Ari and DPE's

USMC-SGT · July 1st, 2006, 15:14

Thought i would throw this out there since it will pertain to me if i EVER get out of Iraq!

I know some schools have DPE's that they traditionally use because they are local and have built a good relationship with the school. Is this similiar withi Ari?

Does Ari typically use X amount of DPE's religiously or is it a crapshoot meaning that you call around and just get who you get. I would imagine that the benefit would be in favor of having a DPE that is with a school for a while and has built a relationship that would ease some of the stress of a checkride, if that is really possible.

I also know of some 141 schools that have an in house DPE which in my oppinion would probably be the best scenario because not that they would be any easier on you, but you would have already built that rapport with the DPE having seen them day in and day out for the past X amount of months, it would potentially lead to a more positive experience.

Catherine, Ian, and Manny and whoever else wants in on this.

-What is the pass rate on checkrides at Ari? Are students for the most part well prepared for their checkrides giving the school and instructors a high success rate? I know that it depends on the instructors and the students but it also has alot to do with the school and environment and the type of program they run. I have heard of alot of other people on this forum (not Ari, but JC in general) having hard times with their instrument rides and CFI rides, same goes for Ari or not?

Just thought i would throw this out there looking for your overall impression of the DPE situation and or FSDO and inquire as to your experiences in success rates.

Jamal · July 1st, 2006, 18:50

Hey USMC SGT.

To awnser your question At ari-ben we have 4 Examiners that students go to you can pick which one when u schedule for your Checkrides. We dont have Inhouse Examiners, but are very fortunate to have a wonderful and experianced chief pilot that conduct stage checks if u pass his stage check u can basically pass the checkride unless u screw up on the ride.

The examiners all try to be fair and for the most part they are but some have a lower pass rate than others, but from what i see and hear we have a pretty good pass rate thanks to well trained instructors..

as for the Instrument and CFI again the stage checks help out alot there is 4 of them during the instrument so its like taking 4 Checkrides before the big one so most of the IR guys pass. hope this awnsers all ur questions.

Catherine · July 2nd, 2006, 02:02

Well, Jamal is correct for the multi-private and for the instrument for us non-VA people and correct for the VA people. The VA program is run 141 and thus you'll be doing end of course checks with the chief pilot before your checkride for each rating as I understand that program. For me, after instrument I was finished with 141 through the end of my training.

I've done very well so far (knock on wood) with my checkrides, although I'm doing my MEI with someone who isn't a regular at the school as it is my initial and you go through all that paperwork with the FAA.

You are used to attention to detail, keep that up here and you'll do well with your checkrides if you're prepared. There is usually some gouge running around for each examiner on each checkride so you get an idea what to expect, but whether you can remember everything and use it when the checkride comes is another story.

Frankly, I wouldn't guess as to the exact pass/fail rate here, I know there are failures and I know there are passes. Some of the failures are for really, really silly things like forgetting to check the checklist before landing or not doing clearing turns before executing a maneuver. It gets to be somewhat stressful knowing you're spending $300 and want to do well with all this knowledge that you've had to absorb and you don't want to mess up. I would say that the students here are well prepared for them, but hey, sometimes we have bad days, sometimes we weren't as ready as we thought we were and something bites us. It happens. I would say that overall the pass rate is pretty good as students are pretty well prepared for the rides, but I have no exact figures for you.

The initial CFI (MEI here) and the instrument rating are probably in many ways the two hardest checkrides you will have. They take things to a different level and also offer a bunch of new material for each...or a new way in which you have to offer up your knowledge. In some ways the PPL is also very hard in that you are just starting on the aviation journey and have to absorb everything out there and the others you are building on that knowledge and refreshing it. It's extremely satisfying to finish instrument....40 hours of not seeing out of the plane and using foggles and the blessed rare occasion that you get actual do get frustrating at times as most of us are very low time. I loved getting actual, the hood...I'd love to burn it, but you'll pretty much use it all the way through here and there and I can inflict it on my students until they get their own! I'll hopefully know in a couple of weeks how it feels to finish the MEI/initial CFI!!! 13th and 14th of July is my checkride...oral one day and the flight the next.

maverick2 · July 2nd, 2006, 07:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catherine

The initial CFI (MEI here) and the instrument rating are probably in many ways the two hardest checkrides you will have. They take things to a different level and also offer a bunch of new material for each...or a new way in which you have to offer up your knowledge. In some ways the PPL is also very hard in that you are just starting on the aviation journey and have to absorb everything out there and the others you are building on that knowledge and refreshing it. It's extremely satisfying to finish instrument....40 hours of not seeing out of the plane and using foggles and the blessed rare occasion that you get actual do get frustrating at times as most of us are very low time. I loved getting actual, the hood...I'd love to burn it, but you'll pretty much use it all the way through here and there and I can inflict it on my students until they get their own! I'll hopefully know in a couple of weeks how it feels to finish the MEI/initial CFI!!! 13th and 14th of July is my checkride...oral one day and the flight the next.

I'm sure Cat is gonna ask me for the gouge after my initial CFI checkride on the 5th and 6th

. USMC, I just finished the 141 MEI course and my last stage check for it I had to do a mock oral and flight exam with the chief pilot. The mock oral was nearly five hours and the flight was 2 hours, and trust me, I feel very confident for my checkride right now. I felt confident in all my checkrides except the private single which was done 61. However, I would say I was overconfident for my instrument checkride that I made a bonehead mistake. I hope I dont get that way for my upcoming checkride.
So stay tuned for an update on my thread.

USMC, PM me if you have any questions about the VA course, I'm happy to help.

USMC-SGT · July 2nd, 2006, 10:09

Thank you everyone for the responses, just what i was looking for.

I am with you on the private checkride and the instrument. I did both 61 and i was very nervous on the Pvt but i had an incredible DPE (GV pilot w/24,000 hrs) the oral lasted 4 hours but i would venture to say that over 2 of it was him and I talking about the Marines and old times. The checks with the chief pilot will be nice, I usually know when i am ready for a checride but it is nice to have that little bit of assurance and the oppurtunity to catch any loose ends that i might have.

I am guessing when i get there I will have probably a hair over or under 200 hrs. I have somewhere around 150 now with ASEL with instrument, and complex and high performance and tailwheel add ons so I am assuming that i will jump right into CMEL, does that sound about right?

I am pretty excited to get out of Iraq and get back to the states to do some flying in preparation for coming to the school and knocking this stuff out. I am putting some pretty heavy goals on myself because i am shooting for an under three month finish. All of my writtens will be done and i will dedicate 5-6 days per week with 2 a day flights until i can finish the CMEL CSEL CFII MEI ratings, it shouldnt be impossible. I talked to Mike and he said that I should plan on 156 hours for the ratings i need plus or minus a small handfull.

Mav, I will keep you in mind if any questions arise. I think Ian did the 141 course too and he has helped out a bit as well.

Someone tell Mike to get the Cub up and running, i would love to do some open door tailwheel flying when i get there, it will certainly be easier then finding another FBO to rent their tailwheels which will probably be overpriced. I have around 30 hours or so of Citabria time doing spins and acro and just messing around and it will be a bummer to have to hang up the tailwheel for a few months.

be76flyer · September 10th, 2006, 11:59

Students can no longer pick the DPE they take there checkrides with. The school will tell you a few days before your checkride who you are going on the ride with.

greaper007 · September 10th, 2006, 18:19

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be76flyer · September 10th, 2006, 20:50

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July 1st, 2006, 15:14	#1
USMC-SGT Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: East Posts: 1,173	Ari and DPE's Thought i would throw this out there since it will pertain to me if i EVER get out of Iraq! I know some schools have DPE's that they traditionally use because they are local and have built a good relationship with the school. Is this similiar withi Ari? Does Ari typically use X amount of DPE's religiously or is it a crapshoot meaning that you call around and just get who you get. I would imagine that the benefit would be in favor of having a DPE that is with a school for a while and has built a relationship that would ease some of the stress of a checkride, if that is really possible. I also know of some 141 schools that have an in house DPE which in my oppinion would probably be the best scenario because not that they would be any easier on you, but you would have already built that rapport with the DPE having seen them day in and day out for the past X amount of months, it would potentially lead to a more positive experience. Catherine, Ian, and Manny and whoever else wants in on this. -What is the pass rate on checkrides at Ari? Are students for the most part well prepared for their checkrides giving the school and instructors a high success rate? I know that it depends on the instructors and the students but it also has alot to do with the school and environment and the type of program they run. I have heard of alot of other people on this forum (not Ari, but JC in general) having hard times with their instrument rides and CFI rides, same goes for Ari or not? Just thought i would throw this out there looking for your overall impression of the DPE situation and or FSDO and inquire as to your experiences in success rates. __________________ .....i have two speeds, walk and kill

July 1st, 2006, 18:50	#2
Jamal Newbie Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 24	Re: Ari and DPE's Hey USMC SGT. To awnser your question At ari-ben we have 4 Examiners that students go to you can pick which one when u schedule for your Checkrides. We dont have Inhouse Examiners, but are very fortunate to have a wonderful and experianced chief pilot that conduct stage checks if u pass his stage check u can basically pass the checkride unless u screw up on the ride. The examiners all try to be fair and for the most part they are but some have a lower pass rate than others, but from what i see and hear we have a pretty good pass rate thanks to well trained instructors.. as for the Instrument and CFI again the stage checks help out alot there is 4 of them during the instrument so its like taking 4 Checkrides before the big one so most of the IR guys pass. hope this awnsers all ur questions.

July 2nd, 2006, 02:02	#3
Catherine Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 149	Re: Ari and DPE's Well, Jamal is correct for the multi-private and for the instrument for us non-VA people and correct for the VA people. The VA program is run 141 and thus you'll be doing end of course checks with the chief pilot before your checkride for each rating as I understand that program. For me, after instrument I was finished with 141 through the end of my training. I've done very well so far (knock on wood) with my checkrides, although I'm doing my MEI with someone who isn't a regular at the school as it is my initial and you go through all that paperwork with the FAA. You are used to attention to detail, keep that up here and you'll do well with your checkrides if you're prepared. There is usually some gouge running around for each examiner on each checkride so you get an idea what to expect, but whether you can remember everything and use it when the checkride comes is another story. Frankly, I wouldn't guess as to the exact pass/fail rate here, I know there are failures and I know there are passes. Some of the failures are for really, really silly things like forgetting to check the checklist before landing or not doing clearing turns before executing a maneuver. It gets to be somewhat stressful knowing you're spending $300 and want to do well with all this knowledge that you've had to absorb and you don't want to mess up. I would say that the students here are well prepared for them, but hey, sometimes we have bad days, sometimes we weren't as ready as we thought we were and something bites us. It happens. I would say that overall the pass rate is pretty good as students are pretty well prepared for the rides, but I have no exact figures for you. The initial CFI (MEI here) and the instrument rating are probably in many ways the two hardest checkrides you will have. They take things to a different level and also offer a bunch of new material for each...or a new way in which you have to offer up your knowledge. In some ways the PPL is also very hard in that you are just starting on the aviation journey and have to absorb everything out there and the others you are building on that knowledge and refreshing it. It's extremely satisfying to finish instrument....40 hours of not seeing out of the plane and using foggles and the blessed rare occasion that you get actual do get frustrating at times as most of us are very low time. I loved getting actual, the hood...I'd love to burn it, but you'll pretty much use it all the way through here and there and I can inflict it on my students until they get their own! I'll hopefully know in a couple of weeks how it feels to finish the MEI/initial CFI!!! 13th and 14th of July is my checkride...oral one day and the flight the next. __________________ Catherine "A pilot can't help second-guessing every other pilot; it's an occupational disease. Sorry" Richard Ames, THE CAT WHO WALKS THROUGH WALLS Instructor at Ari Ben Aviator

July 2nd, 2006, 10:09	#5
USMC-SGT Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: East Posts: 1,173	Re: Ari and DPE's Thank you everyone for the responses, just what i was looking for. I am with you on the private checkride and the instrument. I did both 61 and i was very nervous on the Pvt but i had an incredible DPE (GV pilot w/24,000 hrs) the oral lasted 4 hours but i would venture to say that over 2 of it was him and I talking about the Marines and old times. The checks with the chief pilot will be nice, I usually know when i am ready for a checride but it is nice to have that little bit of assurance and the oppurtunity to catch any loose ends that i might have. I am guessing when i get there I will have probably a hair over or under 200 hrs. I have somewhere around 150 now with ASEL with instrument, and complex and high performance and tailwheel add ons so I am assuming that i will jump right into CMEL, does that sound about right? I am pretty excited to get out of Iraq and get back to the states to do some flying in preparation for coming to the school and knocking this stuff out. I am putting some pretty heavy goals on myself because i am shooting for an under three month finish. All of my writtens will be done and i will dedicate 5-6 days per week with 2 a day flights until i can finish the CMEL CSEL CFII MEI ratings, it shouldnt be impossible. I talked to Mike and he said that I should plan on 156 hours for the ratings i need plus or minus a small handfull. Mav, I will keep you in mind if any questions arise. I think Ian did the 141 course too and he has helped out a bit as well. Someone tell Mike to get the Cub up and running, i would love to do some open door tailwheel flying when i get there, it will certainly be easier then finding another FBO to rent their tailwheels which will probably be overpriced. I have around 30 hours or so of Citabria time doing spins and acro and just messing around and it will be a bummer to have to hang up the tailwheel for a few months. __________________ .....i have two speeds, walk and kill

September 10th, 2006, 11:59	#6
be76flyer Newbie Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5	Re: Ari and DPE's Students can no longer pick the DPE they take there checkrides with. The school will tell you a few days before your checkride who you are going on the ride with.

September 10th, 2006, 18:19	#7
greaper007 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Hartford, Ct Posts: 1,128	Re: Ari and DPE's Is be76 the new Florida Flyer? __________________ <<<<<Hunter S. Thompson extends the Gonzo concept to flying.

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