Pre-Passing PPL Ground School before joining AriBen

FrequentFlyer · February 15th, 2006, 12:42

Greetings to all you fellow aviators,

I have been 'lurking' in the background of the AriBen forum for a while now and have read some great posts about the school by names such as Catherine, AI, S.T and the many other wonderful contributors to this forum. I have equally read the other 'balanced' posts about the school.

Well this is my first post so here goes..I'll try and keep it short

I am 26 years old and live in the UK I have been researching the hundreds of schools based in the U.S, particularly in the Florida area i.e. F.S.A, EFT etc.

Aviation has always been 'my calling' and I have been looking at the AriBen Pro Pilot Program. I have spoken with a few people and they talk highly of the school, however it is constantly re-iterated to visit the school yourself!

A problem if your some what across the other end of the Atlantic, however I will take dedicate a 2 week trip to visit each school.

AriBen is on my shortlist of schools to commence flying training, and I have been the Sherlock Holmes of research when it comes to finding out as much information as possible! Having spoken with Mike regarding some questions, I am still a bit 'empty' on the level of response received, so hopefully a current student or instructor at the school may be able to help?

I hope to start the PPL on Part 141, however to speed up the process part of my intentions include 'clearing' the ground school in the UK by self-study using Part 141 PPL Study Pack and taking the ground school at a CAT Centre in the UK. The logic behind doing it this way is that it will allow me more time to spend learning the skills necessary in the aircraft.

I would obviously be happy to go over 'any recap' in terms of the ground school or just sit in on classes etc whilst I am training as a refresher etc.

So my questions then..

1) Is pre-passing the ground school in the UK accepted by the school/instructors?
2) Would I be creating any problems for myself if I did this?
3) Would I need to obtain prior permission?

I would then come back to the UK and apply for the J1 and then be back for the start of the Pro Course.

Any advice, comments, suggestions etc about the school, course and the specific questions above would be appreciated

Thanks

FF

AP2B · February 15th, 2006, 15:01

From what I've read on the aviator's forums Ari Ben is largly a self study type school(no spoon fed knowledge). That might have changed some with the implementation of part 141 training. I would definitely advise you knock the written out. As you stated, you'll be able to focus on applying what you've learned(flying). Good luck to you and welcome to the forums. Maybe I'll see you in FL one day.

S.T.Aviator · February 15th, 2006, 18:54

Welcome to the forum FF. I believe the PPL is only available Part 61
but you might want to double check that.

FrequentFlyer · February 16th, 2006, 17:08

Thanks for the response guys.

I emailed Mike and he said that the PPL is Part 61 or Part 141, I am assumming I get a choice? Which route do most people opt for 61 or 141?

Is anyone able to comment on what would happen if I pre-cleared the ground school (i.e. will any of the management of the school have any problems and tell me to do it again?)

Maybe Cindy can answer this one...

I'm not sure as I am still waiting for my copy of the FAR/AIM 2006 but I think Part 141 stipulates that you must do PPL Groundschool with the FTO?

This might be a silly question now but what the heck, as the training for the PPL is done on the Duchess '76, so does this mean that I need some specfic training materials for the PPL Groundschool for the '76 or can I just get the Jeppensen or Sporty's PPL Material..

http://www.sportys.com/courses/private.cfm

http://www.jeppesen.com/wlcs/applica...t_type=details

Any recommendations as to which material to use (if the school has a specific preference etc)

Can some one maybe help me out here and 'enlighten' me or point me to where I can get the information.

Thanks

FF

hattrick · February 16th, 2006, 18:31

the ppl initial training is done in a C-172. then you go to the duchess (BE-76) for your private multi-engine add on. as far as doing your groundschool prior to arriving, go for it. part 141 does require groundschool to be done at that training center in accordance with their TCO. however the more you know the easier it will be for you to grasp the info and it will just be more of a review. in order to pass the FAA written test you do not need to have a airplane POH (pilot operating handbook) the questions do not cover specific aircraft. as far as part 61 vs. 141 it really doesnt make much of a difference in my opinion. if you have all your groundschool done then technically you dont have to do any for pt 61 however your instructors going to go over it anyway to make sure you know it. so basically you will cover it either way, its just really nice for you and the instructor if you already have a grasp on whats going on. as far as the hour requirements go, pt-61 =40hrs whereas pt-141 =35hrs. so 141 is a little less but honestly your almost always going to be higher than 35hrs so even if you are doing really well and end up with say 37 hrs then go solo a couple more hours and build some confidence it wont hurt one bit. you may be able to tell im not a fan of part 141 private training even though thats what the school im teaching at right now does. but thats just my humble opinion so take it for what it is. anyway yeah start studying now. i had my groundschool and written done prior to going to the aviator and it really help out. the jep books are great for the private. the textbook and the faa question bank book will get you ahead of the game and youll be able to pass the knowledge test no problem after studying them. anyway got to go fly so im done rambling. good luck

February 15th, 2006, 12:42	#1
FrequentFlyer Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 15	Pre-Passing PPL Ground School before joining AriBen Greetings to all you fellow aviators, I have been 'lurking' in the background of the AriBen forum for a while now and have read some great posts about the school by names such as Catherine, AI, S.T and the many other wonderful contributors to this forum. I have equally read the other 'balanced' posts about the school. Well this is my first post so here goes..I'll try and keep it short I am 26 years old and live in the UK I have been researching the hundreds of schools based in the U.S, particularly in the Florida area i.e. F.S.A, EFT etc. Aviation has always been 'my calling' and I have been looking at the AriBen Pro Pilot Program. I have spoken with a few people and they talk highly of the school, however it is constantly re-iterated to visit the school yourself! A problem if your some what across the other end of the Atlantic, however I will take dedicate a 2 week trip to visit each school. AriBen is on my shortlist of schools to commence flying training, and I have been the Sherlock Holmes of research when it comes to finding out as much information as possible! Having spoken with Mike regarding some questions, I am still a bit 'empty' on the level of response received, so hopefully a current student or instructor at the school may be able to help? I hope to start the PPL on Part 141, however to speed up the process part of my intentions include 'clearing' the ground school in the UK by self-study using Part 141 PPL Study Pack and taking the ground school at a CAT Centre in the UK. The logic behind doing it this way is that it will allow me more time to spend learning the skills necessary in the aircraft. I would obviously be happy to go over 'any recap' in terms of the ground school or just sit in on classes etc whilst I am training as a refresher etc. So my questions then.. 1) Is pre-passing the ground school in the UK accepted by the school/instructors? 2) Would I be creating any problems for myself if I did this? 3) Would I need to obtain prior permission? I would then come back to the UK and apply for the J1 and then be back for the start of the Pro Course. Any advice, comments, suggestions etc about the school, course and the specific questions above would be appreciated Thanks FF

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February 15th, 2006, 15:01	#2
AP2B Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The IND SOC / TYQ Posts: 661	From what I've read on the aviator's forums Ari Ben is largly a self study type school(no spoon fed knowledge). That might have changed some with the implementation of part 141 training. I would definitely advise you knock the written out. As you stated, you'll be able to focus on applying what you've learned(flying). Good luck to you and welcome to the forums. Maybe I'll see you in FL one day.

February 15th, 2006, 18:54	#3
S.T.Aviator Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: . Posts: 466	Welcome to the forum FF. I believe the PPL is only available Part 61 but you might want to double check that.

February 16th, 2006, 17:08	#4
FrequentFlyer Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 15	Thanks for the response guys. I emailed Mike and he said that the PPL is Part 61 or Part 141, I am assumming I get a choice? Which route do most people opt for 61 or 141? Is anyone able to comment on what would happen if I pre-cleared the ground school (i.e. will any of the management of the school have any problems and tell me to do it again?) Maybe Cindy can answer this one... I'm not sure as I am still waiting for my copy of the FAR/AIM 2006 but I think Part 141 stipulates that you must do PPL Groundschool with the FTO? This might be a silly question now but what the heck, as the training for the PPL is done on the Duchess '76, so does this mean that I need some specfic training materials for the PPL Groundschool for the '76 or can I just get the Jeppensen or Sporty's PPL Material.. http://www.sportys.com/courses/private.cfm http://www.jeppesen.com/wlcs/applica...t_type=details Any recommendations as to which material to use (if the school has a specific preference etc) Can some one maybe help me out here and 'enlighten' me or point me to where I can get the information. Thanks FF

February 16th, 2006, 18:31	#5
hattrick Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: farther north than the rest of you Posts: 317	the ppl initial training is done in a C-172. then you go to the duchess (BE-76) for your private multi-engine add on. as far as doing your groundschool prior to arriving, go for it. part 141 does require groundschool to be done at that training center in accordance with their TCO. however the more you know the easier it will be for you to grasp the info and it will just be more of a review. in order to pass the FAA written test you do not need to have a airplane POH (pilot operating handbook) the questions do not cover specific aircraft. as far as part 61 vs. 141 it really doesnt make much of a difference in my opinion. if you have all your groundschool done then technically you dont have to do any for pt 61 however your instructors going to go over it anyway to make sure you know it. so basically you will cover it either way, its just really nice for you and the instructor if you already have a grasp on whats going on. as far as the hour requirements go, pt-61 =40hrs whereas pt-141 =35hrs. so 141 is a little less but honestly your almost always going to be higher than 35hrs so even if you are doing really well and end up with say 37 hrs then go solo a couple more hours and build some confidence it wont hurt one bit. you may be able to tell im not a fan of part 141 private training even though thats what the school im teaching at right now does. but thats just my humble opinion so take it for what it is. anyway yeah start studying now. i had my groundschool and written done prior to going to the aviator and it really help out. the jep books are great for the private. the textbook and the faa question bank book will get you ahead of the game and youll be able to pass the knowledge test no problem after studying them. anyway got to go fly so im done rambling. good luck