Visa Application Form...

Mountain Flying · February 8th, 2006, 20:15

Ok so Im filling out 3 DS Forms to get my Visa done So I can leave this week.

Its asking me to put a address where I will reside in the USA... What did other people put down there?

Monty?

Thanks

NickH · February 8th, 2006, 20:22

I just had my visa interview today!

I put Ari-Bens address from the contact me page.

S.T.Aviator · February 8th, 2006, 20:28

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Originally Posted by Mountain Flying

Ok so Im filling out 3 DS Forms to get my Visa done So I can leave this week.

Its asking me to put a address where I will reside in the USA... What did other people put down there?

Monty?

Thanks

Where are you from MF??

Mountain Flying · February 8th, 2006, 21:16

Kelowna, BC Canada. I just have to goto the boarder to get them to file everythng and stamp my passport. I will be doing that hopefully tommorow because my passport is to be here. I got a plane ticket Feb 21st So hopefully no delays, then im going to meet my parents in orlando and have 3-4 days of relaxing before heading to the school.

Thanks for the info on the address

NickH · February 9th, 2006, 11:41

I'm in the UK, so I guess it's more complicated for me. I had to go to the Embassy and be interviewed by an official, and then they will send my passport back to me in a week.

Mountain Flying · February 9th, 2006, 17:58

Okay I got all the Information in the PM's Thanks Everyone. Going to the Boarder to get the Visa Today...

Thanks

Mountain Flying · February 10th, 2006, 16:42

Well went to the boarder and they said that All I have to do is bring my DS2017 Form when I come down to cross the boarder and theyll take fingerprints and issue the visa in about 20 minutes... So I guess it isnt as big of a pain as I thought it would be originally..

Note this is ONLY for people who are CANADIAN Citizens

KeithWilliams · February 11th, 2006, 06:28

Hy,

how do you guys handle the TSA application form.(description of course)

Take a look at that:

"Candidates are required to request AFSP approval for training on an aircraft below 12,500 lbs. for the following three training events:
? An initial pilot?s license of any type
? Multi-Engine Land (MEL)
? Instrument Rating (IR)
For all other training events for aircraft below 12,500 lbs, you are NOT required to submit an application to AFSP. You must submit an individual request for each of the three training events mentioned above. Courses that combine any of these three training events must submit an individual training request for each training event. Any training request that indicates more than one of these three training events in the same application is invalid and will not be approved by AFSP. You must pay the processing fee for each additional training request. Only submit fingerprints once."

So do I need to submit for every licence a new application? (pro course)
That would mean paying $130 for each one.

Commercial single engine
multi-engine add on
IR
CFI intial

Can anyone shed some light on this- much appreciated

Mountain Flying · February 11th, 2006, 16:47

Ya i hear what you mean, For myself im taking hte pro course and I only have to submit one training request, In the field when you are filling the application you enter PRO COURSE 01 and ARI BEN AVIATOR INC.

have2no · February 11th, 2006, 17:07

Keith,
I just had the exact same problem, I got really frustrated how unfair this system is, so I wrote to them and here's what they answered:
"Your training request cannot be for a “Professional Pilot Program.”
You will need to submit two separate training requests. One of them will list Multi-Engine Land as the course name and description, and one will list Instrument Rating as the course name and description.
Unfortunately, you will need to pay the processing fee twice. At this time, we do not accept training requests with multiple type ratings listed."

D

Mountain Flying · February 11th, 2006, 17:10

Weird, Im only paying once but maybe cause im from canada????

KeithWilliams · February 11th, 2006, 18:06

Thanks for your replies.

@have2no:

Why don`t you have to submit it 3 times?
One for the multi, the other for the IR, and one more for the commercial. I think a commercial is a stand alone licence. That makes a total of $390.
I`m not quite sure about the instructor certificates...

Anyway thanks for your help.

johnd1982 · February 11th, 2006, 23:28

I'm from Ireland, I did my course last aug/sept, and i only filed one application, i just listed all the courses on one application! Worked for me!
I did my private multi add-on, instrument, comm multi & comm single add-on! I did them all within 4 weeks. I believe there is a thing about the approval is only valid for 180days, so that may have something to do with it, but they accepted mine all on one application,
Hope this helps!

have2no · February 14th, 2006, 17:12

Keith,
According to AFSP "For a Category 3 training request, you need to register only for your initial license, for a multi-engine rating, or an instrument rating." I already have a PPL, that's my initial license, so I don't have to pay for it.
Thay say: "For any other type rating on an aircraft with MTOW under 12,500 lbs., you do not need to fill out a training request." So I guess it means that you don't have to pay for the commercial.
Hope I'm right!

Mountain Flying · February 14th, 2006, 19:03

Got a few emails, If they send your request back and ask you to fill out the individual applications for each course, MEL and IR ... Im not sure if youd have to pay 260 tho or just the 130...

CommPilot76 · February 15th, 2006, 18:32

For those of you that are looking for more information regarding the TSA application the Course description should be Pro_01 this will cover you for all of the ratings involved with the pro course and you will only have to pay once. If you have any further questions please feel free to IM me and I will do my best to answer your questions I will also work on having the website updated within a day or 2 with a more accurate description of what is needed.

have2no · February 15th, 2006, 19:03

CommPilot76,
I know it's the way it should be, it's also what Mike told me.
But unfortunately the people at AFSP don't agree.
I have already quoted the reply I got from their official e-mail helpdesk (afsp.Help@dhs.gov) in post #10.
Now according to the interpretation of 49 CFR part 1552: ... alien provides certain information to TSA. TSA uses that information to perform a threat assessment of each alien, and an alien is required to submit a fee for each threat assessment. ... TSA has determined that three types of training substantially enhance piloting skills, and thus should be subject to the threat assessment requirements. The first is training that a candidate could use toward a recreational, sport, or private pilot certificate because such training provides a candidate with basic piloting skills. The second is training that a candidate could use toward a multiengine rating because such training provides a pilot access to larger, faster aircraft. The third is training that a candidate could use toward an instrument rating because such training enhances a pilot's abilities to pilot an aircraft in bad weather and enables a pilot to better understand the instruments and physiological experiences of flying without reference to visual cues outside the aircraft.
Here's the entire document: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p80/310342.pdf
I think it could be useful to clarify it with TSA and then update the website.
Thanks!
An Alien

Mountain Flying · February 20th, 2006, 17:51

Well Ill let you know how it all works out with the TSA etc. I'm going down today to toronto, then orlando will be at school by friday most likely. See ya everyone

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February 8th, 2006, 20:15	#1
Mountain Flying Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 95	Visa Application Form... Ok so Im filling out 3 DS Forms to get my Visa done So I can leave this week. Its asking me to put a address where I will reside in the USA... What did other people put down there? Monty? Thanks

February 8th, 2006, 20:22	#2
NickH Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 709	I just had my visa interview today! I put Ari-Bens address from the contact me page.

February 8th, 2006, 21:16	#4
Mountain Flying Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 95	Kelowna, BC Canada. I just have to goto the boarder to get them to file everythng and stamp my passport. I will be doing that hopefully tommorow because my passport is to be here. I got a plane ticket Feb 21st So hopefully no delays, then im going to meet my parents in orlando and have 3-4 days of relaxing before heading to the school. Thanks for the info on the address

February 9th, 2006, 11:41	#5
NickH Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 709	I'm in the UK, so I guess it's more complicated for me. I had to go to the Embassy and be interviewed by an official, and then they will send my passport back to me in a week.

February 9th, 2006, 17:58	#6
Mountain Flying Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 95	Okay I got all the Information in the PM's Thanks Everyone. Going to the Boarder to get the Visa Today... Thanks

February 10th, 2006, 16:42	#7
Mountain Flying Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 95	Well went to the boarder and they said that All I have to do is bring my DS2017 Form when I come down to cross the boarder and theyll take fingerprints and issue the visa in about 20 minutes... So I guess it isnt as big of a pain as I thought it would be originally.. Note this is ONLY for people who are CANADIAN Citizens

February 11th, 2006, 06:28	#8
KeithWilliams Newbie Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4	Hy, how do you guys handle the TSA application form.(description of course) Take a look at that: "Candidates are required to request AFSP approval for training on an aircraft below 12,500 lbs. for the following three training events: ? An initial pilot?s license of any type ? Multi-Engine Land (MEL) ? Instrument Rating (IR) For all other training events for aircraft below 12,500 lbs, you are NOT required to submit an application to AFSP. You must submit an individual request for each of the three training events mentioned above. Courses that combine any of these three training events must submit an individual training request for each training event. Any training request that indicates more than one of these three training events in the same application is invalid and will not be approved by AFSP. You must pay the processing fee for each additional training request. Only submit fingerprints once." So do I need to submit for every licence a new application? (pro course) That would mean paying $130 for each one. Commercial single engine multi-engine add on IR CFI intial Can anyone shed some light on this- much appreciated

February 11th, 2006, 16:47	#9
Mountain Flying Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 95	Ya i hear what you mean, For myself im taking hte pro course and I only have to submit one training request, In the field when you are filling the application you enter PRO COURSE 01 and ARI BEN AVIATOR INC.

February 11th, 2006, 17:07	#10
have2no Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hungary Posts: 4	Keith, I just had the exact same problem, I got really frustrated how unfair this system is, so I wrote to them and here's what they answered: "Your training request cannot be for a “Professional Pilot Program.” You will need to submit two separate training requests. One of them will list Multi-Engine Land as the course name and description, and one will list Instrument Rating as the course name and description. Unfortunately, you will need to pay the processing fee twice. At this time, we do not accept training requests with multiple type ratings listed." D

February 11th, 2006, 17:10	#11
Mountain Flying Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 95	Weird, Im only paying once but maybe cause im from canada????

February 11th, 2006, 18:06	#12
KeithWilliams Newbie Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4	Thanks for your replies. @have2no: Why don`t you have to submit it 3 times? One for the multi, the other for the IR, and one more for the commercial. I think a commercial is a stand alone licence. That makes a total of $390. I`m not quite sure about the instructor certificates... Anyway thanks for your help.

February 11th, 2006, 23:28	#13
johnd1982 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 22	I'm from Ireland, I did my course last aug/sept, and i only filed one application, i just listed all the courses on one application! Worked for me! I did my private multi add-on, instrument, comm multi & comm single add-on! I did them all within 4 weeks. I believe there is a thing about the approval is only valid for 180days, so that may have something to do with it, but they accepted mine all on one application, Hope this helps!

February 14th, 2006, 17:12	#14
have2no Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hungary Posts: 4	Keith, According to AFSP "For a Category 3 training request, you need to register only for your initial license, for a multi-engine rating, or an instrument rating." I already have a PPL, that's my initial license, so I don't have to pay for it. Thay say: "For any other type rating on an aircraft with MTOW under 12,500 lbs., you do not need to fill out a training request." So I guess it means that you don't have to pay for the commercial. Hope I'm right!

February 14th, 2006, 19:03	#15
Mountain Flying Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 95	Got a few emails, If they send your request back and ask you to fill out the individual applications for each course, MEL and IR ... Im not sure if youd have to pay 260 tho or just the 130...

February 15th, 2006, 18:32	#16
CommPilot76 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 52	For those of you that are looking for more information regarding the TSA application the Course description should be Pro_01 this will cover you for all of the ratings involved with the pro course and you will only have to pay once. If you have any further questions please feel free to IM me and I will do my best to answer your questions I will also work on having the website updated within a day or 2 with a more accurate description of what is needed.

February 15th, 2006, 19:03	#17
have2no Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hungary Posts: 4	CommPilot76, I know it's the way it should be, it's also what Mike told me. But unfortunately the people at AFSP don't agree. I have already quoted the reply I got from their official e-mail helpdesk (afsp.Help@dhs.gov) in post #10. Now according to the interpretation of 49 CFR part 1552: ... alien provides certain information to TSA. TSA uses that information to perform a threat assessment of each alien, and an alien is required to submit a fee for each threat assessment. ... TSA has determined that three types of training substantially enhance piloting skills, and thus should be subject to the threat assessment requirements. The first is training that a candidate could use toward a recreational, sport, or private pilot certificate because such training provides a candidate with basic piloting skills. The second is training that a candidate could use toward a multiengine rating because such training provides a pilot access to larger, faster aircraft. The third is training that a candidate could use toward an instrument rating because such training enhances a pilot's abilities to pilot an aircraft in bad weather and enables a pilot to better understand the instruments and physiological experiences of flying without reference to visual cues outside the aircraft. Here's the entire document: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p80/310342.pdf I think it could be useful to clarify it with TSA and then update the website. Thanks! An Alien

February 20th, 2006, 17:51	#18
Mountain Flying Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 95	Well Ill let you know how it all works out with the TSA etc. I'm going down today to toronto, then orlando will be at school by friday most likely. See ya everyone