Looking for a MOTIVATED 100hr Multi Partner

[liebhabe]

I'm going down to Ariben later this month for the 100hr program and am looking for somewhere there already or seriously interested to fly a lot. Due to my situation all 100hrs must be completed within 2 weeks, I have heard the shortest was 10 days and that is what I am shooting for. That's 10 hours a day. I currently fly 8-9+/day with my current job and know I'm up for it. I need someone who can deal with being burned out and still wake up the next morning ready to fly. If this is you, please PM me. I would prefer to have a dedicated motivated partner rather than whoever is thrown at me. Must know soon! Thanks.

[ananoman]

I think that we can put this in the category of things that may be legal but are not very smart.........

[NaturalFlyer]

I'm thinking, "wow" thats actually legal?

I thought FAA regulations prohibited pilots from logging more than 8 hours of flight time per day.

[BrettInLJ]

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I'm thinking, "wow" thats actually legal?

I thought FAA regulations prohibited pilots from logging more than 8 hours of flight time per day.

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It's Part 91 so yes its legal. Personally, I would hold to better personal minimums. Perhaps those that are imposed for 121 operations are a good guideline to go by. It would be much smarter to at least extend it over 3 weeks instead of 2.

[liebhabe]

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I'm thinking, "wow" thats actually legal?

I thought FAA regulations prohibited pilots from logging more than 8 hours of flight time per day.

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It's Part 91 so yes its legal. Personally, I would hold to better personal minimums. Perhaps those that are imposed for 121 operations are a good guideline to go by. It would be much smarter to at least extend it over 3 weeks instead of 2.

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You are in a 2 man "crew" with almost double the rest time than 121 stipulates. I've done 75hr weeks. I'll concede it's not ideal, but sometimes situations dictate otherwise.

[BrettInLJ]

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I'm thinking, "wow" thats actually legal?

I thought FAA regulations prohibited pilots from logging more than 8 hours of flight time per day.

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It's Part 91 so yes its legal. Personally, I would hold to better personal minimums. Perhaps those that are imposed for 121 operations are a good guideline to go by. It would be much smarter to at least extend it over 3 weeks instead of 2.

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You are in a 2 man "crew" with almost double the rest time than 121 stipulates. I've done 75hr weeks. I'll concede it's not ideal, but sometimes situations dictate otherwise.

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You are both logging all those hours as PIC, are you not? Don't you think that if you are PIC, then those limits should apply?

[Texasspilot]

I think trying to fly 100Hours in two weeks is a horrible idea....youre an idiot.

actually if your gonna do it...do it right...BREAK THE RECORD you wussy. I think it can be done in 8 days easy.

[DE727UPS]

"thought FAA regulations prohibited pilots from logging more than 8 hours of flight time per day.

If you are flying for compensation or hire, yes. But if you are just renting or own your own plane, there is no FAA limit to how many hours a day you can fly.

[hattrick]

it can be done. however yes its hard. for all those opposed you must remember the people that are building time there are simply trying to meet regional multi requirements and cant get tons of time off oh and when you get there talk to james he will set you up

[liebhabe]

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it can be done. however yes its hard. for all those opposed you must remember the people that are building time there are simply trying to meet regional multi requirements and cant get tons of time off oh and when you get there talk to james he will set you up

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Already set up the "no more than 2 week" thing with Mike, he seemed cool with it.

And yes, the whole reason to do it FAST is because my boss isn't too happy about losing my flight revenue for 2 weeks. The more I sit, the less money he makes. Funny how that works. This will bump me over the regional requirements and some corporate, that's the whole idea.

[ananoman]

You are going to need one of those inflatable rubber doughnuts to sit on after you are done....

[liebhabe]

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You are going to need one of those inflatable rubber doughnuts to sit on after you are done....

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I thought that was standard issue with the intro flight as a student pilot. Logbook, picture, inflatable doughnut... at least it ought to be! .... (obvious industry joke)

[hattrick]

of course mike was cool with it he tells everybody that but its the motivated ones that end up doing it, which it sounds like you are. what im saying is go for it man but just ask to talk to james when you get there. make freinds with him and you got it made. and have fun

[TripleSticks]

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You are in a 2 man "crew" with almost double the rest time than 121 stipulates. I've done 75hr weeks. I'll concede it's not ideal, but sometimes situations dictate otherwise.

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liebhabe....

Just a few things to think about.

People here do the hard core time building quite often. It's definitely doable but, unlike your statement above, you are not resting with the 2 man crew. FAR's stipulate that for you both to legally log pic time, one pilot must be under the hood. If you are to encounter actual instrument conditions along the way then only the pilot at the controls can log the time because you are no longer in a required 2 pilot operation. Another thing about resting. The seats in our Duchesses are so uncomfortable I can't imagine ever feeling like you're relaxed/rested.

The second thing to think about is Florida summer weather. If you think you are going to come here and fly every day for 2 weeks straight you are sorely mistaken. The summer weather in florida is such that there are convective sigmets covering the entire peninsula almost every day. While some larger aircraft fight these quite often. It is unwise to do so in a light twin with no radar capability. ATC is very capable down here but, as you well know, it is not their job to keep you out of level 5 thunderstorms. To speak to the reality of this. There have been 2 fatal plane crashes due to weather in the last 2 weeks.

Third is airplane availability. The Aviator planes are pretty well maintained but anyone here can tell you that at any given time 75% of the fleet can be down for maint. The planes never stop flying here. Duchesses go in for their 100hr's every 8-10 days. That's not including everything else that routinely breaks on a 30 year old plane. You will miss a couple flights. That's just the reality of it all.

My last comment is a personal one. Take it for only that. It is my personal opinion that flying 10 hours a night for many consequative nights is dangerous and irresponsible. Even in nice weather. I think you would be much better off trading money for safety. I'll stop there because I'm not trying to preach. I just wanted to express my feelings.

Good luck and be safe.

John

[BrettInLJ]

My point exactly.

If you are logging PIC, there are obviously some things you should be paying attention to, therefore you should not consider it "resting."

[liebhabe]

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If you are logging PIC, there are obviously some things you should be paying attention to, therefore you should not consider it "resting."

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Unless I'm mistaken, Florida has 24-hour days like everywhere else in the country, therefore 24-10=14. That's my math for rest time. Why would anyone count time in the plane as rest?

When talking about crews, do you think that Skywest, or ASA counts the PNF as rest time? Look at your logic.

And for all the naysayers out there, just about everyone I've talked to who's attended Aviator says 10-hour days timebuilding is the norm.

[TripleSticks]

I've been here a little less than 2 years and I can tell ya that it's not the norm. But it is done. People don't usually do a lot of 10 hour days in a row but the definitely do them. Actually. It would be 10 hour nights. The time building is done at night (starting at about 6-8pm) since the planes are used for training all day. Sometimes timebuilders get the planes during the day on the weekends.

I've seen a lot of 6-8 hour nights in a row. I did a couple of those but I wasn't interested in getting hours fast like you are. I did my timebuilding as oppportunity to travel, meet friends, get a decent meal somewhere other than here, see places I wanted to see. That kinda stuff.

I've expressed my feelings about lots of super long days in a row so i'll leave those out.

But.... there's anothing thing you might want to check out. Sometimes Mike gives timebuilders a plane for an entire week. It doesn't happen very often but I can think of a handfull of times that It's happened since I have been here. If you were able to find a timebuilder who wanted to take the plane and bolt all over the country for the week then you might be able to do that.

There's a couple problems with that idea though One is gas money. Since (it sounded like) money is a main motivation this might not be a viable option. Mike is reimbursing $1.50/gallon as of last week(I did a trip to atlanta and had to put some gas in). This number changes pretty much every week because the cost of gas changes. You would also have to find someone who wanted to do it with you. The people who have done it in the past came down as a pair.

The other prob is getting the plane. Mike might not be so quick to give one up because there's a lot of students here right now. But ya never know if you don't ask. He's given me planes for 3 and 4 days at a time and I wasn't flying them all over the place. i just wanted to go to key west and party.

Yet another problem with that is the pain in the ass it would be if the plane broke down somewhere in Kansas. I have no idea what you would do in that case.

And one more suggestion. Even if you're only doing 2 hour flights per night. Bring a little cushion to sit on. Trust me. Just do it.

later,
j

[greaper007]

Where are you coming from? What sort of work are you doing right now? Just curious. Also, I'm about to take my instrument ride so I'll be time building very soon. I might be able to do one or two sessions with you. However, I'm not intrested in doing 10 hours a night.

[BrettInLJ]

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There's a couple problems with that idea though One is gas money. Since (it sounded like) money is a main motivation this might not be a viable option. Mike is reimbursing $1.50/gallon as of last week(I did a trip to atlanta and had to put some gas in). This number changes pretty much every week because the cost of gas changes. You would also have to find someone who wanted to do it with you. The people who have done it in the past came down as a pair.


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$1.50 a gallon!!! So all those prices quoted are based on this price for gas? That is absolutely ridiculous. I cannot find it for under $3 a gallon anywhere. Correct me if I am wrong, but you are saying that if I go on a cross country in the 100-hour time building program, I will be shelling out half the price for fuel?

[Cactus_Cutter]

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$1.50 a gallon!!! So all those prices quoted are based on this price for gas? That is absolutely ridiculous. I cannot find it for under $3 a gallon anywhere. Correct me if I am wrong, but you are saying that if I go on a cross country in the 100-hour time building program, I will be shelling out half the price for fuel?

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No, only if you want to fly out of range of the school you will have to pay extra for gas. If you stay within the locale of the school's gas truck you don't have to pay anything extra.

[BrettInLJ]

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$1.50 a gallon!!! So all those prices quoted are based on this price for gas? That is absolutely ridiculous. I cannot find it for under $3 a gallon anywhere. Correct me if I am wrong, but you are saying that if I go on a cross country in the 100-hour time building program, I will be shelling out half the price for fuel?

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No, only if you want to fly out of range of the school you will have to pay extra for gas. If you stay within the locale of the school's gas truck you don't have to pay anything extra.

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I can understand reimbursing what THEY pay for gas, but I'm sure its not $1.50. That is gouging in my opinion. My FBO has a policy that they reimburse up to the amount per gallon that they pay at the field, which is $3.35 right now I believe.

[TripleSticks]

As stated above. If you stay in range of the school the plane rental is wet. Duchesses have a pretty good range. Easily getting 5-6 hours if you remember to lean the mixture. It's surprizing how many people forget that.

The reimbursement price for fuel is for when you go outside the range of the aircraft and have to fuel up at market prices. Mike has a very nice price break on fuel. My understanding of that break is because he doesn't sell to the public (tax break of some kind) and he buys fuel in bulk. I was told by a maint guy a few weeks ago that we use well over 10,000 gallons of fuel a week. If you do the math it's easily doable so I have no reason to doubt it. But I can't confirm it either.

j

[Cactus_Cutter]

If you can find a light twin that rents for less than $130.00 per hour ($65.00 per person) WET in the Los Angeles area please let me know…

[Galil]

OMFG!!!!!

John Tinsley preaching about safety.

ROFLMFAO!!!

That made muh day.

[TripleSticks]

why is that???? cause i'm the only one who won't break the rules?