job placement vs. atp

[fcbarcelona1024]

Does anyone know what type of job placement agreements ari-ben has with regionals? Is it comparable to atp? thanks

[Cactus_Cutter]

Originally Posted by fcbarcelona1024

Does anyone know what type of job placement agreements ari-ben has with regionals? Is it comparable to atp? thanks

None

Although the owner might put a good word for you for a Colgan interview or give you a letter of recommendation, but it does not mean you will get the job.

Likewise ATP has agreements with regionals to interview at or below mins due to the past quality of students going to that regional but does not guarantee job placement. Also ATP maintains a good relationship with the 121 world and occasionally does to leg work to coordinate regionals to the school for interview job fairs.

This does not mean you will have a less chance of getting a job if you went to Ari-Ben. It just means you have to do what 99.9% of the working population has to do to get a job: Submit a resume directly to the company you want to work, schedule and interview when called, go to interview, wait for offer/decline, accept or move on to another company and repeat process.

Lately, regionals are hiring aggressively. Whether they come to the school or you go to them on your own chances are you will get a job offer.

Throwing money at a school will not guarantee a pilot job unless you are the 20th paying passenger on BE1900.

[Florida_Flyer]

Forget promises of being "placed" by Aviator, ATP or any other school. Right now you find a job off your own back easy enough. Don't let the placement BS decide where you train.

[Gonzorox]

Originally Posted by Florida_Flyer

Forget promises of being "placed" by Aviator, ATP or any other school. Right now you find a job off your own back easy enough. Don't let the placement BS decide where you train.

I agree. The regionals want warm bodies these days. If they think you might possibly pass the training, then you're hired. Whatever you do don't pay extra $$$ for a school that says "Guaranteed job placement".

btw, does anyone know if that liason between Cohen and Colgan still exists in light of the whole Pinnacle thing? Oh and as far as Cohen and Colgan go, Mike will definitely do whatever he can to help you get in... even if you're Florida Flyer!

[USMC-SGT]

i third or fourth what everyone says.....just get the hours the absolute cheapest way possible. If you have 500 hours with around 50 multi you are going to most regionals

step it up to 600-800 hours with 100 multi and you are going to most GOOD regionals

get over 1000 hours with 200 multi and you are not a vegetable in the interview, you are going to ANY regional

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by Florida_Flyer

Forget promises of being "placed" by Aviator, ATP or any other school. Right now you find a job off your own back easy enough. Don't let the placement BS decide where you train.

Agreed.

Goto the school that offers the best training environment. Not the one who says they have the most connections at the regionals. . .especially when those connections do not hold the same amount of weight these days compared to 3 years ago.

[DE727UPS]

Personally, I think the more someplace promises "job placement", the more you should run away. A person should move up the ladder in this biz based on personal performance, not on flight school "promises".

Does that make sense?

[777forever]

Originally Posted by DE727UPS

Personally, I think the more someplace promises "job placement", the more you should run away. A person should move up the ladder in this biz based on personal performance, not on flight school "promises".

Does that make sense?

yep but let in be known that ATP promises nothing as far a "job placement" Guaranteed interviews? yep, and if your "personal performance" in the RJ sim was good enough to get the Director's Letter of Rec and your "personal performance" in the interview goes well, you will get hired like most do

[DE727UPS]

"Don't let the placement BS decide where you train."

Don't let the "guaranteed interview" BS decide where you train, either, or a fancy website.

In this day and age, if you are qualified, you are "guaranteed an interview". No need for RJ sims that the regional pilots at this forum say aren't worth it. Just spend some time paying your dues as a CFI and you'll be fine. Doesn't matter what school you go to.

[fcbarcelona1024]

yeah i dont really understand why some posts on other threads ive read have knocked instructing. to me it seems like invaluable experience to teach others, not to mention gaining valuable pic time. i look forward to it. i also believe it will help get an inverview.

[Cactus_Cutter]

Originally Posted by 777forever

yep but let in be known that ATP promises nothing as far a "job placement" Guaranteed interviews? yep, and if your "personal performance" in the RJ sim was good enough to get the Director's Letter of Rec and your "personal performance" in the interview goes well, you will get hired like most do

Funny, how I had several in my GS class who did RJ classes/sims prior to being hired. Two of them agreed it was a waste of time and money. Another had great difficulty handling the AC during OE and had to extend OE training time.

Schools love to make you believe that throwing money into additional programs will give you the “competitive edge” in hiring or reduce the chance of washout during training. Complete B.S.

If you are disciplined, study, pay attention, learn, have a positive attitude, and throw away your “hot shot” CFI ego away you will do fine at your first regional.

[777forever]

Originally Posted by Cactus_Cutter

Schools love to make you believe that throwing money into additional programs will give you the “competitive edge” in hiring or reduce the chance of washout during training. Complete B.S.

You may think thats B.S. Thats fine, just your opinion. But the statistics prove that an RJ course does give you a "competitive edge" in hiring and reduces your chance of washout, at least with ATP's program.

[maverick2]

Originally Posted by 777forever

You may think thats B.S. Thats fine, just your opinion. But the statistics prove that an RJ course does give you a "competitive edge" in hiring and reduces your chance of washout, at least with ATP's program.

If that what makes you sleep better at night, than so be it. RJ courses to me are a waste of money, a scam, and a 'confidence booster'. Let the flames begin!

[Crockrocket94]

What really boils me is FSA Airline Direct Track.

It caters to so many people who are clueless and just "want the easy way"

Essentially FSA has one of there affiliate airlines come in, be it TSA, ASA, Pinnacle, AE, and interview you.

Once you get the Conditional Offer of Employment from the company, you pay FSA mid 20k to go through a AATP program where you fly the seminole in a CRM environment with a PF and PNF. From this you do class work and whatnot for the systems on the ERJ or whatever they are flying. You take a checkride in the simulator for a "SIC TYPE" then eventually you get shipped off to the company to go through the same thing ALL OVER again!

I am pretty sure you could save alot of money and submit an app directly to the Company or Cheif Pilot. Or at least spend 10 grand of that and get the CFI,II,MEI and then actually learn some things, and get some PIC experience.

PFJ anyone??

/rant off

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by maverick2

Let the flames begin!

Just a pointer from the audience here:

Let's leave martyrdom to the religious zealots in the mountains of Pakistan, bro!

[Cactus_Cutter]

At no point in my training did I believe I would not be able to complete my training. I knew many before me who went through without issue any prior RJ training in a FTD. The issue here is schools love to sell off of “fear of uncertainty”. The instant the student is uncertain is when the wallet opens up.

Hey maverick2 how is the OE vacation going???

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Just a pointer from the audience here:

Let's leave martyrdom to the religious zealots in the mountains of Pakistan, bro!

“We don’t tell you what to do with your sand, so let us live our infidel lives!”

[maverick2]

Originally Posted by Cactus_Cutter

Hey maverick2 how is the OE vacation going???

I love the paid vacation. I got my big fat paycheck today. I hope I dont get use to this.

[DE727UPS]

It's funny how guys at ATP have one opinion and guys who are actual airline pilots have another. That's sooooo par for the course.

Yet, ATP statistics don't lie, nor does their website.....