Why is the Aviator Forum so dead

[greaper007]

Any ideas? It used to be a happening place. Any news since I left?

[NickH]

Well, that guy got kicked out of the school for posting, so...

[DE727UPS]

He also was refunded his unused monies. It sounds like it wasn't a good fit for him. But, yeah, I can see how folks could be intimidated by the way some of these Ari discussions have played out in the past.

[LoadMasterC141]

Yes it is a lucky bit of fate the forums died when they did, erasing all of that ugly mess. No I am not being sarcastic or suggesting conspiracy; Just quite lucky.

[Florida_Flyer]

He also was refunded his unused monies.

Was he also paid for the expense caused by having to stop his training, move somewhere, else, get used to a new plane, airport and instructor etc? Remember at the Aviator, the first ammendment, your right to free speech does not apply. If you want to excercise that right you're better off flight training in North Korea, Iran or some other hell hole where free speech is taken more seriously. This whole Aviator forum is just poison. If guys like me and Gonzo didn't post it would be even worse.

Just remember guys, if you want to post here don't let everyone know who you are. If you tell your roomate, instructor etc, you're leaving yourself open. I was just lucky. My CFI and roomates knew it was me posting but they didn't let Mike know. Yeah, it was very intimidating. Mike is a bully and he had my money and I just know he wouldn't have given it back if he knew it was me. The whole thing was making me ill and I didn't even dare take my medical because my blood pressure was through the roof!

[Mountain Flying]

These people who "fear" Mike just need to go talk to him, I've never had a problem with him, just let him know whats up pretty simple, better then a package of BS like other flight schools......

[Doug Taylor]

Not to nitpick but 'freedom of speech' is between you and the central government. Subway Sandwiches has full authority to give you the boot for wearing a "Jared from subway has a fat ass!" shirt and there's nothing in the constitution that says that Subway has to respect your freedom of expression.

[Gonzorox]

Originally Posted by Florida_Flyer

Was he also paid for the expense caused by having to stop his training, move somewhere, else, get used to a new plane, airport and instructor etc? Remember at the Aviator, the first ammendment, your right to free speech does not apply. If you want to excercise that right you're better off flight training in North Korea, Iran or some other hell hole where free speech is taken more seriously. This whole Aviator forum is just poison. If guys like me and Gonzo didn't post it would be even worse.

Just remember guys, if you want to post here don't let everyone know who you are. If you tell your roomate, instructor etc, you're leaving yourself open. I was just lucky. My CFI and roomates knew it was me posting but they didn't let Mike know. Yeah, it was very intimidating. Mike is a bully and he had my money and I just know he wouldn't have given it back if he knew it was me. The whole thing was making me ill and I didn't even dare take my medical because my blood pressure was through the roof!

Greaper.... There's your answer right there! This was actually a very insightful and informative forum before floridaflyer and his "little" buddy came along. This forum was the deciding factor for me to attend the Aviator 3 years ago... Without this forum, I probably would've ended up somewhere else, throwing my money away, and not at all happy. Since then, their little 'Anti-Aviator' crusade has created the opposite of the "Free Speech Zone"... NO ONE WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING NOW!

Originally Posted by Florida_Flyer

Mike is a bully

Not sure about that?! He is a businessman fro Texas dealing with little punk-asses 7 days a week... If you sit down with Mike, he will always try and work things out for you.

btw, Greap, where are you going to be based?

[Florida_Flyer]

I respect your right to free speech Gonzorox and your opinion. Congratulations on your job Greaper, I'm sure it'll work out just fine!

[greaper007]

I wish I knew where I was going to be based Gonzorox, not sure yet. Thanks for the congratulations FF, still trying to figure out if I know you .

Jetcareers was also my number one reason for going to the aviator. Considering that I got out of the Aviator with $40,000 in loans I think it was still a good decision. I don't like how the Aviator forums have dried up, they used to be a pretty good source of information, and a place for people to banter. It's too bad that people are afraid to post on here now. I've posted some things about the Aviator on this message board that some might consider bad, and I was never reprimanded.

I don't think FF and Gonzo should be blamed though. They're representing their opinions and I welcome that. The fact that we can all name the two people that are unhappy with the school should mean something. Something like.....most people are happy here. I don't know about you, but whenever I want to buy something expensive, I check out the reviews. I usually check out the bad ones the good ones.

[lowery21]

If you want to excercise that right you're better off flight training in North Korea, Iran or some other hell hole where free speech is taken more seriously.

I am not sure if there has ever in the history of man been a more retarded statement commited to english.

Iran and Korea? Seriously? Seriously? Do you even have any idea what you are equating Ari Ben to? What an insult.

You know what, my incorrect order at Wendys yesterday was a lot like the Holocaust.

You should be embarrassed.



Mike, TJ, Mary and Peggy.... you should know that most of us really loved our experience.

[Florida_Flyer]

Do you even have any idea what you are equating Ari Ben to?

Yes, I do! These are the guys that remind me of Mike

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-il

You know what, my incorrect order at Wendys yesterday was a lot like the Holocaust.

Your incorrect order at Wendys' was no big deal. The guy that got kicked out of the Aviator, the others that were kicked out before him and the gagging of complainers is a big deal.

Oh by the way I hope your Xjet gig is going well lowery21. Congratulations on getting the job!

[surreal1221]

Wow. . . it really does sound like Aviator is a not so nice place to be.

[MFT1Air]

Somehow, my belief is we've lost quite a lot of useful information that could have been gained by posts either from employees of the organization or from questions asked of Aviators.

A few individuals went off on some "they're REALLY Aviator employees" tangent and essentially scared many to not wish to post. Don't know why specifically, but whatever the reason, in my opinion, it hurt the organization.

Posts made "do not necessarily reflect the views or opinion of Aviator" should be fine for the staff of Aviator, but apparently, it will not be the case.

Lastly, I thoroughly enjoyed many posts of those who attended/departed in addition to those presently there as either students or staff. The posts need to continue. If not, we'll simply have to sit and wait until pilots leave, then we'll hear their after course completion comments.

Hark, we're hearing those now both pro and con. Hmmm. . .

[surreal1221]

This forum was my number one resource in judging Aviator. Sure I have yet to visit the facility, but I will certainly have my eyes open when I do.

[Gonzorox]

Originally Posted by Florida_Flyer

Yes, I do! These are the guys that remind me of Mike

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-il

Unbeleivable! I think you said a lot about yourself right there. And I hope some of these folks, looking for a school, will begin to realize the level you bring here.
Congrats on a wonderful post!

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by greaper007

Any ideas? It used to be a happening place. Any news since I left?

The garbage man can’t figure out why there are never any empty wine bottles anymore.

Originally Posted by Gonzorox

Greaper.... There's your answer right there! This was actually a very insightful and informative forum before floridaflyer and his "little" buddy came along. This forum was the deciding factor for me to attend the Aviator 3 years ago... Without this forum, I probably would've ended up somewhere else, throwing my money away, and not at all happy. Since then, their little 'Anti-Aviator' crusade has created the opposite of the "Free Speech Zone"... NO ONE WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING NOW!

This forum can still be insightful and informative. This forum was also the primary reason why I attended the Aviator. Little did I know I was exchanging private messages with somebody paid to feed me lies. Off the top of my head I can count 15 to 20 current or past students or instructors that can post whatever they want and you would not hear peep out of me.

Originally Posted by Gonzorox

He is a businessman

As a businessman yourself (from my understanding a very good one) you must agree the Aviator is not ran very efficiently. There is no way you could not agree with the fact that most of Mike's bad image and the day-to-day problems he has to deal with result from the incompetent staff. Compare a Maverick ran day in dispatch with a Karen ran day.

[MFT1Air]

I think the cliché is "weakness of human nature." Any entity, organization, business large or small is run with a relative degree of inefficiency, grief, and internal strife when dealing with policies, finances, employees or customers. Such is life; if you're expecting utopia, get a grip on life, for you're deluding yourself. Aviator is no different from Gulfstream, ATP, Jack In The Box, Southwest Airlines, or IBM from that aspect. People are going to criticize; people are going to embellish a position; people are going to downright lie. It takes the totality of those perspectives to truly gain insight of an organization to either appreciate or degrade it. If no one says anything; if everyone remains closemouthed, we all lose.

Criticism is good as well, for it allows for improvement. We know Aviator isn’t perfect, for if it were “all that” – who would be going to ATP or other training facilities? People highly tout ATP; people significantly criticize ATP both from inside and out. Truly, what is the harm in misrepresenting and then being called to prove or disprove your claim? It’s physics right? For every action, there is and equal and opposite reaction. Don’t be mad; get over it.

To utilize my favorite cliché for the applicable individuals – “grow up!” It’s called life; it aint easy, but it’s what I make of it, and I want it to be fun. I want dwell on something that in the future, I'll chalk up simply as a learning experience.

[Beechlover]

Originally Posted by MFT1Air

It’s called life; it aint easy, but it’s what I make of it, and I want it to be fun. I want dwell on something that in the future, I'll chalk up simply as a learning experience.

Amen Brother!

[Florida_Flyer]

Criticism is good as well, for it allows for improvement.

Amen Brother!