Pan Am Diaspora?

chunk75 · January 14th, 2003, 00:32

Is there a mass exodus of students over there? I've noticed an increasing number of students coming over here to FSI.....

I hear the latest management outrage is when a student has no $$$ in his account but would be able to fly otherwise, are charged no show fees until $$$ gets put into the account. OUCH! True? Heard it straight from an recently departed student.

Chunk

pure_IMC · January 14th, 2003, 07:56

Im not sure about that, Ive been waiting for money in my account for a little bit. All I did was tell my instructor not to schedule me. I suppose if they schedule you and you dont show up they will no show you. So bottom line, just communicate.

Doug Taylor · January 14th, 2003, 10:04

Uhh, Chunk. Wrong forum.

TheFlyingTurkey · January 14th, 2003, 11:21

Chunk, broadening your vocabulary?
Websters college dictionary: Diaspora =The scattering of the Jews to countries outside of Palestine after the Babylonian captivity.

A little much dont you think? I thought all the Pan Am bashing had stopped.

The Turk.

ready2fly · January 14th, 2003, 12:00

Unless you're (a) a FSI student (b) a RIGHT wing - FAAAAR right - Republican, or (c) chunk - prepare to be bashed by chunk. It's all he's good for.

pure_IMC · January 14th, 2003, 14:22

And here I thought I was the only one that thought that all Chunk was good for was ripping on anyone EXCEPT FSI.

cime_sp · January 14th, 2003, 15:03

If you guys knew him a little better or paid attention, he will freely point out when anything is "fishy"....including things with FSI.

ready2fly · January 14th, 2003, 15:18

My contention being that if someone has NO PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE of a school other than hearsay - then they should keep their BS opinion to themselves.

Sprint100 · January 14th, 2003, 15:24

Whatever happened to "If you can't say something nice......". I do not prefer Pan Am, but leave 'em alone. I believe in informing others to beware, but bashing and gossiping....Whew.

FLDiver · January 14th, 2003, 19:00

Actually, I thought the Pan Am forum was quiet because the Pan Am admin had issued a blanket gag order NOT to post anything about Pan Am or they would lose their job or get kicked out of the academy....LMAO!!! Or, nobody had anything good to say about Pan Am so they weren't saying anything at all!!!! Just kidding guys...I couldn't resist.

Doug Taylor · January 14th, 2003, 20:31

All the above sound fine and dandy however this forum isn't here for that purpose.

That creates more work for me having to determine if a specific post was created with a legitimate question or a political motive.

So perhaps some Pan Am students have been forbidden from posting on the forum which means that even having the forum is pointless.

Do I erase the forum because it's not being properly used?

Do I leave it up and continue to allow folks that have no particular experiences with the school take pot shots?

What happens when a person that lives in Phoenix has a legitimate question about Pan Am?

Let's play "You're the webmaster".

chunk75 · January 14th, 2003, 20:59

R2F,

How did politics get involved with this? To my knowledge, I've never attacked you personally, so why don't you knock it off?!? I asked a valid question. That's all I'm good for? I guess I haven't been giving advice on this board for years?

Oh, and which part of my question is BS? Feel free to correct me where I'm wrong.

Turkey,

Not bashing at all...just verifying what I've observed (a lot of former PAIFA students at my school) and what I've been told by more than one of said students.

Oh, and "diaspora" is a historical term that can and has been used as a metaphor in modern literature. You are absolutely correct on it's origin, but that's not the only proper use of the word.

PureIMC,

Is you opinion based on your three weeks of being registered? The whole three weeks? Why don't you go search my previous posts and get perspective on me. I'm a nice guy! I only dislike schools that lie, cheat, and steal from their students. Do I 'bash' these schools? If that's how you want to characterize my exposing their true nature, then c'est la vie.

cime_sp,

Thanks.

Doug,

I have no personal experience with the management of Pan Am other than what my friends and coworkers who studied/instructed there tell me. I have noticed a large number of guys on our campus who have switched...in fact, I've seen guys in PAIFA uniform touring our campus. This is not speculation, rumor, or gossip, but things I have seen firsthand. The future of PAIFA (they're just down the road and we share a practice area) is something that I and others wonder about for no other reason than curiosity. The same curiosity that people guess at the future of airlines that they have no real stake in other than as a potential future employer. No ulterior motives, just a simple question. I do not hide the fact that I don't like their business practices. That could be my pockets being emptied. Sorry for the hubbub.

Chunk

Edited****added later. Go look at what rausda asked in "New Pipers". He made an observation and asked a question based on it. It questioned PAIFA's financial status. Did anyone jump on him for bashing? NO! As well they shouldn't have. In fact, Turk even complimented the thread for not being a bashing thread. Double standard, anyone?

pure_IMC · January 14th, 2003, 22:53

Hello Chunk,

Had to make some reply. Im not here to bash, I observe. I observe the constant hatred that comes out of your mouth when it comes to panam. You are entitiled to your opinion, I respect that, but when you constantly bad mouth all facilites except fsi, I think that stinks.

As for being registered the WHOLE 3 WEEKS, shows how much you really know, Ive been observing this site for longer than you have been registered. Just because I haven't posted as much as you, means nothing. Believe me I have read all, or most that you have posted. So no need to research and get my perspective.

I know you are not a bad guy, I'm not saying that, but please, don't claim to know anything about Pan Am. Just because you visit this website, or talk to "ALL" of these people at your school that are former students. If you want to know about Pan Am, why don't you talk to me, a happy student, or better yet come visit here to see how "horrible" it is here.

I wish you all the luck in your training and all the best..........

chunk75 · January 15th, 2003, 07:22

Why do you put quotes around 'horrible' or 'ALL'...I've never said those things. Please don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate PAIFA. I simply asked a question based on personal observations. Again, I ask how my question is any different than rausda's questions of the new aircraft still at the factory. Is it because I'm chunk and it's okay to personally attack me because I'm outspoken?

Chunk

Mavmb · January 15th, 2003, 10:32

Just leave the threads open to anyone and eventually the truth will sift out, as I believe it has. I think comments from people who don't go to the school are taking with a grain of salt anyway. For example, people certainly didn't pay homage to Chunk after this post. I do think it is best not to continually knock a school unless you've been there though.

Doug Taylor · January 15th, 2003, 11:11

Nah, I didn't mean "political" as in Washington-style politics, but more like I have to question the ulterior motives of a specific post.

I dunno, I usually try to stay out of the flight school forums as a participant except when there is clear deception or a laughable ad that needs to be discussed.

You guys, however, have first hand information and any stats I have is largely from observation.

ready2fly · January 15th, 2003, 11:24

Chunk: Your post was BS because anyone can see that you only posted it to try to pick a fight. Admit it.

YOu could care less about Pan Am or it's policies. YOu were looking to start a flame war or, at the very least, boast ONCE AGAIN about how great YOUR school is.

For the record, chunk - we're ALL very happy that you are pleased with your training! It's clear you did your resarch. What makes you think that other people are incapable of doing the same and coming up with a different conclusion than yours? Why don't you let others enjoy their decisions and their training without your self-appointed BS Flag waiving?

About the only other school I've seen you give props to was MTSU and, yet again, that was based on YOUR OPINION on meeting ONE student. Brilliant. Really.

(as for my afront on your political views - my bad. Not necessary for this thread).

(as for you being helpful on these threads - I will agree that you USED to be quite helpful and somewhat entertaining.)

R2F

dakovich · January 15th, 2003, 15:10

don't mean to take sides, but i would have asked the same question if i were in chunk's position. i went to Panam, and i know of a lot of people who would go over to FSI and check it out...and yes, many went in Panam uniform. if i was at Panam and saw a bunch of FSI uniformed pilots taking tours or whatever i would want to understand why that was. not to mention i can't remember one FSI student who defected to Panam except for CFI positions while i was there. if all of a sudden a bunch of FSI, or whatever other school's students switched to Panm other than to bve a CFI while i was there i'd be on here asking what was going on over at the other school.

Doug Taylor · January 15th, 2003, 15:20

Ok, everyone stand in a circle because we're going to (once again) sing "Koom-by-yah" ok?

1...

2...

3...

Aww, just kidding!

Eagle · January 15th, 2003, 16:22

[ QUOTE ]
... many went in Panam uniform. if i was at Panam and saw a bunch of FSI uniformed pilots taking tours or whatever i would want to understand why that was.

[/ QUOTE ]

Holy Crap.. Don't tell me you guys wear uniforms at a ** FLIGHT SCHOOL !!

Please tell me it ain't so!!

Snow · January 15th, 2003, 20:31

Please don't tell me you didn't already already know that! Otherwise, where have you been? Hello?

Sprint100 · January 16th, 2003, 13:06

Doug,
We know, thank, and respect the hard job you are doing. I never meant nor tried to imply that all this board was primarily used for was Pan Am bashing. Actually, I have received some very beneficial information in my decision to choose WSA. There is some bashing going on, I believe, and didn't want that to spread and effect what this board should really be about.

dakovich · January 16th, 2003, 14:29

still don't see where chunk was bashing. if you've attended Panam you'd know what he said is normal conversation around the school. maybe it sounds a little gossipy(is that a word?), but i still don't see it as bashing.

January 16th, 2003, 14:42

There are many things I love about Pan Am and there are many great people. And for the most part I have not run into the majority of the problems that I have heard about people running into. I will say this though. The program is really hard to finish. For one, the training costs. But that aside it is really hard to finish because of inflexibility. you cannot get a job to cover the extra living expenses because you have absolutely no control over your schedule. And lets face it, a lot of the delays are far beyond your control like waiting a week for a stagecheck and check ride or waiting 8 weeks for a cfi instructor. add it all together and you have 2-3 months added to your training. thats like 3-6k in living.

I think that it is time for pan am to change the "we're an airline" philosophy and adopt the "we're a school" philosophy because there is a major difference between working for an airline and going to school: you get paid while working for an airline.

also the dynamics of a learning environment are different that of a job. my training in college wasn't like my job after college. one was a optimal learning environment and the other was an optimal business and professional environment.

the simple fact is, they can't deliver 14months or less to an airline. in fact in my observation they can't deliver 10 months to complete the training. The thing is, when we all quite our jobs and moved 1/2 way accross the country, we took them at their word and planned for 10 months. oops.

I think Pan Am is going to and already has developed a negative reputation because of policies that make it hard to complete the program. and trust me, it isn't because the school weeds people out, that the training is so tough that only few can complete it. we're getting the same ratings as every other school and we are failing checkrides all over the place, it is because they don't create and environment where people tend to be successful.
it is amazing what a difference a pre flight briefing makes, it's like a pitcher in the bullpen before pitching from the mound. but the way it is scheduled there is not time. the blocks should be 2.5 hours. 1.25 flight and .5 brief. the flight instructors shouldn't get paid for pre post flight because they rarely if ever are even there, usually shooting the ---- in dispatch while you preflight.

where is the sincere committment to our success? in the short run Pan Am may profit but unless they sincerely drive to deliver on their promises, no one is going to enroll. I think management should blame themselves, their program or their instructors for student failures. It is the system that produces an 80% fail rate.

Sprint100 · January 16th, 2003, 15:19

dakovich is right. Gossipy is a better word. unsat hit one of the nails on the head, I saw a lot of jawjacking in dispatch, when I visited.

January 14th, 2003, 00:32	#1
chunk75 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: FL Posts: 922	Pan Am Diaspora? Is there a mass exodus of students over there? I've noticed an increasing number of students coming over here to FSI..... I hear the latest management outrage is when a student has no $$$ in his account but would be able to fly otherwise, are charged no show fees until $$$ gets put into the account. OUCH! True? Heard it straight from an recently departed student. Chunk

January 14th, 2003, 07:56	#2
pure_IMC Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vero Beach, FL Posts: 181	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? Im not sure about that, Ive been waiting for money in my account for a little bit. All I did was tell my instructor not to schedule me. I suppose if they schedule you and you dont show up they will no show you. So bottom line, just communicate.

January 14th, 2003, 10:04	#3
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,926 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? Uhh, Chunk. Wrong forum.

January 14th, 2003, 11:21	#4
TheFlyingTurkey Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 2,987	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? Chunk, broadening your vocabulary? Websters college dictionary: Diaspora =The scattering of the Jews to countries outside of Palestine after the Babylonian captivity. A little much dont you think? I thought all the Pan Am bashing had stopped. The Turk.

January 14th, 2003, 12:00	#5
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,373	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? Unless you're (a) a FSI student (b) a RIGHT wing - FAAAAR right - Republican, or (c) chunk - prepare to be bashed by chunk. It's all he's good for.

January 14th, 2003, 14:22	#6
pure_IMC Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vero Beach, FL Posts: 181	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? And here I thought I was the only one that thought that all Chunk was good for was ripping on anyone EXCEPT FSI.

January 14th, 2003, 15:03	#7
cime_sp Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ATL Posts: 782	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? If you guys knew him a little better or paid attention, he will freely point out when anything is "fishy"....including things with FSI.

January 14th, 2003, 15:18	#8
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,373	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? DELETED My contention being that if someone has NO PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE of a school other than hearsay - then they should keep their BS opinion to themselves.

January 14th, 2003, 15:24	#9
Sprint100 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In my Cozy garage Posts: 6,272	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? Whatever happened to "If you can't say something nice......". I do not prefer Pan Am, but leave 'em alone. I believe in informing others to beware, but bashing and gossiping....Whew.

January 14th, 2003, 19:00	#10
FLDiver Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 118	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? Actually, I thought the Pan Am forum was quiet because the Pan Am admin had issued a blanket gag order NOT to post anything about Pan Am or they would lose their job or get kicked out of the academy....LMAO!!! Or, nobody had anything good to say about Pan Am so they weren't saying anything at all!!!! Just kidding guys...I couldn't resist.

January 14th, 2003, 20:31	#11
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,926 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? All the above sound fine and dandy however this forum isn't here for that purpose. That creates more work for me having to determine if a specific post was created with a legitimate question or a political motive. So perhaps some Pan Am students have been forbidden from posting on the forum which means that even having the forum is pointless. Do I erase the forum because it's not being properly used? Do I leave it up and continue to allow folks that have no particular experiences with the school take pot shots? What happens when a person that lives in Phoenix has a legitimate question about Pan Am? Let's play "You're the webmaster".

January 14th, 2003, 20:59	#12
chunk75 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: FL Posts: 922	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? R2F, How did politics get involved with this? To my knowledge, I've never attacked you personally, so why don't you knock it off?!? I asked a valid question. That's all I'm good for? I guess I haven't been giving advice on this board for years? Oh, and which part of my question is BS? Feel free to correct me where I'm wrong. Turkey, Not bashing at all...just verifying what I've observed (a lot of former PAIFA students at my school) and what I've been told by more than one of said students. Oh, and "diaspora" is a historical term that can and has been used as a metaphor in modern literature. You are absolutely correct on it's origin, but that's not the only proper use of the word. PureIMC, Is you opinion based on your three weeks of being registered? The whole three weeks? Why don't you go search my previous posts and get perspective on me. I'm a nice guy! I only dislike schools that lie, cheat, and steal from their students. Do I 'bash' these schools? If that's how you want to characterize my exposing their true nature, then c'est la vie. cime_sp, Thanks. Doug, I have no personal experience with the management of Pan Am other than what my friends and coworkers who studied/instructed there tell me. I have noticed a large number of guys on our campus who have switched...in fact, I've seen guys in PAIFA uniform touring our campus. This is not speculation, rumor, or gossip, but things I have seen firsthand. The future of PAIFA (they're just down the road and we share a practice area) is something that I and others wonder about for no other reason than curiosity. The same curiosity that people guess at the future of airlines that they have no real stake in other than as a potential future employer. No ulterior motives, just a simple question. I do not hide the fact that I don't like their business practices. That could be my pockets being emptied. Sorry for the hubbub. Chunk Edited****added later. Go look at what rausda asked in "New Pipers". He made an observation and asked a question based on it. It questioned PAIFA's financial status. Did anyone jump on him for bashing? NO! As well they shouldn't have. In fact, Turk even complimented the thread for not being a bashing thread. Double standard, anyone?

January 14th, 2003, 22:53	#13
pure_IMC Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vero Beach, FL Posts: 181	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? Hello Chunk, Had to make some reply. Im not here to bash, I observe. I observe the constant hatred that comes out of your mouth when it comes to panam. You are entitiled to your opinion, I respect that, but when you constantly bad mouth all facilites except fsi, I think that stinks. As for being registered the WHOLE 3 WEEKS, shows how much you really know, Ive been observing this site for longer than you have been registered. Just because I haven't posted as much as you, means nothing. Believe me I have read all, or most that you have posted. So no need to research and get my perspective. I know you are not a bad guy, I'm not saying that, but please, don't claim to know anything about Pan Am. Just because you visit this website, or talk to "ALL" of these people at your school that are former students. If you want to know about Pan Am, why don't you talk to me, a happy student, or better yet come visit here to see how "horrible" it is here. I wish you all the luck in your training and all the best..........

January 15th, 2003, 07:22	#14
chunk75 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: FL Posts: 922	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? Why do you put quotes around 'horrible' or 'ALL'...I've never said those things. Please don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate PAIFA. I simply asked a question based on personal observations. Again, I ask how my question is any different than rausda's questions of the new aircraft still at the factory. Is it because I'm chunk and it's okay to personally attack me because I'm outspoken? Chunk

January 15th, 2003, 10:32	#15
Mavmb Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 2,169	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? Just leave the threads open to anyone and eventually the truth will sift out, as I believe it has. I think comments from people who don't go to the school are taking with a grain of salt anyway. For example, people certainly didn't pay homage to Chunk after this post. I do think it is best not to continually knock a school unless you've been there though.

January 15th, 2003, 11:11	#16
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,926 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? Nah, I didn't mean "political" as in Washington-style politics, but more like I have to question the ulterior motives of a specific post. I dunno, I usually try to stay out of the flight school forums as a participant except when there is clear deception or a laughable ad that needs to be discussed. You guys, however, have first hand information and any stats I have is largely from observation.

January 15th, 2003, 11:24	#17
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,373	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? Chunk: Your post was BS because anyone can see that you only posted it to try to pick a fight. Admit it. YOu could care less about Pan Am or it's policies. YOu were looking to start a flame war or, at the very least, boast ONCE AGAIN about how great YOUR school is. For the record, chunk - we're ALL very happy that you are pleased with your training! It's clear you did your resarch. What makes you think that other people are incapable of doing the same and coming up with a different conclusion than yours? Why don't you let others enjoy their decisions and their training without your self-appointed BS Flag waiving? About the only other school I've seen you give props to was MTSU and, yet again, that was based on YOUR OPINION on meeting ONE student. Brilliant. Really. (as for my afront on your political views - my bad. Not necessary for this thread). (as for you being helpful on these threads - I will agree that you USED to be quite helpful and somewhat entertaining.) R2F

January 15th, 2003, 15:10	#18
dakovich Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,043	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? don't mean to take sides, but i would have asked the same question if i were in chunk's position. i went to Panam, and i know of a lot of people who would go over to FSI and check it out...and yes, many went in Panam uniform. if i was at Panam and saw a bunch of FSI uniformed pilots taking tours or whatever i would want to understand why that was. not to mention i can't remember one FSI student who defected to Panam except for CFI positions while i was there. if all of a sudden a bunch of FSI, or whatever other school's students switched to Panm other than to bve a CFI while i was there i'd be on here asking what was going on over at the other school.

January 15th, 2003, 15:20	#19
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,926 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? Ok, everyone stand in a circle because we're going to (once again) sing "Koom-by-yah" ok? 1... 2... 3... Aww, just kidding!

January 15th, 2003, 16:22	#20
Eagle Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 1,272	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? [ QUOTE ] ... many went in Panam uniform. if i was at Panam and saw a bunch of FSI uniformed pilots taking tours or whatever i would want to understand why that was. [/ QUOTE ] Holy Crap.. Don't tell me you guys wear uniforms at a FLIGHT SCHOOL** !! Please tell me it ain't so!!

January 15th, 2003, 20:31	#21
Snow Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 870	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? Please don't tell me you didn't already already know that! Otherwise, where have you been? Hello?

January 16th, 2003, 13:06	#22
Sprint100 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In my Cozy garage Posts: 6,272	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? Doug, We know, thank, and respect the hard job you are doing. I never meant nor tried to imply that all this board was primarily used for was Pan Am bashing. Actually, I have received some very beneficial information in my decision to choose WSA. There is some bashing going on, I believe, and didn't want that to spread and effect what this board should really be about.

January 16th, 2003, 14:29	#23
dakovich Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,043	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? still don't see where chunk was bashing. if you've attended Panam you'd know what he said is normal conversation around the school. maybe it sounds a little gossipy(is that a word?), but i still don't see it as bashing.

January 16th, 2003, 14:42	#24
Lurker Posts: n/a	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? There are many things I love about Pan Am and there are many great people. And for the most part I have not run into the majority of the problems that I have heard about people running into. I will say this though. The program is really hard to finish. For one, the training costs. But that aside it is really hard to finish because of inflexibility. you cannot get a job to cover the extra living expenses because you have absolutely no control over your schedule. And lets face it, a lot of the delays are far beyond your control like waiting a week for a stagecheck and check ride or waiting 8 weeks for a cfi instructor. add it all together and you have 2-3 months added to your training. thats like 3-6k in living. I think that it is time for pan am to change the "we're an airline" philosophy and adopt the "we're a school" philosophy because there is a major difference between working for an airline and going to school: you get paid while working for an airline. also the dynamics of a learning environment are different that of a job. my training in college wasn't like my job after college. one was a optimal learning environment and the other was an optimal business and professional environment. the simple fact is, they can't deliver 14months or less to an airline. in fact in my observation they can't deliver 10 months to complete the training. The thing is, when we all quite our jobs and moved 1/2 way accross the country, we took them at their word and planned for 10 months. oops. I think Pan Am is going to and already has developed a negative reputation because of policies that make it hard to complete the program. and trust me, it isn't because the school weeds people out, that the training is so tough that only few can complete it. we're getting the same ratings as every other school and we are failing checkrides all over the place, it is because they don't create and environment where people tend to be successful. it is amazing what a difference a pre flight briefing makes, it's like a pitcher in the bullpen before pitching from the mound. but the way it is scheduled there is not time. the blocks should be 2.5 hours. 1.25 flight and .5 brief. the flight instructors shouldn't get paid for pre post flight because they rarely if ever are even there, usually shooting the ---- in dispatch while you preflight. where is the sincere committment to our success? in the short run Pan Am may profit but unless they sincerely drive to deliver on their promises, no one is going to enroll. I think management should blame themselves, their program or their instructors for student failures. It is the system that produces an 80% fail rate.

January 16th, 2003, 15:19	#25
Sprint100 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In my Cozy garage Posts: 6,272	Re: Pan Am Diaspora? dakovich is right. Gossipy is a better word. unsat hit one of the nails on the head, I saw a lot of jawjacking in dispatch, when I visited.

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