spoon feeding flight schools

[rb3000]

Hi

i am looking for a flight school that is stress free have a one on one instruction and have a everyday actual ground school that actually teach everything WORD BY WORD....and the flight school that does everything it takes for the students to become a great pilot.... i am not looking for a flight school that i have to study on my own and i only have to take my question for the instructor to explaine it for me.... do you guys know any flight school like that?

thank you very much

[mikecweb]

Originally Posted by rb3000

Hi

i am looking for a flight school that is stress free have a one on one instruction and have a everyday actual ground school that actually teach everything WORD BY WORD....and the flight school that does everything it takes for the students to become a great pilot.... i am not looking for a flight school that i have to study on my own and i only have to take my question for the instructor to explaine it for me.... do you guys know any flight school like that?

thank you very much

Not sure that exists but good luck.

Just curious as to why you are so opposed to doing some self study?

[rb3000]

i don't mind studying myself but i don't want to study it all by myself and just to take my question to the instructor ...... what i meant is i am looking for a school that has one on one instruction and has a everyday official ground school that teaches you...

thank you

[tprops4me]

I think any of the big academies that are not accelerated will do that. You will have to study on your own no matter where you go.

[rb3000]

thank you for the reply.... can you name some of the school that are like that.... and as i said i am willing to study but i want a school that has a ground classroom style that i can learn without any stress and rush..

thank you again for the answers.

[tprops4me]

You may be happier just going to a local FBO and telling them that you want a structured ground school. It will be at your own pace, and you won't have to struggle to keep up with others as you may have to in an academy enviornment. How old are you? What are your goals in respects to flying? Just wondering so I can maybe answer your questions better.

[MusketeerMan]

Originally Posted by rb3000

Hi

i am looking for a flight school that is stress free have a one on one instruction and have a everyday actual ground school that actually teach everything WORD BY WORD....and the flight school that does everything it takes for the students to become a great pilot.... i am not looking for a flight school that i have to study on my own and i only have to take my question for the instructor to explaine it for me.... do you guys know any flight school like that?

thank you very much

No, I don't know of any flight schools that will do that.

[rb3000]

Thanks for the replys again.... i am 21 years old and currently i have about 10 hours logged, but i am not happy with my training because at my local FBO here i have to study ALL the material on my own and basically only for flying i go to the FBO which is waste of money because ground school is the important part of the training.. i am looking for a school that has structure ground school with the flying lesson and is everyday kind of like a regular school.... as far as my goal i want to finish all my ratings and i want to get a flying job i don't really care about how much i make ( at least at this point) even if i make $1000 month i am happy... it is very hard to find a good flight school... i would really appreciate your thoughts on this.

thank you

[charlie1017]

Have you looked into part 141 training???
It's more structured and rigid compared to part 61 training, especially when it comes to ground school.
Now, doing some self study can actually be beneficial, especially if you're thinking about jumping into professional aviation.

[SoCalPilotGuy]

I took lots of formal ground school classes through community colleges near my house. That prepared me for the concepts, bookwork, and oral prep. Then I went to the local FBO, found a good instructor to teach me the maneuvers and presto!

I would not hesitate to do it this way again. A private pilot ground school class at a community college in CA runs about $150 for the semester (approximately 16 weeks and 4-5 hours of instruction per week). In my opinion, worth every penny. You would end up paying a "flight instructor" at least $30 an hour for one-on-one ground instruction. You do the math!

[Crockrocket94]

I would say go to FSA haha, there is alot of spoon feeding.

But seriously, thats just not the right attitude to have for more than one reason.

I mean, why are you so concerned about learning the material on your own?

Get the Jepp Book and have at it.

All the ground school does is regurgitate that info. Try getting the King videos...

[Matt13C]

I am not 100% on this but don't most jobs require you to learn the systems and proceedures for the aircraft you will fly on your own? I think it would be beneficial to learn how to teach yourself and use the ground school as positive reinforcement of information already learned.

If you are looking for a structured ground school all you need to do is ask your instructor. As others already pointed out, it will be more expensive, but you are the customer, ask for what you want.

[charlie1017]

Originally Posted by Matt13C

I am not 100% on this but don't most jobs require you to learn the systems and proceedures for the aircraft you will fly on your own? I think it would be beneficial to learn how to teach yourself and use the ground school as positive reinforcement of information already learned.

If you are looking for a structured ground school all you need to do is ask your instructor. As others already pointed out, it will be more expensive, but you are the customer, ask for what you want.

Yep! My current CFI -a former Saab 340 pilot in the 90's- described his airline ground school as "drinking from a firehose". So inevitably you'll need to study on your own and with your buddies to get a grasp of the material.
I for one view the self study vs ground school thing from a money saving point of view... Where I train, ground time with a CFI costs at least $50/hour, including time for briefs/debriefs. I'd rather spend that money training in the airplane...

[mikecweb]

Originally Posted by rb3000

Thanks for the replys again.... i am 21 years old and currently i have about 10 hours logged, but i am not happy with my training because at my local FBO here i have to study ALL the material on my own and basically only for flying i go to the FBO which is waste of money because ground school is the important part of the training.. i am looking for a school that has structure ground school with the flying lesson and is everyday kind of like a regular school.... as far as my goal i want to finish all my ratings and i want to get a flying job i don't really care about how much i make ( at least at this point) even if i make $1000 month i am happy... it is very hard to find a good flight school... i would really appreciate your thoughts on this.

thank you

If you are looking at taking this flying thing to the next level, meaning as a professional, you'll never get it spoon fed to you again. This deal takes alot of dedication and alot of your time to make it work. I think what you need to do is attend a private ground school. Your flight school probably threw you a couple books and said deal. Look up a private ground school but I'm telling you, you're still going to have to put in alot of personal time to get this acomplished.

[killbilly]

Originally Posted by rb3000

Thanks for the replys again.... i am 21 years old and currently i have about 10 hours logged, but i am not happy with my training because at my local FBO here i have to study ALL the material on my own and basically only for flying i go to the FBO which is waste of money because ground school is the important part of the training.. i am looking for a school that has structure ground school with the flying lesson and is everyday kind of like a regular school.... as far as my goal i want to finish all my ratings and i want to get a flying job i don't really care about how much i make ( at least at this point) even if i make $1000 month i am happy... it is very hard to find a good flight school... i would really appreciate your thoughts on this.

thank you

Y'know, I started to reply to this, then stopped, because I couldn't figure out a way to explain what it was that bothered me about your remarks above. It took a bit for it to click...I'm further along in my training than you are, but not by a hell of a lot in the grand scheme of things, so take this with a grain of salt, please...

Ground school is an important part of training, but I disagree that it's the most important part of the training. It's one piece of the whole puzzle.

The student-CFI relationship is a two-way street. Your remarks above seem to indicate that you want the ground stuff fed to you in a way that you can regurgitate later...I'm not sure if that's the case, but it reads that way to me.

Your CFI will respond to your enthusiasm and diligence - heck, most relationships are like this - and if you put in the extra effort you'll get that extra effort back from a good CFI. But if you sit there with your arms folded and create an impression of "you've not fed me this stuff so I don't have to know it" it creates a negative atmosphere. That makes it harder for you and your CFI.

Please understand - I don't mean to belittle or berate you here - I can only go on how this reads - and I'm not sure you mean it this way.

But flying and learning to fly is an active process with a great deal of exploration and investigation that goes way beyond what's in the Gleim book practice exams for the written, y'know? It's a journey that your CFI wisely guides you on.

Good luck in your studies, and I hope you find what you need. I second the ground school at a college idea, by the way. My CFI teaches those on a regular basis and they're supposed to be pretty good.

[High_Alpha]

I agree with most of what has already been said. Especially the parts about your advanced training requiring you to study on your own. Several airlines now do their aircraft systems training entirely through self study at home using DVDs (obviously there would be instructors you could contact with questions).

One other thing I would mention (and this is my opinion) is that aviation is a career in which you *should* want to know way more than the minimum required. In other words, more than you could possibly be spoon-fed, no matter how good the instructor or the school. You should be reading magazines, books, etc. on flying, airplanes, weather and aviation that are not specifically required for your course of study, based on your enthusiasm and professional curiosity for the subject. Again, this is my opinion, and I'm sure there are many pilots who don't read aviation stuff in their spare time (I read less now than I used to) but it would seem that the amount of enthusiasm required to sustain a career in aviation, with all of its uncertainty, sacrifices required, etc. would most likely be accompanied by a desire to do some independent reading and study. My 2 cents.

All that said, best wishes in your search, and in your training! This site is a good resource of people who've been there and done that, are happy to share their experiences, so be sure to utilize them.

[tprops4me]

I think the problem here is that it sounds like you don't want to have to work hard at the academic portion of flight training. The way your posts read, I am not sure if we are having language barrier problems or what. What I do know is this. When you are alone in the cockpit, the only spoon thats going to be feeding you is the one you are holding. As a pilot you will have to plan and react to different situations on every flight. This may not be the profession for you if you need your hand held through the whole thing. You grow as a pilot by the knowledge you acquire. much of it on your own. Your instructor will expect you to show up for each lesson with a firm grasp on the bookwork for the subject at hand. If you do not do this, it frustrates them and delays the lesson. Good luck in your quest. Stick with it, and do your best.

[rb3000]

Thank you all for the answers.... i think the way i put my statement most of you guys think that i am not willing to study that's not the case... i am motivated and i am willing to put all my time to study and learn...i just wanted to find a good school that has a structure ground school, kind of like ATP where you go at 8 am and get off at like 5pm and you are there everyday to learn but i don't like ATP to start with because they have the policy where they will kick you out if you don't get your training in certain time besides that it is way out of my budget........ but i agree with all of you guys and i know 121 school is like a fire hose but most people who go to 121 schools they already have the foundation of flight they are already pilot they know how to fly a plane... but for me i like for my foundation to be strong and i like a school where i can go full time everyday eat read and breath aviation kind of training, but i don't wanted to be stressful like ATP where you have to have everything done in certain time or they would say bye bye to you.. everybody have a different learning style.

Again thank you i really appreciate all of you guys.

[notawannabee]

THis may have been written already (I didnt read the entire thread), but I suggest buying a self study course (King Schools...I recommend... over Sportys...or someone else may have a better suggestion like ASA etc.) and dedicate some time each day for self study. If you are concerned about having questions answered by an instructor, write those down as you are watching the course and take them to your lessons. You will be prepared and you will save money...hundreds of dollars. I would suggest going through the entire course and taking the practice exams (over and over) before starting training. If your looking to save some money, Ebay has some training courses for sale...if you have a VHS player, you can get that format for next to nothing. Ive had (have) my written exams delay me in my training. HAving as much knowledge as you can up front willl make your training much more enjoyable...I think. You dont have to know it all....just a good foundation. Good luck and keep us posted

[n57flyguy]

Originally Posted by SoCalPilotGuy

I took lots of formal ground school classes through community colleges near my house. That prepared me for the concepts, bookwork, and oral prep. Then I went to the local FBO, found a good instructor to teach me the maneuvers and presto!

I would not hesitate to do it this way again. A private pilot ground school class at a community college in CA runs about $150 for the semester (approximately 16 weeks and 4-5 hours of instruction per week). In my opinion, worth every penny. You would end up paying a "flight instructor" at least $30 an hour for one-on-one ground instruction. You do the math!

$150, 16 weeks, 5 hours a week? that is a deal! Wish I had one near me.