CRM and AOT

[flyallday]

I was just wondering how much emphasis Ariben places on airline-oriented training?

Is there any Crew Resource Management Class that they teach?

[ShoreFly]

1. None, never heard that term here.
2. No class specifically for CRM, however it is mentioned.

[Luftpost]

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I was just wondering how much emphasis Ariben places on airline-oriented training?

[/ QUOTE ] They don't. Thats why the airlines send you through "their" training.

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Is there any Crew Resource Management Class that they teach?

[/ QUOTE ] Not specifically. Again, the airlines will train you. There are various books available that discuss CRM. One being "The Turbine Pilots Handbook".

Pierre, the Chief Flight Instructor is ex military. He is extremely knowlegable, and could give you training in these areas.

[flyallday]

Do you feel that if Ariben had a more Airline Oriented Training approach and a CRM course it would have been more helpful?

Or do you think its just marketing BS by some of the big academies and the Airline style of training and CRM was easy to pick up when you trained with the airline you got hired at?

[jtrain609]

BS, just like promoting a 737 sim or something like that.

[Luftpost]

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Do you feel that if Ariben had a more Airline Oriented Training approach and a CRM course it would have been more helpful?


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For the record, I am not with an airline. I fly for a 135 operator (and 91).

More helpful?? I was hired with less than....., well, lets just say I instructed for 8 months, and landed the job. When I went to initial, I recieved a good dose of CRM (the Flight Safety way).

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Or do you think its just marketing BS by some of the big academies and the Airline style of training and CRM was easy to pick up when you trained with the airline you got hired at?

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I am not going to call it BS. Money spent on education is never wasteful. It just depends on how much you want to spend. The difference in price between Ari Ben and the big schools is enourmous. I was extremely motivated to get through the program, and could not justify the price difference. For me, it payed off.

Lastly, I don't care what the sales people tell you. If you think they are going to help you get a job...think again. If you want one, you are the one that does the leg work. If the placement office is going to help you, then they are sending out 100 other (or more) resumes at bulk rate.

I knocked on doors for a couple of months. Then one day, I fell in one of them.

Keep the resumes flowing...every 100 hrs was one of my strategies (followed by a phone call). I focused on several operators that I " really wanted to work for".

Additionallly, the multi time helped a lot!!

[ILSstud]

I'll second Luftpost in saying that the multi time you get at Aviator is far superior than many schools in Florida if not the country. I know my first instructor landed a job with a subsidiary Continental Express and he had like 1600 total and about 900 or so of that was multi time. Just my 2 cents, I think the multiengine time would speak volumes more than a few hours of CRM training spent at an academy like environment such as the ones that advertise heavily.

[jawright]

What was your impression of the training you recieved in general (flight and ground)? I'm interested in going there because it sounds like an insanely good deal.

[ILSstud]

Personally, I think the instruction I have recieved from the Aviator is first rate. My first instructor Matt provided me an incredible basis on my private and first half of instrument training. The thing I like about the Aviator is that the atmosphere is relaxed but still professional. The planes themselves are getting up there in hours, so a thorough preflight is always a good thing (as in all flying). Maintenance is right there if anything is awry. The instruction though is rather good, at least my learning experiences with 2 instructors and a few random encounters with 4-5 others make me believe as such. Frankly, I revel in the fact that I'm paying 155 an hour for dual multi time. I know at other schools the prices are insane. Right now I'm just a tad over 80 hours in the Duchess, and I will start time building wheN i get back from vacation in July. The prices at Aviator are certainly very good, and should you choose the school I am sure you will be happy about it. As with all flight schools, there are certain things that can get a tad on the annoying side. With the amount of people starting to enroll at the school, scheduling conflicts and time issues tend to happen every now and then...but what can you do eh. If you have any other questions feel free to email me at AirplaneStud@hotmail.com or call the school directly and they should be more than helpful! Good luck in your endeavor