my 2 cents

[Joepilot]

I just wanted to give my opinion on ari-ben. I came down here for the 100 hr block of multi. I have read some of the negative posts on jetcareers, but they are far from the truth. I have zero complaints about my expierence. I didn't get my full 100 hours. I finished with about 85. Oh well that's life.

When I enrolled I allowed for about 3 weeks. I even extended for another week. I had to endure 2 hurricanes, nasty t-storms, and some maintainence issues. Those airplanes fly 24/7. Most of the airplanes are older than most of the students. But the duchess is a very tough and reliable airplane if treated correctly. There are a few people around there that seem to tear up airplanes because they do not know what the heck they are doing and could care less. Thne they b***h because there are no airplanes to fly.

The mechanics bust their a****s to keep those airplanes flying. It is a fact of life when an airplane is flown that much something will break. Also to any potential timebuilders, if you want to fly you need to talk to scheduling at least once a day. They are not there to hold your hand. You have to show them you want to fly every night.

I have read alot of bad press about Mike the owner. I have alot of respect for him after finally meeting him. He is actually very nice and professional. People need to remember he is a business owner and when he gets mad it's because he is trying to run a business. He has every right to get mad when people tear things up. I would be the same way if I owned a business.

The housing is the best bang for the buck. It is within walking distance from the school. Everything is clean and well maintained.

I guess I will shut up now. I just wanted to share my expierence at the Aviator. There is no perfect flight school out there. I even did my training at one of the well known "pilot factorys." You get what you pay for at this school and the price is hard to beat.

By the way, if want to know my background, I hold a com single and multi and CFII,MEI and about a 1000 hrs of time. So I kinda know what I am talking about.

[BrettInLJ]

Now I'm not discounting your opinion soley on the answer to this question, but I was wondering if you are an employee of Aviator or have applied or plan to apply to be a flight instructor there?

I notice the thread where multiple students were posting the grievences have been deleted. Do you know if Mike or anyone else from the school seen this thread and asked for it to be removed?

[Mike Lewis]

Originally Posted by BrettInLJ

I notice the thread where multiple students were posting the grievences have been deleted. Do you know if Mike or anyone else from the school seen this thread and asked for it to be removed?

Well, we're trying to determine if it really was multiple students or one student posing as a number of students, as the logs look pretty fishy.

Also, someone blatantly tried to circumvent the vulgarity filter (a BIG NO-NO for the site), so we have to clean it up before we can move it back here.

Like most of the posts when they get crazy, it is temporarily moved for a time-out (and in the case of profanity, cleaned up). Once I get to that (I HATE having to do website babysitting over my lunch hour), it should be back.

Just a couple of reminders:
1. Keep your emotions in check. (See this thread for details.)
2. Do NOT try to use multiple usernames to try and pass yourself off as someone you are not. This has caused HUGE problems in the past, and the administrators are likely to simply ban you in all of your incarnations than try to work through it.
3. Do NOT circumvent the profanity filter. If we are blocking certain obscenities, we don't want them appearing in any other form.

We're trying to fix the new forum software, but the more we have to come in and play babysitter, the slower the process goes...

[BrettInLJ]

Originally Posted by Mike Lewis

Well, we're trying to determine if it really was multiple students or one student posing as a number of students, as the logs look pretty fishy.

Also, someone blatantly tried to circumvent the vulgarity filter (a BIG NO-NO for the site), so we have to clean it up before we can move it back here.

Like most of the posts when they get crazy, it is temporarily moved for a time-out (and in the case of profanity, cleaned up). Once I get to that (I HATE having to do website babysitting over my lunch hour), it should be back.

Just a couple of reminders:
1. Keep your emotions in check. (See this thread for details.)
2. Do NOT try to use multiple usernames to try and pass yourself off as someone you are not. This has caused HUGE problems in the past, and the administrators are likely to simply ban you in all of your incarnations than try to work through it.
3. Do NOT circumvent the profanity filter. If we are blocking certain obscenities, we don't want them appearing in any other form.

We're trying to fix the new forum software, but the more we have to come in and play babysitter, the slower the process goes...

Gotcha. Just to play devils advocate, it sounded like it might have been students that lived together in the same temporary housing, so they may have been sharing the same connection/IP address. Also, many new posters don't really know how sensitive that profanity rule is. In fact, many senior ones, myself included, have been guilty of that at one time or another.

Then again, it could be one person like you say in which case I'm sorry for tripping out about the deletion. If its true, I'm pretty gullible because I thought the comments were legit and didn't think about that.

[SmitteyB]

I posted a comment in the aviator-bashing thread. I have now come to find out that I jumped the gun, and dwelled on a personal problem I had with TJ. When you get enrolled at the school, Mike states that if you're not happy, come to him and try to work it out. I didn't, and I came to an open forum where I knew I would be heard. I apologize to JC and Mike Cohen for not following procedure.

Honestly, the people here at Aviator make it all worth attending. This is a good school to get your training done at, I would encourage any aspiring pilot to give ABA a look, it's a good price.

[TripleSticks]

Mike,

I used to go to the school there. The housing that's in Vero was serviced by 3 wireless routers while I was there. It's probably the same now. Anyway... there's about 15 houses with 2 or 3 people in each house. They're all accessing 1 of 3 wireless systems. I don't know if that would make all those people look like they're coming from the same IP address because I'm not quite that computer savvy. But that's how it's all hooked up. There are some people who shared computers while I was there but not many. Most had their own.

It just looked like some frustrated students venting to me. Each had some good things to say about Aviator as well. I think they were probably different students. But I don't know.... of course.

Anyway... I enjoyed my time there and refer people to the Aviator when they ask me about places to get training. It's definitely not perfect. I was frustrated at times, for the same reasons. Parts of it took me a little longer than I wanted. But it's the best bang for the buck. You just have to be a patient person. It's a quality that you learn there. That's for sure. As for Mike and TJ. I lke 'em both. I never had a problem with them. Mike yelled at me once but I deserved it. I apologized and that was the end of it. I think people just have to understand that it's a business. A particular student will be there for a year and then they'll be gone. Mike has been there for 15 years (I don't know how long) and will be there for 15 more. It's not personal. It's business.

good day to all,
j

[Captain_Bob]

Originally Posted by SmitteyB

I posted a comment in the aviator-bashing thread. I have now come to find out that I jumped the gun, and dwelled on a personal problem I had with TJ. When you get enrolled at the school, Mike states that if you're not happy, come to him and try to work it out. I didn't, and I came to an open forum where I knew I would be heard. I apologize to JC and Mike Cohen for not following procedure.

Honestly, the people here at Aviator make it all worth attending. This is a good school to get your training done at, I would encourage any aspiring pilot to give ABA a look, it's a good price.

So what happened to that thread? It appeared as if most of the issues on it were sincere ones and not random bad attitudes trying to vent.

Smitty, I'm interested in knowing how things work out with your discussion with Mike. It seems a radical 360 from your post yesterday. Regardless, if it all works out please post it so that folks can see the flipside.

Bob

[SmitteyB]

Bob,
I was just frustrated with my current situation, I was immature and blamed it on the school. Simple as that. The school has a few kinks, but they're being worked out, seriously, not as bad as I made the situation sounds.

Gday.

[Doug Taylor]

I identify people via email address an ip address for security purposes and this is why.

About three years ago, lets say there was a person from XYZ flight school which was across the tarmac from ABC flight school.

We had a bad problem one summer where a person from XYZ flight school would register multiple webmail addresses, pose as multiple individuals and have conversations between one another about how ABC flight school shoots horses and eats babies. While doing some research and a few people from XYZ flight school dropping the dime, it was determined that it was actually one person.

Hence the ban on registering on jetcareers with web-based email addresses. Whenever we get flamed and I have to let a user go, within 2 minutes, (s)he's re-registering with a fresh @yahoo @hotmail etc email address under the exact same IP and I and my moderators spend an inordinate about of time playing cat and mouse.

People are far less willing to use their ISP's email address to cause havoc on the forums. Even though I can generally track what ISP a web-based email user logs on with down the city.

No, we're not the Gestapo. But we're trying to keep a friendly, entertaining and factual website.

I PM'ed the people from the thread who were logging in with the same IP and only one has bothered to get back to me.

If they're different users, cool. I hope they're able to find a way to work out their issues.

If it's the same user, that's bullcrap and we do not tolerate that type of conduct in this community.

[Joepilot]

I am not an employee nor am I applying for an instructor job. I am hopefully a retired flight instructor now that I have the multi I needed.

[myron96]

Hey, all I know is that the planes go down at every flight school I have been too. Its a fact of life, and it sucks...That being said, i am still considering aviator....Still the best deal in the industry.. Actually, whats worse is that all the planes at my school are up, and due to the crappy weather, havent flown in 2 weeks...!!!! Andf since I am on the topic. does anyone have any pics of aviator?

[RPM]

Doug, I use to live in the Aviator housing. Everyone there is running off the same 3 wireless routers , thats why it looks like 1 person logging in multiple accounts. There is probably 30-40 aviator students that are going to look like the same IP address.

The complaints about the school are very legitimate, I was there for 6 months.

I still have many friends there and was told there was a meeting held with all the students about the recent post that was "removed". People were being threatened and they were trying to find out which students did the posting. 1 student was kicked out... temperarily, others had private meetings and where threatened with not being hired as instructors (hence the quick change of perspective of certain members, you know who you are) People who were unhappy were given the option of leaving early without breaking the contract, a few opted to go this route, my old roomate was one of them. An instructor was fired for complaining about M/X the next day.

Apparantly Mike e-mailed Doug and was trying to get info on what the actual names of the posters were so they could be "dealt with" and this is still ongoing. I don't know if Doug gave out names or IP addresses or what, I wouldn't think that he would and i'm not saying he did..... but they are sure finding out who the posters are somehow and now people are losing the chance at a flight instructor job just for speaking their mind on a public forum under an anonymous username. hmmmm?

Anyway, I don't think you'll be hearing many more negatives from the previous posters because of Aviator management tracing back usernames to people and "dealing with them".

Sorry for the long post but I needed to speak my mind....after getting phone calls from some of the current students getting screwed over because of this and hearing how absolutely redicoulous this situation is I needed to say something for them.... they certainly can't post anything now.

[Galil]

I went to the aviator and based my decision on going via Jetcareers. I had and have no regrets whatsoever on my decision choosing Ari-Ben.

Jetcareers is a place where people share and get alot of information about flight schools, aviation jobs and other things related to aviation. I would say Mike gets alot of business from Jetcareers and I can see why he would get upset from people trying to air the Aviators dirty laundry on a public forum.

I have only heard some of things that were mentioned via second hand on what was posted and have no clue if in fact they were true. Quite frankly I realy don't care. The bottom line is the fact that 95 percent of the students that attend the Aviator are going there to become CFIs and hope to instruct for mike when they get there ratings finished. So when they come on and post negative things about the Aviator what do you expect to happen to them? You think Mike is going to go pat them on the back and say hey thanks for the negative support here is a cookie, now why don't you go instruct for me and I will pay you?

Are there problems with the Aviator? I would say there has to be. I know nothing on this planet that runs smoothly and at times needs some type of attention and or maintanance. The problem is this, and sorry people if you fall into this category, I am not trying to attack you at all, I am just trying to get an idea out. There are alot of young people that attend the Aviator. Alot of these people have not been out in the real world and owned a business or worked for fortune 500 companies. they just dont have enough real world experience to realize that the Aviator is a normal growing business with alot of things going on.

The planes are fine and maintanance is and has been perfect for me. not once have I ever had a problem if I downed a plane or I had to have one looked at. I have been at the hanger some nights till 4:00 am with Ed, head of MX and he would take as much time as I needed, while he was off the clock mind you, to help me get ready for certain checkrides or questions I would have in general about mechanical questions that no one else could answere.

If I owned the Aviator I would not let students that come onto one of my biggest advertising venues and try to start crap that can be dealt with privately work for me.

No matter where you go there is always going to be a chain of command. I learned early on that I go to Pierre first and if my issues still remained then the next step would be Ari when he was still there, than last resort was Mike.

Me personaly I would rather have Mike on the phone talking with new possible students than dealing with some small problem I may have that someone else can take care of. The more students he can personaly deal with means the more for me as an instructor.

As for the people that are unhappy, if Mike offered to give them a refund and let them leave the school my hats off to him as he could have told them, too bad deal with. Instead he was honest enough to say hey if you are that unhappy here is your money back good luck elswhere.

The Aviator aint no Mickey Mouse flight school and the planes fly 24/7. If you want to spend twice or three times the money and not get the same multi time and have the same problems being discussed here, then the Aviator is not for you.

RPM, I am sorry your opinion here is worthless, I would hazard a guess you are still bitter about not being hired by Mike and asked to leave. IMO this is just a way for you to get even with Mike.

Oh well I guess the last thing I will say about the Aviator is I love my family more than anything, and I recommended the Aviator as the only flight school good enough to two of them and feel good about doing so.

[RPM]

Originally Posted by Galil

RPM, I am sorry your opinion here is worthless, I would hazard a guess you are still bitter about not being hired by Mike and asked to leave. IMO this is just a way for you to get even with Mike.

Sorry bud, my opinion here isn't worthless....been around here a LOT longer than you and know, have met with and helped out MANY of the members here on this site personally. How many of the members here have agreed with you about ANYTHING? NONE, ZIP, NADDA! Everyone from the aviator here knows the crap you posted about me isn't true and EVERYONE at the aviator doesn't like you....you got me mixed up with Ron and the fuel issues he had....Ron, Ryan kinda sounds the same I guess, whatever, I don't even care anymore, say what you want, nobody cares.

By the way, I was NEVER asked to leave (I love the stuff you come up with)....I could have stayed and gone through my MEI stuff again with Pierre if I wanted ...it was my choice to go and I have a much better thing going now anyway, I just feel bad for some of the people still there having to deal with Mike.

[Getburned]

I know that you didn't have a fuel issue, but either did Ron.

[Galil]

How many people have I agreed with here on Jetcareers? Pretty much most everyone on here. I dont waist my time on backing up what seomone else has said if I agree with them. I dont spend that much time reading this BBS. Maybe once every other week or so I will get on here and read thru some of the threads. If I see garbage that is just flat out BS I will post something, other than that I will not post.

Everyone at the Aviator knows the things I posted about you are not true? I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree here as I know better and don't feel a need to defend myself.

Everyone at the Aviator doesn't like me? maybe not your drinking buddies, but everyone is quite a bold statement. The people I choose to associate with and find value in do like me and the rest I am not to worried about as I am not looking for there approval.

I got you mixed up with Ron with the fuel issues? I am pretty sure that that was second hand information I was provided and and would say that I doubt I would come on here and post that for a fact that you were the one that did that for sure, unless I had rock solid evidence or I wittnessed it for myself. I did not wittness that event nor am I 100 percent possitive it was you. But given the choice to believe you over the people that told me this information I will choose to believe the people that I find credible.

As far as you being asked to leave? well I would have to say you may be correct there and the only information I have to go on is what the whole of the school was saying, that you were asked to leave and were not allow to insruct for the Aviator.

I will tell you this, the only thing for sure I know for a fact is what I witnessed about your judgment and character. I know what I saw and have no regrets calling Pierre and and letting him know what you and Kyle were up to the night you did the fly over. IMO it was stupid immature and endangered the lives of the people on the ground, the airplane, and yourselves. In retrospect I should have never called Pierre I should have called the FAA directly. What I witnessed was IMO stupidity. I question how you act or what you do with an airplane when no one is actualy looking when you are capable of doing stupid crap like that when you know people are watching.

As far as your character I learned that first hand and early on about how you operate. You were in my instrument ground class for all of one day when you came to me and stated you could not take the time for the class as your intrument checkride was coming up very shortly. I tried to make it clear to you that our instrument course was part 141 and the the ground class was required by the FAA in order to be signed off for the checkride. You would have to get that ground from someone else if you were going to take the checkride in a few days in order to do it part 141. I never saw you in class again. Now keep in mind that I would ask you from time to time if you had passed your ride yet and your answere was always no it had not been arranged yet. You finaly did get your checkride set up and funny it was setup and arranged for the last day of the class we had going, which lasted around 4 weeks. I thought to myself man this kid spent all that money for the ground class and never went and could have been there for the entire class before taking his checkride. Oh well I thought to myself just another lazy kid who is looking for the eazy way out. Oh I almost forgot, you failed that checkride did'nt you?

For real man that is all I know about you and all I care to know and all I can attest to that is true and correct. You can call me a liar all you want about your stuped stunt I know what saw and I was not the only one, even though you like to post otherwise, that said you were around 200 feet or less.

In all reality I know why you call me a liar about that anyway. I mean who in there right mind would admit that on a BBS and possibly get violated.

In the end anyone that has read some of your last post about the Aviator can see there is some bad blood. You never realy posted negative garbage until your were asked to leave or left on your own. Once again I am just trying to show where there may be a possible slant to your rantings about the Aviator.

I think maybe you should focus more on your newer and better place whatever it may be, instead of trying to hurt Mike Cohen because he did the right thing.

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by RPM

I still have many friends there and was told there was a meeting held with all the students about the recent post that was "removed".

Not removed, it's in the moderator section for FURTHER REVIEW. I make 99% of the tough moderation decisions for the site and I'm on a fricken trip with short layovers.

Apparantly Mike e-mailed Doug and was trying to get info on what the actual names of the posters were so they could be "dealt with" and this is still ongoing.

Absolutely 100% incorrect.

I don't know if Doug gave out names or IP addresses or what, I wouldn't think that he would and i'm not saying he did.....

Outright ######## allegation.

Anyway, I don't think you'll be hearing many more negatives from the previous posters because of Aviator management tracing back usernames to people and "dealing with them".

No one has access to that information. Hell, I don't even know 90% of my regulars real names so how the hell am I going to 'report' back to admin there? WTF, yo?

I'm going to be completely frank. I think the idea that you guys have this view that I'm going to frag almost nine years of hard work building this website to protect a single advertiser is an absolute kick in the balls.

Do you want to know the timeline?

Someone from Ari Ben contacted me about some, according to them, false allegations.

I checked out the thread and said, "Ok, let me time this out until I have an opportunity to look at the threads and make a judgement call".

I checked thru my notes and there were a flurry of registrations from more or less the same IP address range, which also matched a registration whose username called into question someone's 'sexuality', another one who registered as Mike Cohen himself (who it wasn't because the registrant failed to contact me to verify his identity) and about six others who registered within a short period of time.

That's a damned red flag, right there. I was on a three day trip and my first opportunity to look at all of this #### was pretty much tonight because apart from regular basic moderation of the website and taking care of software issues, I pretty much hadn't a lot of time over the past couple days of my trip.

Those are the facts, plain and simple.

Anything beyond that is outright ########.

If there's a problem with the flight school, work it out, but also I'd like you to report back to me because I take into account absolutely 100% of what I hear in terms of feedback from current and former students of all advertisers and even those that aren't advertisers.

Damn.

Everyone take a chill pill and let me do my damned job.

[greaper007]

I find many of these posts to be somewhat indicative of the problem with the situation at the school. There is a complete lack of effective communication. Instead of working togethor to solve problems, the eqistimology at the school seems to be assert what "I haven't done wrong." From the supporters and the detractors. Everyone is just dividing into their camps rather than coming togethor. I find the entire situation to be somewhat unsophisticated, and I'm very put off by it. Dissent is important, however, learning how to criticise without attacking people is also. Most of the people involved in this situation have either a great deal of life experience, or some sort of secondary education. We should all be able to debate these issues in a way that validates both parties grievances. While also coming to some sort of solution. Attacking anyone should not be an option while dealing with these or any problems.

I had a few great professors and most importantly a super smart psychologist girlfriend that really taught me a great deal about debating issues. Some of the things that always stick in my head are.

Don't argue an issue untill you understand the opposing sides position well enough to be able to argue it yourself.

Don't attack people, attack issues.

Validate the opposing sides frustrations. No one likes to feel like they're not being heard. Try to understand where they're coming from. No one is purely evil. Also, no one is completely right. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

Granted, this stuff isn't easy to do. However, it makes things move a lot more smoothly, and quickly.

[greaper007]

Doug. Thanks for setting the story straight. I didn't think you would hand out identities of people. So I really tried not to listen to any of the scuttlebutt about IP addresses being handed over. So once again thank you for commenting, and thanks again for Jet Careers. It's without doubt the best aviation forum out here.

[Doug Taylor]

Thanks for the support.

I guess I might have been a little harsh, but the basic notion out there any anyone would think I'd do even 2% of that crap literally knocked the wind out of me because I take that stuff personal.

I tinker with the site during vacation, during visiting relatives, over the holidays, between flights, during 'productivity sits', while I'm eating dinner (as I'm doing right now), waiting for the shower water to get hot, on the crew van, while taking breaks while mowing the lawn but I'm supposedly going to straight up FRAG it all over an advertiser and start outing my users.

W.....T......F.......

I'd love to hear who thought THAT one up, but I'm afraid I'd 'go to the dark side'.

[RPM]

Originally Posted by Galil

I got you mixed up with Ron with the fuel issues? I am pretty sure that that was second hand information I was provided and and would say that I doubt I would come on here and post that for a fact that you were the one that did that for sure, unless I had rock solid evidence or I wittnessed it for myself. I did not wittness that event nor am I 100 percent possitive it was you. But given the choice to believe you over the people that told me this information I will choose to believe the people that I find credible.

"secnd hand info you were provided with.... you have NO evidence and you didn't witness it"....EXACTLY.....IT WASN'T ME! I'll say it again, I was NOT in the plane coming back from Key West that ran out of fuel or the other one with fuel issues. I never denied the flyover thing on here, yeah I was in the right seat, it was dumb, we both know that but I sure as hell don't fly around with no fuel and almost run out of fuel all the time! I have done some crazy things in my past but i'm not stupid.

Originally Posted by Galil

As far as your character I learned that first hand and early on about how you operate. You were in my instrument ground class for all of one day when you came to me and stated you could not take the time for the class as your intrument checkride was coming up very shortly. I tried to make it clear to you that our instrument course was part 141 and the the ground class was required by the FAA in order to be signed off for the checkride. You would have to get that ground from someone else if you were going to take the checkride in a few days in order to do it part 141. I never saw you in class again. Now keep in mind that I would ask you from time to time if you had passed your ride yet and your answere was always no it had not been arranged yet. You finaly did get your checkride set up and funny it was setup and arranged for the last day of the class we had going, which lasted around 4 weeks. I thought to myself man this kid spent all that money for the ground class and never went and could have been there for the entire class before taking his checkride. Oh well I thought to myself just another lazy kid who is looking for the eazy way out. Oh I almost forgot, you failed that checkride did'nt you?

You wanna know why I didn't go to your instrument ground class? I'll tell you EXACTLY why I didn't continue going. First off.... I didn't feel you were qualified to teach me anything. You were NOT even a CFI or even a commercial pilot for that matter....you had passed a stupid instrument ground instructor test, the same one I had taken months before and passed with a 98%. I already had my instrument written done, another 98%. I was getting the legally required ground from my instructor Chad and I didn't pay for your class.

The first and only day I went to your class....you talked about stuff that was not even relevant to the instrument rating whatsoever, you went off into aerodynamics for a couple hours and talked about multi-engine flying. Sitting through that crap for 4 hours a day and hearing what I already knew was a waste of my time.

Thanks for the concern but so what if I busted that check ride, (like its any of your business anyway), almost everyone busts at least one ride..... it sure didn't have anything to do with not going to your class, my Oral was fine, I busted for not knowing how to use the garmin 430...it was my second time in a 430 equipped plane. None of the students were taught how to use the 430 at the time, I shouldn't have taken my ride in that plane....oh well! I did still finish before your class was over and I finished my CFI ratings before you too! You were there at the Aviator TWICE as long as me to get your ratings and your calling me lazy, HA....thats pretty funny.

[RPM]

Doug,

sorry if I came across wrong... I even said in my post that I didn't think you would give out that info and I'm glad to hear that you wouldn't.

that is just what is being said at the school... at the school they are saying they found out who the users are and have ip addresses to prove it....maybe its just a threat to get people to come forward and admit to it, I have no idea but people are being brought in and confronted about it.

[DE727UPS]

Whether Ari Ben in this or that, I don't have a dawg in the fight. However, you said some stuff that really struck me and made me feel like repeating. For myself as well as everyone else at jetcareers.

"Don't argue an issue untill you understand the opposing sides position well enough to be able to argue it yourself.

Don't attack people, attack issues.

Validate the opposing sides frustrations. No one likes to feel like they're not being heard. Try to understand where they're coming from. No one is purely evil. Also, no one is completely right. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

Granted, this stuff isn't easy to do. However, it makes things move a lot more smoothly, and quickly."

This one should be a sticky.....

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by greaper007

Doug. Thanks for setting the story straight. I didn't think you would hand out identities of people.

I don't even HAVE that type of information.

Ask anyone whose met me at the airport:

"Hey Doug! I'm John Doe!"

(uhh...)

"Oh, I'm (username on forums)".

"Oh, hey! Nice to meet you!"

(to Kristie)

"Hey hon, I met John Doe!"

"Who?!"

"Uhh, (username!)"

I'd certainly hate to meet the person who started the rumor in a dark alley because I'd probably end up in jail. Don't let the smile and the epaulets fool ya!

[Joepilot]

I didn't mean to start yet another war. Just trying to give an impartial opinion about my expierence. OOOPS