.... Now, he is back at FSA instructing contract students again... ILS
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August 18th, 2006, 02:58
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| Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
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| Re: Hired by TSA Quote:
1. First you have to qualify (ie. have completed training at FSA or be screened coming in) 2. Interview with the airline and recieve a conditional offer of employment (COE) 3. Ground school on the systems etc... 4. Do 30 hours of advanced instrument training/airline procedures in the Seminole and 36 hours of the same in the ERJ level D. 5. Checkride time with a checkairmen from the airline 6. Go to indoc at the airline after passing the checkride Step 6 is where you could possibly get screwed..... If the airline furloughs and stops hiring before you get there then you will wait until they hire and start ground schools again. in the mean time FSA will allow you so many hours in the ERJ SIM each month to stay proficient. never the less, you will wait. I guess you could do your CFI ratings for a back up while waiting for ground school. Hope this helps.... ILS
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August 18th, 2006, 03:17
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA
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| Re: Hired by TSA
Well, okay. Does FSA provide any monetary compensation if you don't get hired? Should they? |
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August 18th, 2006, 10:05
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August 18th, 2006, 11:38
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago
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That's the exact reason I encouraged all of my students to consider that possible outcome when they were considering the program (and pretty much all of them did consider it at one point or another). Say you do get put into a pool or worse; furloughed. What do you do then. You're just a guy with a few hundred hours who has the ability to operate an FMS... Can you afford that? Do you want to take that gamble? The airlines that participate in the direct tracks, with the possible exception of Eagle (and they have their own problems), are all teetering on the verge of slowdowns and furloughs. I know that the urge to move on to the next level is strong, but you have to try and not put all of your eggs into one basket. Otherwise you may be very sorry, and broke. When you interview for a position with an airline, they typically look at a few things: Flight History Total Time/Multi/Instrument/Ratings and Certificates/Accidents/Violations/DUI/Certificate Actions Technical Knowledge Usually the last airplane you flew, can you describe the systems in detail? IFR Knowledge They point to something on a chart and you'd better know what it is. IFR rules, can you takeoff?, do you need an alternate?, etc. Personality All throughout the interview they are gauging what kind of person you are. Are you aggressive? Overly aggressive? Passive? Nice? Mean? You get the point. Do they think that you could function in a crew environment for four days at a time? A month? All of these things can be seriously improved through instruction. Having the CFI shows that you have the ability to work with others (i.e., CRM). When you become a CFII, you learn so much more about instrument flying than you did as a student. You really do expand your knowledge through teaching. I've heard the argument, "How much can I learn watching somebody do turns around a point?", and I'll concede that the actual task of watching somebody do a turn around a point doesn't hold much value, but everything that you did up to that maneuver carries an intangible value that is difficult to quantify. Every ILS that you observe being butchered further strengthens your knowledge and skill base whether you think it will or not. That being said, if you really don't think that you would be able to give the effort that it requires, then don't be a CFI. Nobody deserves an instructor who doesn't care about their job. But, I would encourage you to think about your decision and consider what a (good) captain does. They teach. Is it a challenge? He!! yeah. But most things in aviation are, that's why we do them right? Anyway, good luck what ever you decide. PS. Early on I didn't think that I would like instructing either, but as I moved through my certificates and ratings I realized that it could be a very rewarding experience and a chance to gain more experience (and get paid!) without more outlay of cash. I would only like to apologize to my first few students when I was getting my mojo appropriately adjusted...  | |
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September 8th, 2006, 14:35
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| Re: Hired by TSA Quote:
Well DE, thats one way to get people to side with you. Create another account and side with yourself....LOL Thats awesome... ILS
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September 8th, 2006, 15:13
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Very true indeed. Good post You should help educate your students, so they can make the decision that is right for them. I personally completed my CFI/CFII/and MEI when I was signed up for the ASA program. First, I knew that completing the them would only help me with the transition to ASA. Second, for a back up plan. I knew that it would cost more $$$ but it was very much worth it. I have some friends who completed the ASA program in 2000-2001 after their CIME. They are all still with ASA and did very well even at low time. Yes DE, I said "low time"...LOL. At least they have a good seniority number now... A person can be a great pilot but a not so good instructor. Direct track is better for some than others. It depends solely on the individual. ILS
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September 8th, 2006, 17:45
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| Re: Hired by TSA Quote:
Point #2, we don't much care for personal attacks here, and that post comes pretty darn close. Don't cross that line. 
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September 9th, 2006, 22:42
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2.) It isn't the first time someone on this board has called out another member for using an "aliase" here and I am certain it won't be the last.... 3.) Relax, it is all in good fun and humor. Besides, I love DE, I really do.... ILS
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September 9th, 2006, 23:16
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| Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA
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"I think DE727 has opened another account on JC." You can't really do that without getting caught. It's a mod thing, but trust me... "Point #2, we don't much care for personal attacks here, and that post comes pretty darn close. Don't cross that line" Don't worry about it. ILS's posting history and career progression can be seen by all. He's more of a threat to FSA than I am... |
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September 10th, 2006, 01:59
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| Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
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| Re: Hired by TSA Quote:
As far as careers go, mine is right where I want it. Gee, I don't know, continue making great money, see my wife and daughter every day or go fly for a regional making in a year what I almost make in a month, never see my family, and pray daily that I don't get furloughed? Tough decision... If I want to return to flying full time, all I have to do is make a phone call. It really is funny when you try to throw me under the bus because I choose not to fly for the regionals at this time in my life. Like it makes me any less of a pilot. Don't be so quick to throw people under the bus for making career changes away from aviation. Your earning potential has a very definite cap on it. Mine does not, and it already exceeds what you will make as a senior capt with UPS. I think that making a career change that will bring home a very healthy income for your family demands some respect, don't you? When the aviation industry stabilizes and the pilots can actually support their families without forced consessions and the constant fear of furloughs, I will consider the career again. BTW.... as far as you being a threat to FSA, keep trying, I am sure you are making headway in bringing down the #1 flight training organization in the world.... ILS
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September 10th, 2006, 02:04
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Just Curious, what is it that you do now for a career? | |
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September 10th, 2006, 02:42
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| Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
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| Re: Hired by TSA Quote:
There is good money to be made in finance. I got two of my friends who currently fly for Pinnacle and ASA into mortgage. They have made an extra $8,000 to $12,000 on a good month. Not bad for a part time job on the side to suppliment the lack of regional pay.... ILS
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October 19th, 2006, 21:22
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CLR4ILS, Were you a direct tracker at FSA, or an instructor, or what? How far in aviation did you go before switching over to mortgage brokering ? |
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October 20th, 2006, 01:11
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| Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
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I look at it like this.... I can return to the airline lifestyle and scrape by for several years fying really nice aircraft which is probably the the best job in the world, or I can continue with finance, open my own company in 6-12 months and make enough to buy any light twin or light jet I want. Who knows.... I just know flying is a passion that will not pay for my families needs, and finance does... ILS
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