Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am

Lima_Charlie · May 6th, 2005, 18:36

Here is the latest on the Key Bank loan saga... The following is quoted from a letter that was sent out from the CEO to all prospective students.

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As you may have heard, Key Bank has modified their lending practices to only support Title IV Certified schools effective May 31, 2005. This will indeed affect many flight schools throughout the country. Pan Am is currently unaffected by this decision. Key Bank has agreed to make loans available to Pan Am students at least through September 30, 2005, to allow time for Pan Am to complete the Title IV Certification process.

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This is very good news for those considering doing their training at Pan Am!!!

rausda27 · May 6th, 2005, 18:44

Yeah, great news for those that want to get $80,000 in debt...

Lima_Charlie · May 6th, 2005, 18:52

As well as those that want to get high quality training in a professional environment accomplished in a short amount of time!!

kellwolf · May 6th, 2005, 18:57

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As well as those that want to get high quality training in a professional environment accomplished in a short amount of time!!

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Nice party line. $80K is still $80K. There's more ways to get high quality training in a professional environment in a short amount of time. Hell, I'm doing it here at Skymates, I just don't wear epaulets.

Lima_Charlie · May 6th, 2005, 19:45

I think that is great... for you. And around, and around we go...

SmitteyB · May 6th, 2005, 20:41

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$80K is still $80K. There's more ways to get high quality training in a professional environment in a short amount of time. Hell, I'm doing it here at Skymates, I just don't wear epaulets.

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HaHa. I love that post.

Key Bank loves you PanAmer's. The more you borrow, the more that lines their pockets.

Lima, You're making it sound like because other schools don't have Tennis courts, and beach volleyball courts right next to the ramp that their school is somehow inferior. That is so farfetched...you would be a great Pan Am recruiter, except YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT. I'll admit your building is immaculate but did you ever notice that Ari's guys right across the field can pass checkrides too? Uh-oh...this might mean that you don't need to play tennis or look at the 430 to fly an airplane...someone tell the admins over there...

I was talking with a PanAm student in the Tiki just last week, and he said that Ari has had more enrollments in the past 2 months than PanAm has the last year. I wouldn't be surprised if that was true...but it's hard for me to realize how we can get more students without the Tennis Courts?? It's all about money, and it will come back to bite PA.

Lima_Charlie · May 6th, 2005, 20:57

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$80K is still $80K. There's more ways to get high quality training in a professional environment in a short amount of time. Hell, I'm doing it here at Skymates, I just don't wear epaulets.

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HaHa. I love that post.

Key Bank loves you PanAmer's. The more you borrow, the more that lines their pockets.

Lima, You're making it sound like because other schools don't have Tennis courts, and beach volleyball courts right next to the ramp that their school is somehow inferior. That is so farfetched...you would be a great Pan Am recruiter, except YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT. I'll admit your building is immaculate but did you ever notice that Ari's guys right across the field can pass checkrides too? Uh-oh...this might mean that you don't need to play tennis or look at the 430 to fly an airplane...someone tell the admins over there...

I was talking with a PanAm student in the Tiki just last week, and he said that Ari has had more enrollments in the past 2 months than PanAm has the last year. I wouldn't be surprised if that was true...but it's hard for me to realize how we can get more students without the Tennis Courts?? It's all about money, and it will come back to bite PA.

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Since I haven't the time to surf back through my past posts, please point out where I claim that it is the tennis courts and swimming pools that make us so great?

Smitty, you really need to learn when to keep you mouth shut, and to know the proper time to pick a fight. I couldn't care less who you have spoken to in the Tiki, nor do I care what opinion you have of Pan Am. The fact is, I am very happy with MY training. I am very happy with the direction the school is going. I am happy with our current leadership. I am excited to know that in about 115 hours, I could interview, and be perhaps be hired into my first 121 job. So, unless you can quote where I have said anything other than that, DO NOT put words in my mouth.

Sprint100 · May 7th, 2005, 00:10

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I think that is great... for you. And around, and around we go...

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People just wanna express their own view and be [4 letter expletive] about other point of views. Some like Pan Am some don't, all in all so what. No one is saying "Hey [insert name here] finance this for me". They are spending there own money. This is like arguing over PFJ, it just goes round and round like you said. At least we find an issue poisoning the industry talking about PFJ. It's not just "my opinion is better than yours", etc.
It's like locker room talk, those with the same opinion complement each other on the size of his ****!!!!!

Lima Charlie is one cool cat and wouldn't be defending a schmuck of a school, no matter how much it costs.

Mavmb · May 9th, 2005, 00:32

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$80K is still $80K. There's more ways to get high quality training in a professional environment in a short amount of time. Hell, I'm doing it here at Skymates, I just don't wear epaulets.

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HaHa. I love that post.

Key Bank loves you PanAmer's. The more you borrow, the more that lines their pockets.

Lima, You're making it sound like because other schools don't have Tennis courts, and beach volleyball courts right next to the ramp that their school is somehow inferior. That is so farfetched...you would be a great Pan Am recruiter, except YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT. I'll admit your building is immaculate but did you ever notice that Ari's guys right across the field can pass checkrides too? Uh-oh...this might mean that you don't need to play tennis or look at the 430 to fly an airplane...someone tell the admins over there...

I was talking with a PanAm student in the Tiki just last week, and he said that Ari has had more enrollments in the past 2 months than PanAm has the last year. I wouldn't be surprised if that was true...but it's hard for me to realize how we can get more students without the Tennis Courts?? It's all about money, and it will come back to bite PA.

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Since I haven't the time to surf back through my past posts, please point out where I claim that it is the tennis courts and swimming pools that make us so great?

Smitty, you really need to learn when to keep you mouth shut, and to know the proper time to pick a fight. I couldn't care less who you have spoken to in the Tiki, nor do I care what opinion you have of Pan Am. The fact is, I am very happy with MY training. I am very happy with the direction the school is going. I am happy with our current leadership. I am excited to know that in about 115 hours, I could interview, and be perhaps be hired into my first 121 job. So, unless you can quote where I have said anything other than that, DO NOT put words in my mouth.

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How many hours do you think it will take you to get a 121 job Lima Charlie? How much is Keybank giving out now, are they still doing the 100,000 dollar loans?

project7 · May 9th, 2005, 00:47

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I am excited to know that in about 115 hours, I could interview

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Could or will? Just curious.

Lima_Charlie · May 9th, 2005, 01:48

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I am excited to know that in about 115 hours, I could interview

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Could or will? Just curious.

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Probably more along the lines of "could". I have spent too much time on the East coast, so if I can avoid living out there, I will. Alot will depend on the options that are available when the time comes.

JRiggle · May 10th, 2005, 00:48

Lima Charlie, I am just curious about your total time and how much of that is multi?

Lima_Charlie · May 10th, 2005, 01:12

For the record, I am at 385 w/ 89 multi... I should have over 100 multi, but decided to fly a shorter "route program" and build the time as an MEI rather than pay for it on the front end.

project7 · May 10th, 2005, 01:42

Who would you interview with at 500 hours? Expressjet?

Lima_Charlie · May 10th, 2005, 12:50

Piedmont is hiriing PA guys/gals at 500/100...

dakovich · May 11th, 2005, 15:37

what about former PA guys

they actually allowed you to do a shortened multi. route program?????????? they would have never allowed that when i was there (but i did managed to miss the 100 multi mark by about 1.3 hours)

Lima_Charlie · May 11th, 2005, 15:49

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what about former PA guys

they actually allowed you to do a shortened multi. route program?????????? they would have never allowed that when i was there (but i did managed to miss the 100 multi mark by about 1.3 hours)

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"They" are much more flexible than they used to be... You need time off, you get it. You need to slow down, you can. They just make sure that you realize that it will only delay your progess, most likely cost more in the long run. Losing momentum can be pretty expensive.

little_cricket · May 11th, 2005, 19:42

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"They" are much more flexible than they used to be... You need time off, you get it. You need to slow down, you can. They just make sure that you realize that it will only delay your progess, most likely cost more in the long run. Losing momentum can be pretty expensive.

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A kinder, gentler Pan Am??? Hmmm....

Lima_Charlie · May 11th, 2005, 19:57

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"They" are much more flexible than they used to be... You need time off, you get it. You need to slow down, you can. They just make sure that you realize that it will only delay your progess, most likely cost more in the long run. Losing momentum can be pretty expensive.

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A kinder, gentler Pan Am??? Hmmm....

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I suppose that is definitely one way to put it!

dakovich · May 12th, 2005, 20:10

thats good to hear. hell, they gave me crap for going home when my grandmother died during my training. i just couldn't believe it when that happened. it was little things like that back then that just made you feel like all they cared about was your money. so i'm glad to see things change a bit.

Lima_Charlie · May 15th, 2005, 18:12

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thats good to hear. hell, they gave me crap for going home when my grandmother died during my training. i just couldn't believe it when that happened. it was little things like that back then that just made you feel like all they cared about was your money. so i'm glad to see things change a bit.

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Yeah, I have heard some pretty amazing horror stories about the past regime. I am very glad that NO ONE is left at PA from that "dark" period. The current people seem very interested in everyone's success, and being able to deliver on what they promise.

MikeD · May 15th, 2005, 18:57

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thats good to hear. hell, they gave me crap for going home when my grandmother died during my training. i just couldn't believe it when that happened. it was little things like that back then that just made you feel like all they cared about was your money. so i'm glad to see things change a bit.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, I have heard some pretty amazing horror stories about the past regime. I am very glad that NO ONE is left at PA from that "dark" period. The current people seem very interested in everyone's success, and being able to deliver on what they promise.

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Was there recent "regime change" at PAIFA?

May 6th, 2005, 18:36	#1
Lima_Charlie Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 563	Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am Here is the latest on the Key Bank loan saga... The following is quoted from a letter that was sent out from the CEO to all prospective students. [ QUOTE ] As you may have heard, Key Bank has modified their lending practices to only support Title IV Certified schools effective May 31, 2005. This will indeed affect many flight schools throughout the country. Pan Am is currently unaffected by this decision. Key Bank has agreed to make loans available to Pan Am students at least through September 30, 2005, to allow time for Pan Am to complete the Title IV Certification process. [/ QUOTE ] This is very good news for those considering doing their training at Pan Am!!!

May 6th, 2005, 18:44	#2
rausda27 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,275	Re: Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am Yeah, great news for those that want to get $80,000 in debt...

May 6th, 2005, 18:52	#3
Lima_Charlie Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 563	Re: Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am As well as those that want to get high quality training in a professional environment accomplished in a short amount of time!!

May 6th, 2005, 18:57	#4
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,230	Re: Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am [ QUOTE ] As well as those that want to get high quality training in a professional environment accomplished in a short amount of time!! [/ QUOTE ] Nice party line. $80K is still $80K. There's more ways to get high quality training in a professional environment in a short amount of time. Hell, I'm doing it here at Skymates, I just don't wear epaulets.

May 6th, 2005, 19:45	#5
Lima_Charlie Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 563	Re: Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am I think that is great... for you. And around, and around we go...

May 6th, 2005, 20:41	#6
SmitteyB Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 1,974	Re: Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am [ QUOTE ] $80K is still $80K. There's more ways to get high quality training in a professional environment in a short amount of time. Hell, I'm doing it here at Skymates, I just don't wear epaulets. [/ QUOTE ] HaHa. I love that post. Key Bank loves you PanAmer's. The more you borrow, the more that lines their pockets. Lima, You're making it sound like because other schools don't have Tennis courts, and beach volleyball courts right next to the ramp that their school is somehow inferior. That is so farfetched...you would be a great Pan Am recruiter, except YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT. I'll admit your building is immaculate but did you ever notice that Ari's guys right across the field can pass checkrides too? Uh-oh...this might mean that you don't need to play tennis or look at the 430 to fly an airplane...someone tell the admins over there... I was talking with a PanAm student in the Tiki just last week, and he said that Ari has had more enrollments in the past 2 months than PanAm has the last year. I wouldn't be surprised if that was true...but it's hard for me to realize how we can get more students without the Tennis Courts?? It's all about money, and it will come back to bite PA.

May 6th, 2005, 20:57	#7
Lima_Charlie Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 563	Re: Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] $80K is still $80K. There's more ways to get high quality training in a professional environment in a short amount of time. Hell, I'm doing it here at Skymates, I just don't wear epaulets. [/ QUOTE ] HaHa. I love that post. Key Bank loves you PanAmer's. The more you borrow, the more that lines their pockets. Lima, You're making it sound like because other schools don't have Tennis courts, and beach volleyball courts right next to the ramp that their school is somehow inferior. That is so farfetched...you would be a great Pan Am recruiter, except YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT. I'll admit your building is immaculate but did you ever notice that Ari's guys right across the field can pass checkrides too? Uh-oh...this might mean that you don't need to play tennis or look at the 430 to fly an airplane...someone tell the admins over there... I was talking with a PanAm student in the Tiki just last week, and he said that Ari has had more enrollments in the past 2 months than PanAm has the last year. I wouldn't be surprised if that was true...but it's hard for me to realize how we can get more students without the Tennis Courts?? It's all about money, and it will come back to bite PA. [/ QUOTE ] Since I haven't the time to surf back through my past posts, please point out where I claim that it is the tennis courts and swimming pools that make us so great? Smitty, you really need to learn when to keep you mouth shut, and to know the proper time to pick a fight. I couldn't care less who you have spoken to in the Tiki, nor do I care what opinion you have of Pan Am. The fact is, I am very happy with MY training. I am very happy with the direction the school is going. I am happy with our current leadership. I am excited to know that in about 115 hours, I could interview, and be perhaps be hired into my first 121 job. So, unless you can quote where I have said anything other than that, DO NOT put words in my mouth.

May 7th, 2005, 00:10	#8
Sprint100 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In my Cozy garage Posts: 6,272	Re: Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am [ QUOTE ] I think that is great... for you. And around, and around we go... [/ QUOTE ] People just wanna express their own view and be [4 letter expletive] about other point of views. Some like Pan Am some don't, all in all so what. No one is saying "Hey [insert name here] finance this for me". They are spending there own money. This is like arguing over PFJ, it just goes round and round like you said. At least we find an issue poisoning the industry talking about PFJ. It's not just "my opinion is better than yours", etc. It's like locker room talk, those with the same opinion complement each other on the size of his ****!!!!! Lima Charlie is one cool cat and wouldn't be defending a schmuck of a school, no matter how much it costs.

May 9th, 2005, 00:32	#9
Mavmb Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 2,169	Re: Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] $80K is still $80K. There's more ways to get high quality training in a professional environment in a short amount of time. Hell, I'm doing it here at Skymates, I just don't wear epaulets. [/ QUOTE ] HaHa. I love that post. Key Bank loves you PanAmer's. The more you borrow, the more that lines their pockets. Lima, You're making it sound like because other schools don't have Tennis courts, and beach volleyball courts right next to the ramp that their school is somehow inferior. That is so farfetched...you would be a great Pan Am recruiter, except YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT. I'll admit your building is immaculate but did you ever notice that Ari's guys right across the field can pass checkrides too? Uh-oh...this might mean that you don't need to play tennis or look at the 430 to fly an airplane...someone tell the admins over there... I was talking with a PanAm student in the Tiki just last week, and he said that Ari has had more enrollments in the past 2 months than PanAm has the last year. I wouldn't be surprised if that was true...but it's hard for me to realize how we can get more students without the Tennis Courts?? It's all about money, and it will come back to bite PA. [/ QUOTE ] Since I haven't the time to surf back through my past posts, please point out where I claim that it is the tennis courts and swimming pools that make us so great? Smitty, you really need to learn when to keep you mouth shut, and to know the proper time to pick a fight. I couldn't care less who you have spoken to in the Tiki, nor do I care what opinion you have of Pan Am. The fact is, I am very happy with MY training. I am very happy with the direction the school is going. I am happy with our current leadership. I am excited to know that in about 115 hours, I could interview, and be perhaps be hired into my first 121 job. So, unless you can quote where I have said anything other than that, DO NOT put words in my mouth. [/ QUOTE ] How many hours do you think it will take you to get a 121 job Lima Charlie? How much is Keybank giving out now, are they still doing the 100,000 dollar loans?

May 9th, 2005, 00:47	#10
project7 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 430	Re: Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am [ QUOTE ] I am excited to know that in about 115 hours, I could interview [/ QUOTE ] Could or will? Just curious.

May 9th, 2005, 01:48	#11
Lima_Charlie Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 563	Re: Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I am excited to know that in about 115 hours, I could interview [/ QUOTE ] Could or will? Just curious. [/ QUOTE ] Probably more along the lines of "could". I have spent too much time on the East coast, so if I can avoid living out there, I will. Alot will depend on the options that are available when the time comes.

May 10th, 2005, 00:48	#12
JRiggle Newbie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 11	Re: Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am Lima Charlie, I am just curious about your total time and how much of that is multi?

May 10th, 2005, 01:12	#13
Lima_Charlie Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 563	Re: Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am For the record, I am at 385 w/ 89 multi... I should have over 100 multi, but decided to fly a shorter "route program" and build the time as an MEI rather than pay for it on the front end.

May 10th, 2005, 01:42	#14
project7 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 430	Re: Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am Who would you interview with at 500 hours? Expressjet?

May 10th, 2005, 12:50	#15
Lima_Charlie Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 563	Re: Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am Piedmont is hiriing PA guys/gals at 500/100...

May 11th, 2005, 15:37	#16
dakovich Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,043	Re: Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am what about former PA guys they actually allowed you to do a shortened multi. route program?????????? they would have never allowed that when i was there (but i did managed to miss the 100 multi mark by about 1.3 hours)

May 11th, 2005, 15:49	#17
Lima_Charlie Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 563	Re: Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am [ QUOTE ] what about former PA guys they actually allowed you to do a shortened multi. route program?????????? they would have never allowed that when i was there (but i did managed to miss the 100 multi mark by about 1.3 hours) [/ QUOTE ] "They" are much more flexible than they used to be... You need time off, you get it. You need to slow down, you can. They just make sure that you realize that it will only delay your progess, most likely cost more in the long run. Losing momentum can be pretty expensive.

May 11th, 2005, 19:42	#18
little_cricket Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 140	Re: Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am [ QUOTE ] "They" are much more flexible than they used to be... You need time off, you get it. You need to slow down, you can. They just make sure that you realize that it will only delay your progess, most likely cost more in the long run. Losing momentum can be pretty expensive. [/ QUOTE ] A kinder, gentler Pan Am??? Hmmm....

May 11th, 2005, 19:57	#19
Lima_Charlie Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 563	Re: Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "They" are much more flexible than they used to be... You need time off, you get it. You need to slow down, you can. They just make sure that you realize that it will only delay your progess, most likely cost more in the long run. Losing momentum can be pretty expensive. [/ QUOTE ] A kinder, gentler Pan Am??? Hmmm.... [/ QUOTE ] I suppose that is definitely one way to put it!

May 12th, 2005, 20:10	#20
dakovich Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,043	Re: Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am thats good to hear. hell, they gave me crap for going home when my grandmother died during my training. i just couldn't believe it when that happened. it was little things like that back then that just made you feel like all they cared about was your money. so i'm glad to see things change a bit.

May 15th, 2005, 18:12	#21
Lima_Charlie Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 563	Re: Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am [ QUOTE ] thats good to hear. hell, they gave me crap for going home when my grandmother died during my training. i just couldn't believe it when that happened. it was little things like that back then that just made you feel like all they cared about was your money. so i'm glad to see things change a bit. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I have heard some pretty amazing horror stories about the past regime. I am very glad that NO ONE is left at PA from that "dark" period. The current people seem very interested in everyone's success, and being able to deliver on what they promise.

May 15th, 2005, 18:57	#22
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Good News about Key Bank and Pan Am [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] thats good to hear. hell, they gave me crap for going home when my grandmother died during my training. i just couldn't believe it when that happened. it was little things like that back then that just made you feel like all they cared about was your money. so i'm glad to see things change a bit. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I have heard some pretty amazing horror stories about the past regime. I am very glad that NO ONE is left at PA from that "dark" period. The current people seem very interested in everyone's success, and being able to deliver on what they promise. [/ QUOTE ] Was there recent "regime change" at PAIFA?

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