100 Hour Time Building Question/Night Flight

[BrianNC]

I noticed in a few posts about time building being at night. Is that the case? Could someone elaborate for me?

Thanks!

[GatorFC]

For the most part, planes are reserved for instruction during the day. However, its not uncommon for timebuilders to fly during the day as long as its cleared with Mike or dispatch beforehand.

[Cóndor]

IMHO it's the best time to fly . . . there's less traffic, there's more friendly ATC and FBO staff, and it keeps IFR skills sharp. Most of the time-building hours that I did there were logged at night.

[BrianNC]

Sounds good to me. Not to mention you bang out that 100hrs. night flight for the 135 requirements.

Did you do the 100 hrs? That was what I was interested in. The 100 hours that includes the multi engine and commercial multi engine. Of course some of that would be instruction so it wouldn't be a total of 100 hrs. night.

[BrianNC]

One other question. I am assuming that the time is divided with another person under the hood. 50 hours actual PIC and 50 hours safety pilot PIC. That means that no flights could be done in actual IMC.

With the weather, how long does that take since all of it has to be VFR?

[RPM]

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One other question. I am assuming that the time is divided with another person under the hood. 50 hours actual PIC and 50 hours safety pilot PIC. That means that no flights could be done in actual IMC.

With the weather, how long does that take since all of it has to be VFR?

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You can fly in IMC all you want....the non flying pilot just can't log the safety pilot time while your in actual....at least their not "suppose" to.

[BrianNC]

I realize that. But then that skews the cost for Aviator if more that 100 hours are flown in the plane to get each person their 100 hours, correct? See where I am coming from?

[Luftpost]

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I realize that. But then that skews the cost for Aviator if more that 100 hours are flown in the plane to get each person their 100 hours, correct? See where I am coming from?

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Details, details.....do you work for the IRS?

[BrianNC]

I am an information hungry pilot. I want to know exactly how it works.

It is a money question. As in "are you telling me I can get acutal IFR and not have to pay any more money since the other pilot can't count the time?" Or "Am I going to get beat out of some time because I am in the right seat when someone else is flying actual IFR?"

Capice?

[RPM]

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I am an information hungry pilot. I want to know exactly how it works.

It is a money question. As in "are you telling me I can get acutal IFR and not have to pay any more money since the other pilot can't count the time?" Or "Am I going to get beat out of some time because I am in the right seat when someone else is flying actual IFR?"

Capice?

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That logging actual thing is just something you will have to work out with the person you are flying with. Usually you can make the times work out pretty evenly since you generally switch off every flying leg.

[BrianNC]

I guess the point I am making is if one is flying actual then the other is getting cheated out of some time. How is that made up without paying extra money to fly more for the other person to get their time?

[RPM]

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I guess the point I am making is if one is flying actual then the other is getting cheated out of some time. How is that made up without paying extra money to fly more for the other person to get their time?

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You fly only 100 hrs for the quoted price...you will get exactly 100 hrs total time , PIC time will vary with weather conditions and the amount of landings made...thats why I say the logging of PIC time is something you will have to "work out" with your timebuilding partner.

I've flown with and spoken to a lot of timebuilders here from all over the country and this is what i've seen happen (I'm not saying its OK to do this, but this is what "some" people do).....
Some people here fly IMC and don't log it as actual, they just log it as a VFR flight with safety pilot....some people fly in IMC and log the "actual" time and split it with the other pilot at the end of the night to make it even....some people will make 20 landings a night but only actually log 1 or 2 landings so they can maximize the PIC time they can log......now i'm not saying thats legal or the right thing to do, but that is what a lot of timebuilders do to make things "work out". The only other option is to log the "actual" and flight time properly and take the loss of PIC time when your not flying or acting as safety pilot. If your not comfortable with that, just fly in VFR conditions and you don't have to worry about it. Nobody here is going to force you to fly in IMC, make you fly with someone you don't feel comfortable with or tell you how to fill out your logbook at the end of the night.....thats your own personal business and you "should" know what is right or wrong.

[BrianNC]

Thanks RPM.

[Tram]

How does the time building work? Do you just show up with another guy and they check you both out in the plane and let you go up?

I guess what I'm asking is - could me and a friend come down and do it?

[Cactus_Cutter]

You can show up alone or with another Multi-IFR rated pilot. Either way you will have to do a 5hr checkout in the planes before you can be released to time build. If you show up alone then dispatch will put you in the pool with other time builders or pro-students building time for their commercial.

Be prepared to do most of your time building at night with the exception on weekends you might be able to get a plane during the day or if you plan to do a multi-day true x-c.

Also the Bahamas are open for any of your time building experiences!

[kailuaboy]

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Do you just show up with another guy and they check you both out in the plane and let you go up?

Could me and a friend come down and do it?

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Yes, both need to have a 5hr checkout before you both go timebuilding. Yes, you both can time build together.

I picked up two people that came down together last week and the next day, did their 5hr checkouts, then the following day, they took one of the planes for a week. They went all over central and eastern US. They completed 41 hrs that week. They are comming back in the following weeks to finish up.
So, yes, if you both wanna take a plane for a week, just talk to Mike or James about it and they'll hook you up. I recommend 6628Y, it has GPS and a good plane.... although the Autopilot works in 6638D.

Ivan