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blee256 · March 12th, 2003, 11:45

Hey Cmartin,
Have you visited Ari Ben? what did you think of the campus?

-Brian

pure_IMC · March 12th, 2003, 14:46

I beleive alot of that 200 hours is second in command time. I could be wrong though. If thats true, its worthless.

blee256 · March 12th, 2003, 14:53

pure IMC, are you talking about ATP or aviator?

-Brian

**DONOTDELETE** · March 12th, 2003, 14:56

not get any experience flying the plane?

bumflip · March 12th, 2003, 15:01

Luftpost · March 12th, 2003, 15:10

[ QUOTE ]
I beleive alot of that 200 hours is second in command time. I could be wrong though.

[/ QUOTE ]

Dead Wrong!

pure_IMC · March 12th, 2003, 16:57

If you noticed my reply, I said I could be wrong though. Easy guys...

bumflip · March 12th, 2003, 17:11

robair73 · March 12th, 2003, 19:00

I visited Ari-Ben. It's a very humble abode to say the least. It's a little brown building with lots of people in it. It's very small and shabby but functional. The planes are a little dated as well.

bumflip · March 12th, 2003, 19:17

robair73 · March 12th, 2003, 19:23

I know. You can't expect high quality and sate of the art for the price they offer.

arizonaflyer · March 12th, 2003, 23:41

The planes are a little dated as well

who really cares how old the planes are?
my instructor still owns the first cessna she ever bought some 30 some years ago. and for some reason i seem to believe her when she says she would rather fly a 30 year old plane that has regular mx than a newer plane that hasn't had the bugs worked out of.
just my .02

future pilot out-

robair73 · March 13th, 2003, 09:09

It's not a knock against the school. It's the only way Ari-Ben can be as affordable as it is. It has to use older equipment and small buildings to keep the overhead down. God bless Ari-ben for offering flight training at a reasonable price. As I said before, Ari-ben is my backup. Don't be so defensive people. jeez. So the planes are old. They are old and clunky. Big deal. That's what they are. As long as they fly, that's all that matters.

**DONOTDELETE** · March 13th, 2003, 20:42

Uhh, Christian-

You certainly can log SIC in a Dutchess.

You must be a multi-rated private pilot assuming the duties of SIC in a properly [properly, not SOA] equipped machine, when operating under the regs that require two pilots on board.

When you're a safety pilot that has not also assumed the responsibility of PIC, you're... SIC.

Of course, you will learn all about this sooner or later.

expendableone · March 13th, 2003, 20:44

Went to Pan Scam, wish I went to Aviator. Heard from MANY that Currently attend, that it is worth every penny. Just an observation.

robair73 · March 13th, 2003, 23:15

Dude, all you had to do is walk across the airfield.

Dubbs42 · March 13th, 2003, 23:56

He's got a point there buddy!...sorry

pure_IMC · March 15th, 2003, 21:12

you cant log SIC if the plane is certificated for single pilot ops. If you are safety pilot, you log PIC, if you are properly rated.

March 12th, 2003, 08:18	#1
bumflip Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Frisco, TX Posts: 314	Post deleted by Doug Taylor

March 12th, 2003, 11:45	#2
blee256 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: lower canada Posts: 1,667	Re: \"Of the 190 Hours at ATP, 50 is SIM Time!\" Hey Cmartin, Have you visited Ari Ben? what did you think of the campus? -Brian

March 12th, 2003, 14:46	#3
pure_IMC Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vero Beach, FL Posts: 181	Re: \"Of the 190 Hours at ATP, 50 is SIM Time!\" I beleive alot of that 200 hours is second in command time. I could be wrong though. If thats true, its worthless.

March 12th, 2003, 14:53	#4
blee256 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: lower canada Posts: 1,667	Re: \"Of the 190 Hours at ATP, 50 is SIM Time!\" pure IMC, are you talking about ATP or aviator? -Brian

March 12th, 2003, 14:56	#5
DONOTDELETE Senior Member Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 883	Re: Does the Second in Command not get any experience flying the plane?

March 12th, 2003, 15:01	#6
bumflip Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Frisco, TX Posts: 314	Post deleted by Doug Taylor

March 12th, 2003, 15:10	#7
Luftpost Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Missouri Posts: 89	Re: \"Of the 190 Hours at ATP, 50 is SIM Time!\" [ QUOTE ] I beleive alot of that 200 hours is second in command time. I could be wrong though. [/ QUOTE ] Dead Wrong!

March 12th, 2003, 16:57	#8
pure_IMC Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vero Beach, FL Posts: 181	Re: \"Of the 190 Hours at ATP, 50 is SIM Time!\" If you noticed my reply, I said I could be wrong though. Easy guys...

March 12th, 2003, 17:11	#9
bumflip Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Frisco, TX Posts: 314	Post deleted by Doug Taylor

March 12th, 2003, 19:00	#10
robair73 Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Chi town Posts: 521	Re: \"Of the 190 Hours at ATP, 50 is SIM Time!\" I visited Ari-Ben. It's a very humble abode to say the least. It's a little brown building with lots of people in it. It's very small and shabby but functional. The planes are a little dated as well.

March 12th, 2003, 19:17	#11
bumflip Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Frisco, TX Posts: 314	Post deleted by Doug Taylor

March 12th, 2003, 19:23	#12
robair73 Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Chi town Posts: 521	Re: \"Of the 190 Hours at ATP, 50 is SIM Time!\" I know. You can't expect high quality and sate of the art for the price they offer.

March 12th, 2003, 23:41	#13
arizonaflyer Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: arizona Posts: 54	Re: \"Of the 190 Hours at ATP, 50 is SIM Time!\" The planes are a little dated as well who really cares how old the planes are? my instructor still owns the first cessna she ever bought some 30 some years ago. and for some reason i seem to believe her when she says she would rather fly a 30 year old plane that has regular mx than a newer plane that hasn't had the bugs worked out of. just my .02 future pilot out-

March 13th, 2003, 09:09	#14
robair73 Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Chi town Posts: 521	Re: \"Of the 190 Hours at ATP, 50 is SIM Time!\" It's not a knock against the school. It's the only way Ari-Ben can be as affordable as it is. It has to use older equipment and small buildings to keep the overhead down. God bless Ari-ben for offering flight training at a reasonable price. As I said before, Ari-ben is my backup. Don't be so defensive people. jeez. So the planes are old. They are old and clunky. Big deal. That's what they are. As long as they fly, that's all that matters.

March 13th, 2003, 20:42	#15
DONOTDELETE Senior Member Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 883	Re: \"Of the 190 Hours at ATP, 50 is SIM Time!\" Uhh, Christian- You certainly can log SIC in a Dutchess. You must be a multi-rated private pilot assuming the duties of SIC in a properly [properly, not SOA] equipped machine, when operating under the regs that require two pilots on board. When you're a safety pilot that has not also assumed the responsibility of PIC, you're... SIC. Of course, you will learn all about this sooner or later.

March 13th, 2003, 20:44	#16
expendableone Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 23	Re: \"Of the 190 Hours at ATP, 50 is SIM Time!\" Went to Pan Scam, wish I went to Aviator. Heard from MANY that Currently attend, that it is worth every penny. Just an observation.

March 13th, 2003, 23:15	#17
robair73 Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Chi town Posts: 521	Re: \"Of the 190 Hours at ATP, 50 is SIM Time!\" Dude, all you had to do is walk across the airfield.

March 13th, 2003, 23:56	#18
Dubbs42 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 81	Re: \"Of the 190 Hours at ATP, 50 is SIM Time!\" He's got a point there buddy!...sorry

March 15th, 2003, 21:12	#19
pure_IMC Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vero Beach, FL Posts: 181	Re: \"Of the 190 Hours at ATP, 50 is SIM Time!\" you cant log SIC if the plane is certificated for single pilot ops. If you are safety pilot, you log PIC, if you are properly rated.

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