ZLIN 242 Airwothiness Directive?

chunk75 · October 7th, 2002, 06:11

FAA's taking comments on a proposed ZLIN 242 AD....seems they shouldn't do more than 190-450 hours of aerobatics....

From Avweb:

AD Watch
If you've been flying your Zlin (Moravan Z-242L) the way you thought it was rated, now's a good time to realistically total the number of aerobatic hours you've put it through. It seems the loads weren't calculated properly at certification time and no more than 190 hours of aerobatic and utility use in early models and 450 hours of that type of use in later models is considered safe. How's that for depreciation ... After that they have 3,500 hours and 5,500 hours respectively before new wings must be installed. The full text of the FAA's Notice of Proposed Rulemaking for Z-242L aircraft is available online.

Here's the FAA link

pscraig · October 7th, 2002, 07:25

You do wear a parachute when flying the Zlin, right?

Veronaut · October 7th, 2002, 11:07

The key is 450 hours of aerobatics! That means anything more than 4.4g's. So, you have the ability to fly 450 hours at more than 4.4g. In our upset recovery training, we never even get to that (about 4g's tops), so the aircraft is only flying in the "Utility" category, which has no limitation.

'naut

chunk75 · October 7th, 2002, 11:32

I guess they're gonna have to start noting when someone "clicks the meter" as they say.....

Chunk

aviator · October 7th, 2002, 18:50

They did have one of the ZLIN's in the area 51 maintance hanger for a long time that was totally in pieces. It honestly looked like they took the entire airplane apart and put it back together. Maybe they were doing some sort of detailed inspection?

chunk75 · October 7th, 2002, 19:50

From what I understand, they shipped both wings WHOLE back to Eastern Europe....

sounds expensive!

kdwilkes · October 8th, 2002, 12:27

Like FSI is having money problems!!! When are the new computers coming?

dakovich · October 8th, 2002, 12:32

you guys get computers?!?!

chunk75 · October 8th, 2002, 13:06

Dak,

In order to train it's students in the most modern, easy-to-update manner, all FSI students are issued top o' the line Dell Ispirons preloaded with all the ground school material required, performance charts for all a/c, MS FlightSim 2K2 with all the add-ons, King course DVD's are issued with each one. There are Ethernet ports in every room on campus, in classrooms one for each student, even the Cafe! It's cool...broadband internet, intranet for memo's, email, JeppView electronic chart updates [haven't gotten the enroute charts in electronic form yet

]....schedule is put out that way....there is even talk about docking stations in the new aircraft so the Garmins are linked to the laptop....kinda like a mini-FMS. I hear it'll start next month. It uses the Jepp FliteStar suite for flight planning.

Every 6 months you can trade in for a new laptop, so you never have a slow one. If you are willing to hold on to the same one for 9 months, you get a new one and can keep the old one for personal use.

The whole setup was modeled after JetBlue.

Doesn't Pan Am have the same thing?

Chunk

Veronaut · October 8th, 2002, 14:20

All the Zlin's go through routine non-destructive testing at regular intervals. This is done here in the good ol' USA. About the proposed AD, it seems it would include Utility category time in addition to Aerobatic towards that 450 total. Even still, you do not operate in the Utility category until you exceed 3.8g's, & most of our Upset Recovery Training is done less than that. A spin is strictly a 1g maneuver, granted you could pull much more recovering from the dive, but that defeats the purpose of the training. The purpose of URT is to develop the skills to recover your CRJ from an unusual attitude with minimal stress on the aircraft & passengers. If it's done correctly, you will do it with a minimum of g forces applied.

'naut

Good post, Chunk.

d_gelling · October 8th, 2002, 16:25

What fun would that be?

Veronaut · October 8th, 2002, 16:48

Right, but if you want fun...don't fly a CRJ.

'naut

Oh no! Did I just blaspheme (sp?) on this board? I only post here because there isn't a "Big-round-recip-careers.com" message board.

d_gelling · October 8th, 2002, 17:56

I was referring to only trying to pull 1G in the Zlin.....sorry for the confusion.

chunk75 · October 8th, 2002, 22:08

A spin may only be a 1G manuever, but it'll get your attention...

Snow · November 8th, 2002, 21:36

Are you serious about the new laptops for students or are you just joking?

chunk75 · November 8th, 2002, 21:55

Sarcasm doesn't come across very well over the Internet....

No, sorry for the confusion.

kdwilkes · November 9th, 2002, 00:39

Damn! I thought you were serious. Get our hopes up and then kill us. I thought that laptops were a part of the 60K for training

October 7th, 2002, 06:11	#1
chunk75 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: FL Posts: 922	ZLIN 242 Airwothiness Directive? FAA's taking comments on a proposed ZLIN 242 AD....seems they shouldn't do more than 190-450 hours of aerobatics.... From Avweb: AD Watch If you've been flying your Zlin (Moravan Z-242L) the way you thought it was rated, now's a good time to realistically total the number of aerobatic hours you've put it through. It seems the loads weren't calculated properly at certification time and no more than 190 hours of aerobatic and utility use in early models and 450 hours of that type of use in later models is considered safe. How's that for depreciation ... After that they have 3,500 hours and 5,500 hours respectively before new wings must be installed. The full text of the FAA's Notice of Proposed Rulemaking for Z-242L aircraft is available online. Here's the FAA link

October 7th, 2002, 07:25	#2
pscraig Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,021	Re: ZLIN 242 Airwothiness Directive? You do wear a parachute when flying the Zlin, right?

October 7th, 2002, 11:07	#3
Veronaut Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Not in Vero anymore... Posts: 65	Re: ZLIN 242 Airwothiness Directive? The key is 450 hours of aerobatics! That means anything more than 4.4g's. So, you have the ability to fly 450 hours at more than 4.4g. In our upset recovery training, we never even get to that (about 4g's tops), so the aircraft is only flying in the "Utility" category, which has no limitation. 'naut

October 7th, 2002, 11:32	#4
chunk75 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: FL Posts: 922	Re: ZLIN 242 Airwothiness Directive? I guess they're gonna have to start noting when someone "clicks the meter" as they say..... Chunk

October 7th, 2002, 18:50	#5
aviator Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 385	Re: ZLIN 242 Airwothiness Directive? They did have one of the ZLIN's in the area 51 maintance hanger for a long time that was totally in pieces. It honestly looked like they took the entire airplane apart and put it back together. Maybe they were doing some sort of detailed inspection?

October 7th, 2002, 19:50	#6
chunk75 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: FL Posts: 922	Re: ZLIN 242 Airwothiness Directive? From what I understand, they shipped both wings WHOLE back to Eastern Europe.... sounds expensive!

October 8th, 2002, 12:27	#7
kdwilkes Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Vero Beach, FL Posts: 125	Re: ZLIN 242 Airwothiness Directive? Like FSI is having money problems!!! When are the new computers coming?

October 8th, 2002, 12:32	#8
dakovich Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,043	Re: ZLIN 242 Airwothiness Directive? you guys get computers?!?!

October 8th, 2002, 13:06	#9
chunk75 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: FL Posts: 922	Re: ZLIN 242 Airwothiness Directive? Dak, In order to train it's students in the most modern, easy-to-update manner, all FSI students are issued top o' the line Dell Ispirons preloaded with all the ground school material required, performance charts for all a/c, MS FlightSim 2K2 with all the add-ons, King course DVD's are issued with each one. There are Ethernet ports in every room on campus, in classrooms one for each student, even the Cafe! It's cool...broadband internet, intranet for memo's, email, JeppView electronic chart updates [haven't gotten the enroute charts in electronic form yet ]....schedule is put out that way....there is even talk about docking stations in the new aircraft so the Garmins are linked to the laptop....kinda like a mini-FMS. I hear it'll start next month. It uses the Jepp FliteStar suite for flight planning. Every 6 months you can trade in for a new laptop, so you never have a slow one. If you are willing to hold on to the same one for 9 months, you get a new one and can keep the old one for personal use. The whole setup was modeled after JetBlue. Doesn't Pan Am have the same thing? Chunk

October 8th, 2002, 14:20	#10
Veronaut Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Not in Vero anymore... Posts: 65	Re: ZLIN 242 Airwothiness Directive? All the Zlin's go through routine non-destructive testing at regular intervals. This is done here in the good ol' USA. About the proposed AD, it seems it would include Utility category time in addition to Aerobatic towards that 450 total. Even still, you do not operate in the Utility category until you exceed 3.8g's, & most of our Upset Recovery Training is done less than that. A spin is strictly a 1g maneuver, granted you could pull much more recovering from the dive, but that defeats the purpose of the training. The purpose of URT is to develop the skills to recover your CRJ from an unusual attitude with minimal stress on the aircraft & passengers. If it's done correctly, you will do it with a minimum of g forces applied. 'naut Good post, Chunk.

October 8th, 2002, 16:25	#11
d_gelling Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 137	Re: ZLIN 242 Airwothiness Directive? What fun would that be?

October 8th, 2002, 16:48	#12
Veronaut Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Not in Vero anymore... Posts: 65	Re: ZLIN 242 Airwothiness Directive? Right, but if you want fun...don't fly a CRJ. 'naut Oh no! Did I just blaspheme (sp?) on this board? I only post here because there isn't a "Big-round-recip-careers.com" message board.

October 8th, 2002, 17:56	#13
d_gelling Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 137	Re: ZLIN 242 Airwothiness Directive? I was referring to only trying to pull 1G in the Zlin.....sorry for the confusion.

October 8th, 2002, 22:08	#14
chunk75 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: FL Posts: 922	Re: ZLIN 242 Airwothiness Directive? A spin may only be a 1G manuever, but it'll get your attention...

November 8th, 2002, 21:36	#15
Snow Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 870	Re: ZLIN 242 Airwothiness Directive? Are you serious about the new laptops for students or are you just joking?

November 8th, 2002, 21:55	#16
chunk75 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: FL Posts: 922	Re: ZLIN 242 Airwothiness Directive? Sarcasm doesn't come across very well over the Internet.... No, sorry for the confusion.

November 9th, 2002, 00:39	#17
kdwilkes Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Vero Beach, FL Posts: 125	Re: ZLIN 242 Airwothiness Directive? Damn! I thought you were serious. Get our hopes up and then kill us. I thought that laptops were a part of the 60K for training

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