Multi Commercial

[BrianNC]

When flight training at Ari, do you generally get the commercial multi first and then do the single as an add-on, or do the single first? I already have an instrument rating.

This question is being asked as if I were doing the 200 hour multi course that includes all the ratings except private.

[manolo1492]

That sounds about right, everybody does the commercial multi first and then the single as an add-on in the C-172, or the arrow if your a VA guy.

[maverick2]

Why the arrow for the VA guys?

[manolo1492]

Just the way the course was approved, probably to make it harder for us veterans . The school is in the process of getting that switched to the C-172.

[kailuaboy]

Im VA and I wish I did the Comm single checkride in the arrow.... i had to do it in the cessna cause the arrow wasnt available. Did 1hr before my checkride to get used to the cessna again. Still passed but barely.
The Arrow is MUCH better than the cessna.

Ivan

[maverick2]

So if Ari is going to switch the Arrow to the 172 for the commercial single, would the costs be cheaper? Currently, what plane does Ari use for private? Thanks.

anthony

[BrianNC]

[ QUOTE ]
So if Ari is going to switch the Arrow to the 172 for the commercial single, would the costs be cheaper? Currently, what plane does Ari use for private? Thanks.

anthony

[/ QUOTE ]

But if he did that, wouldn't that be less multi time? Currently it is my understanding that you do all traiing for commercial in the multi, which includes the two short cross contries and the long cross country and take that checkride in the multi. Then you just do a single add on in the 172 which is basically the manuevers, no complex plane needed because that part of it was done in the multi.

Why would anyone want to do all the training for commercial in a single except to save a little money? Aren't you robbing yourself of all that extra multi time?

[maverick2]

[ QUOTE ]


Why would anyone want to do all the training for commercial in a single except to save a little money? Aren't you robbing yourself of all that extra multi time?

[/ QUOTE ]

Hi, my name is Anthony. I'm only a newbie to aviation training. I only have .5 hrs and thats from a disco flight. I didn't say I want to do all the commercial training in a single. I just wanted to know if the whole VA course would be cheaper due to the single add on being a Cessna 172 instead of an Arrow. I understand multi-time is the key to bigger and better things. I don't know the requirement pertaining to flight hours to get a single add on after obtaining a commercial (amel) license, but if you or anyone else know, please inform me.

[kailuaboy]

The requirement to get a single commercial addon is only 3 hrs within the last 60 days with an authorized instructor.
No CC requirements, no time requirements, you should have all that done for your initial Comm certificate.

Ivan

[fly_by]

mmm, no...

61.63 (c)(4) Need not to meet the specified training time requirements prescribed by this part ....

Meaning, if you can do it in .5 thats enough.

Fdo.

[hattrick]

thanks fdo i was wondering when someone was going to correct that just didnt have time to myself. so are you out of fpr now that you got the atp

[kailuaboy]

really, ok, i didnt know that, i thought you still had to do 3hrs of training for that certificate or rating within 60 days. Ill have to read that.

huh, just read it, so that 3 hrs only applies to the initial?

Ivan

[lowery21]

Fez likes men. Mexico is dirty.

[kailuaboy]

lol

[TripleSticks]

I'm not sure I aggree with that.

61.63c(4) says... "Need not meet the specific training time prescribed by this part that apply to the pilot certificate for the aircraft class rating sought unless (blaa blaa blaa about balloons and lighter than air)."

It does not specifically say that it relieves you from the prerequisites for a practical test reqt's of 61.39a(6) which says... "get an endorsement stating you have had 3 hours of training in 60 days (abridged)".

Unless you consider it to relieve those prerequisites for a practical test reqts because of 61.39a(3) which states.... "Have satisfactorly accomplished the required training and obtained the aeronautical experience prescribed in this part for the cert or rating sought."

I thought that 61.63c(4) was (related to the commercial) relieving you of the reqt to fly the class specific hours for an add on. For instance. If you have the multi commercial already, working on the single commercial, you would not be required to fly the solo cross country because you have already done that in a multi.

It's kind of a mute point because you're gonna need a little instruction to get you ready for the test anyway. Especially if you haven't flown a cessna in a few months.

The only thing it effects is whether you get an endorsement in your log book. I have one in mine for the private and commercial add on. Might not have needed it but it's there.

j

[fly_by]

then again, no...

If you read the endorsement, I does not state that you need 3 hrs. The only two endorsements that you need is 61.63, 61.39.

Fdo.

[TripleSticks]

That's right. 61.39 just states that you have to have the required training time. Not that the time has to be at least 3 hours.

My bad.

I'm getting my fars all mixed up. I bet that has never happened to anyone before. hahaha.

j